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Mike and Mel

One actually provides positive and constructive criticism to help these kids get better while the other one threw the players under the bus after suffering one of the most embarrassing losses in program history
 
DBT said:
I think we all agree Mac pulled us out of our nose dive and got us flying sort of level. We’ve now seen 4 games with Mel.

What do you guys see as the big differences between the two coaches and their staffs?
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2-7 in conference play is flying level? Get real.
 
DBT said:
I think we all agree Mac pulled us out of our nose dive and got us flying sort of level. We’ve now seen 4 games with Mel.

What do you guys see as the big differences between the two coaches and their staffs?
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Biggest difference is leadership, accountability, drawing all to a common cause greater than themselves and communication. On and on and on and on.

Night and day.
Shorts and floppy hat.
Dude and dunce.
 
hawg1 said:
Biggest difference is leadership, accountability, drawing all to a common cause greater than themselves and communication. On and on and on and on.

Night and day.
Shorts and floppy hat.
Dude and dunce.
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I watched this short series last night and the mindset that Tucker has brought to CU has some shades of Saban when he arrived at Bama. No, I'm not suggesting that Tucker is a few years away from turning CU into a football factory like Alabama, but you can hear a little Saban when Tucker speaks, IMO.
 
TSchekler said:
I watched this short series last night and the mindset that Tucker has brought to CU has some shades of Saban when he arrived at Bama. No, I'm not suggesting that Tucker is a few years away from turning CU into a football factory like Alabama, but you can hear a little Saban when Tucker speaks, IMO.
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They have similar principles. Both love to talk about teaching players how to

1) play at an elite level of perfirmance
2) doing it consistently
3) being accountable to self and teammates for both

Mel has been steeped in high-end leadership methods. Seems like a life long learner.

Thanks for clip.
 
hawg1 said:
2-7 in conference play is flying level? Get real.
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I don't think there's any doubt we had to move on from FHCMM after last year, but we're in a much better place now than we were the day he got here. Not sure Mel or a candidate with his resume looks at this job six years ago.

Uncle Luko said:
That wasn't the Toledo game, was it? I'll never forgive that peckerwood for that one or Kansas. Actually, take back the Kansas comment since it got his fake ass fired.
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blogs.denverpost.com

If Hawk can't bear to watch, that's OK with CU's Goodman

Much has been made on CU fan sites about CU coach Dan Hawkins not watching senior kicker Aric Goodman attempt a 40-yard field goal Saturday night.
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Might have been this game too
 
ahoelsken said:
I don't think there's any doubt we had to move on from FHCMM after last year, but we're in a much better place now than we were the day he got here. Not sure Mel or a candidate with his resume looks at this job six years ago.



blogs.denverpost.com

If Hawk can't bear to watch, that's OK with CU's Goodman

Much has been made on CU fan sites about CU coach Dan Hawkins not watching senior kicker Aric Goodman attempt a 40-yard field goal Saturday night.
blogs.denverpost.com blogs.denverpost.com

Might have been this game too
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Didn't Hawkins INSTRUCT Goodman to AIM for the goal posts??? Only way to prevent him from hitting them!
 
My favorite changes in the Mel Tucker era so far:
  1. No excuses. Shenault and Mustafa go down (among others) vs ASU and we still win. Contrast that with Macintyre blaming injuries for losses in his last season.
  2. Recruiting emphasis. You can argue with the results so far, but more effort is being spent on recruiting. Incentives in place too: our best recruiter (Chev) is rewarded for it with a promotion.
  3. Infrastructure emphasis. Bringing experience from SEC. GPS on players, emphasis on S&C, new hires for recruiting and graphic design.
  4. Shorts.
 
MM was generally content to follow the same game prep, practice, recruiting, etc that he learned from his dad.

In many ways, that's what we needed at the time he was hired: a return to a basic level of competence.

Mel relentlessly pursues any possible advantage he can get, and he's learned that from the best in the business right now.

As a random example, I read an interview with Mel when he talked about in game coaching. Not strategy, not game management, not play calling, but coaching players during the game. He said he learned it from Saban at Michigan State.

It takes a ton of effort, focus and drive on the part of the staff to actually coach players and help them get better during a game, but that's how they set an example for the team: we're not going to stop working, and neither can you.

It's also an interesting competitive advantage: you only get so many practice/contact hours with the players: you have to maximize all of them. This is also where I think you see what all the "analysts" do: they handle a lot of the in - game strategy and tactics that usually fall on the coaches, which frees the coaches up to, well coach
 
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MM deserves credit for turning a dumpster fire into a mediocre P5 program. He also gave us a special season.

I’m LOVING what I’m seeing so far from Mel, but I’m gonna pump the brakes on anointing him a bona fide home run hire. Let’s see how he finishes this season and especially how he does with his own players in his own system.
 
buffedup said:
MM deserves credit for turning a dumpster fire into a mediocre P5 program. He also gave us a special season.

