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Montez

Practically speaking; if Montez can go get paid as a 1st round talent next year, he should. No one can accurately project him as a success or a bust right now; including professional scouts, but especially Albuffs speculators.

2019 looking like a dearth draft year for QBs, so he can potentially be positioned higher than he would after his senior year.
 
Jello Bear said:
Practically speaking; if Montez can go get paid as a 1st round talent next year, he should. No one can accurately project him as a success or a bust right now; including professional scouts, but especially Albuffs speculators.

2019 looking like a dearth draft year for QBs, so he can potentially be positioned higher than he would after his senior year.
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I fully believe that maybe 75% of a QBs success/failure in the NFL rides on the coaching staff he gets paired with. There are very few “system/coaching proof” QBs out there, especially in today’s college offense environment.
 
I think the biggest benefit from that camp wasn't what he learned in terms of football skills. I suspect strongly that Steven learned:
  • He had all the physical skills to play in the NFL, but wasn't even scratching the surface as far as mental prep.
  • He had the unbelievable good fortune of having the opportunity to work with Roper, who came with full Manning family approval.
For those who haven't followed as closely:
  • Roper was on staff at UTjr as a grad assistant under OC Cutliffe during Peyton's last two years.
  • Roper was QB coach at Ole Miss Under Cutliffe (HC) all four years of Eli Manning's CFB career.
  • Roper was then OC/QB coach at Duke under Cutliffe (MM was their DC part of that time).
No way that Archie places Eli at Ole Miss under Cutliffe without Archie approving of Roper as well.

I think Montez came back realizing he had a lot to learn and had been blessed with good fortune to have Kurt Roper to work with.
 
buffaholic said:
I think the biggest benefit from that camp wasn't what he learned in terms of football skills. I suspect strongly that Steven learned:
  • He had all the physical skills to play in the NFL, but wasn't even scratching the surface as far as mental prep.
  • He had the unbelievable good fortune of having the opportunity to work with Roper, who came with full Manning family approval.
For those who haven't followed as closely:
  • Roper was on staff at UTjr as a grad assistant under OC Cutliffe during Peyton's last two years.
  • Roper was QB coach at Ole Miss Under Cutliffe (HC) all four years of Eli Manning's CFB career.
  • Roper was then OC/QB coach at Duke under Cutliffe (MM was their DC part of that time).
No way that Archie places Eli at Ole Miss under Cutliffe without Archie approving of Roper as well.

I think Montez came back realizing he had a lot to learn and had been blessed with good fortune to have Kurt Roper to work with.
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I also think the film study habits and everything that's involved were something that the Manning's probably hammer home during those one on one sessions.
 
TSchekler said:
I fully believe that maybe 75% of a QBs success/failure in the NFL rides on the coaching staff he gets paired with. There are very few “system/coaching proof” QBs out there, especially in today’s college offense environment.
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I've believed this for a long time. It isn't possible that all those QBs drafted by the Browns over the years were all terrible, it was coaching and system and the supporting talent.

The balance to that is a guy like Prescott with Dallas who may or may not have been successful elsewhere but it certainly didn't hurt him to start his career behind the best OL in football with one of if not the best RB and a coaching staff who tailored everything to giving him what he could be successful with.
 
Montez, right now, is better than some QB prospects that have been drafted in the first round of the NFL draft in recent years. If he continues to improve, he is gone after this season. If he tears his ACL or gets some other major injury while an amateur, it’ll always be “what if” with him from here on out. He’d be smart to limit his exposure.
 
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Duff Man said:
Oh stop. One more year in school turns him from a massive NFL bust to potential generational talent?

Just admit your posts are heavily influenced by a selfish desire to see him back in 2019.
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Guilty as charged your honor!
They are totally influenced by a selfish desire to see him back in 2019!!! Steven if you are reading this, please stay. My comparison between Lynch and Carson Wentz is system Junior QB vs Senior Grizzled QB that is well coached another year.
 
I never watched Paxton Lynch in college. Could he throw in college? I am still dumbfounded as to how the Broncos saw anything in him. I assume he must have looked very different in college.

And, as to Steven, we are winning the PAC and Steven will be propelled into the first round this year. Love to have him back for another great season, but not too likely with the success I see this year. :)
 
TSchekler said:
I fully believe that maybe 75% of a QBs success/failure in the NFL rides on the coaching staff he gets paired with. There are very few “system/coaching proof” QBs out there, especially in today’s college offense environment.
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May I present Kordell Stewart's NFL performance as Exhibit 1A, your honor.
 
CUFan said:
I never watched Paxton Lynch in college. Could he throw in college? I am still dumbfounded as to how the Broncos saw anything in him. I assume he must have looked very different in college.
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Lynch could sling it in college. Big, strong guy who threw the ball downfield accurately. Rolled up some impressive numbers and a lot of the kind of highlights that made sportcenter.