I’m LOVING what I’m seeing so far from Mel, but I’m gonna pump the brakes on anointing him a bona fide home run hire. Let’s see how he finishes this season and especially how he does with his own players in his own system.
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Gotta get to a bowl TY because next year's OOC is tougher.
 
Our defense is giving away nearly 90 yards pg more than last year, and we're just 1 game into conference
2019 to date : 467 yards pg
2018 : 380 yards pg

Despite all the talk of a more powerful OL and running game, we are averaging the exact same number of yards per game @ 143 y pg.
 
hawg1 said:
2-7 in conference play is flying level? Get real.
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I said “sort of.” There was 2016 and we were a lot more competitive. Also, Mel is doing it mostly with McIntyre’s recruits. I acknowledge that the results were poor and that’s why I said “sort of level.”
 
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I liked McIntyre, and was kinda bummed when he got fired. What I realized a little later is that he had reached the height of his head coaching powers and potential in 2016, and that is why Rick George pulled the trigger and fired him. I think that we can all agree that the New Guy has a much higher potential upside as a head coach, in all aspects of the position.
 
1) Temperament - I hated McIntyre’s inability to control his emotions, both the temper tantrums and the crying. It struck me as self-indulgent. And Tucker seems to be nearly the opposite.

2) Emphasis on the trenches. Tucker has yet to score with too many highly rated recruits but he’s shown that if he can only get a 3* lineman, it will be a large 3* lineman.

3) Commitment to establishing a power running game. McIntyre ran the ball, but it feels different now. Less jet sweeps, RPO and sideline scampers. Mel wants to run north & south, right at the defense. I suspect this is more about the attitude it instills.

4) Staff - I get the sense Tucker would rather take a chance on young talent than a mediocre known commodity. Older coaches seemed like a security blanket for McIntyre. I can’t imagine why else he kept around Bernardi.
 
buffedup said:
MM deserves credit for turning a dumpster fire into a mediocre P5 program. He also gave us a special season.

I’m LOVING what I’m seeing so far from Mel, but I’m gonna pump the brakes on anointing him a bona fide home run hire. Let’s see how he finishes this season and especially how he does with his own players in his own system.
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This is the perfect summary.
 
Duck Dog said:
1) Temperament - I hated McIntyre’s inability to control his emotions, both the temper tantrums and the crying. It struck me as self-indulgent. And Tucker seems to be nearly the opposite.

2) Emphasis on the trenches. Tucker has yet to score with too many highly rated recruits but he’s shown that if he can only get a 3* lineman, it will be a large 3* lineman.

3) Commitment to establishing a power running game. McIntyre ran the ball, but it feels different now. Less jet sweeps, RPO and sideline scampers. Mel wants to run north & south, right at the defense. I suspect this is more about the attitude it instills.

4) Staff - I get the sense Tucker would rather take a chance on young talent than a mediocre known commodity. Older coaches seemed like a security blanket for McIntyre. I can’t imagine why else he kept around Bernardi.
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Can we borrow your checkbook for a few years? 😬
 
Agreed. Although I think this could be a potential home run hire under the circumstances.
 
ahoelsken said:
A&M is much better than NU.
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onealcd said:
Fresno is better than Air Force and @A&M in September is a hell of a lot harder than ****braska at home.
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Duff Man said:
2-1 should be the expectation, but next year's OOC schedule is significantly tougher.
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I mean, Fresno State is 1-2 this year with losses to Minnesota and USC and they didn’t exactly blow out Sac State. Nothing to be ashamed of, but that doesn’t scream significantly better than what we saw from Air Force, or what AF could end up being this year, particularly when we’re talking about how they will be in 2020.

I get that aTm is better than Nebraska, and it’s probably a game CU loses.

The context here is that they better make a bowl this year because next year is “so much harder”. Go 2-1 in OOC and it doesn’t matter if aTm is so much better than Nebraska.
 
I was with MacIntyre until the collapse against Oregon State. There was no recovering after that one.

Others have said that we'll look back and see him as a very important coach in CU history, and I think that's probably true. We needed someone like him at the time. This might sound ridiculous, but I think the fact that he never seemed like someone with particularly huge expectations really helped us. We weren't going to beat anyone during 2013-2015... those seasons had terrible records, but I think he was really able to patiently draw out some incremental successes that coaches too focused on getting the big win may have missed. I guess my argument is that the guy was good at losing-- and I'm not talking about moral victory type bull****; I'm just saying his teams seemed to stick together and keep some sort of identity even when they were losing most of the time. It eventually cohered into a great senior class leading a really triumphant 2016 season. He also beat Nebraska in his one shot, and got the CSU game to feeling like it should be an almost automatic "W" again.

It was definitely time for him to go, but he did manage to raise the bar above himself.
 
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