Physically impressive college QB

What you won't see him do though in these clips is a lot of the stuff that we are seeing Montez do this year that he didn't do in the past. Things like make reads and drop off to a second or third receiver, see things at the line and switch his throw to a guy who the defense leaves uncovered or in a mismatch. There are other things as well that Montez is doing that pro QBs have to do that Lynch didn't do in college and never got a hold on in Denver.

Montez this year has shown a lot of those mental/emotional skills this season that Lynch never showed. Maybe more importantly Montez this season is showing that he can take coaching and apply it to his game, he can learn and adapt.
 
MtnBuff said:
Lynch could sling it in college. Big, strong guy who threw the ball downfield accurately. Rolled up some impressive numbers and a lot of the kind of highlights that made sportcenter.


Physically impressive college QB

What you won't see him do though in these clips is a lot of the stuff that we are seeing Montez do this year that he didn't do in the past. Things like make reads and drop off to a second or third receiver, see things at the line and switch his throw to a guy who the defense leaves uncovered or in a mismatch. There are other things as well that Montez is doing that pro QBs have to do that Lynch didn't do in college and never got a hold on in Denver.

Montez this year has shown a lot of those mental/emotional skills this season that Lynch never showed. Maybe more importantly Montez this season is showing that he can take coaching and apply it to his game, he can learn and adapt.
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So Montez 1st round to Denver after the 19 season ??
 
MtnBuff said:
Lynch could sling it in college. Big, strong guy who threw the ball downfield accurately. Rolled up some impressive numbers and a lot of the kind of highlights that made sportcenter.


Physically impressive college QB

What you won't see him do though in these clips is a lot of the stuff that we are seeing Montez do this year that he didn't do in the past. Things like make reads and drop off to a second or third receiver, see things at the line and switch his throw to a guy who the defense leaves uncovered or in a mismatch. There are other things as well that Montez is doing that pro QBs have to do that Lynch didn't do in college and never got a hold on in Denver.

Montez this year has shown a lot of those mental/emotional skills this season that Lynch never showed. Maybe more importantly Montez this season is showing that he can take coaching and apply it to his game, he can learn and adapt.
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Lynch is a great comparison to the decision that Montez will have! Based on what we saw develop after leaving after his Junior Season, and based on the system that Lynch ended up in, I believe that as long as Roper and Chiv are coming back next year to help Montez, which I strongly believe they will be back means that if I am Montez, I come back for another year of solid coaching and try to perform at an extremely high level. Lynch threw up some gaudy numbers, but we all know now that he was missing all the technique and mental things needed to make it stick. I agree Montez is reading defense better, but not quite at the level that might, dare I say propel him to the #1 pick???
 
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Montez is so much better staying in the pocket and reading what the D is giving him. Night and day. Roper has really been key. And a great addition to a staff with Rookie OCs. Brilliant!
 
buffaholic said:
Montez is so much better staying in the pocket and reading what the D is giving him. Night and day. Roper has really been key. And a great addition to a staff with Rookie OCs. Brilliant!
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Roper has been HUGE in Montez’s development. But let’s not pile all credit on the coach, none of this happens without a desire by Montez to grow up and get better. It is so fun to see kids develop in such a way that positively impacts their team, and the future they have in front of them. So proud of this team
 
Montez is currently averaging 9.3 yards per attempt, but only 6.2 air yards per attempt, per STATS LLC.
That’s down from 9.7 air yards per throw last year and 7.8 the year before that.
 
Jens1893 said:
Montez is currently averaging 9.3 yards per attempt, but only 6.2 air yards per attempt, per STATS LLC.
That’s down from 9.7 air yards per throw last year and 7.8 the year before that.
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We really do have more of a lateral offense this year. A lot more screens and quick game than last year, not to mention the little dump passes to Viska in the flat. I'd like to see us go vertical a little bit more, but I won't complain about what's been working to average nearly 40 pts/game.
 
SeasonDownComp-AttPct.Yds.FDTDINT
20181st57-6982.66161931
20183rd-4th19-2770.43511430
20171st95-15362.11,2684463
20173rd-4th59-9860.27474074
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Montez by down
 
Darth Snow said:
Meaning: Chev's killing it.
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Yeah, article further talks about the play calling and the amount of shorter stuff like jailbreak screens, swing passes, passes to the flat, jet sweeps etc we run. It's from the USC reporter for TA on how USC could deal with Montez.
 
TSchekler said:
Yards After Catch are factored into yards, but not air yards. Essentially, Montez isn't throwing the ball as far to get his completions, but his receivers are doing more run after catch than last year.
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Interesting statistic. Seems kind of a silly thing to keep track of, but ok.
Thanks.
 
Jens1893 said:
Montez is currently averaging 9.3 yards per attempt, but only 6.2 air yards per attempt, per STATS LLC.
That’s down from 9.7 air yards per throw last year and 7.8 the year before that.
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What's the air yards on a jet sweep? 1/2?
 
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