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More important for a good offense -- quarterback or offensive line?
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btbuff
It's an inside joke
P. Manning doesn't hold onto the ball for >30 seconds per possession. He will undoubtedly get hit but he is incredibly quick with his feeds.
One big difference between college and the pros is that you can develop much more QB consistency in the pros. In college even the best QBs tend to be much less consistent.
On the other hand if you have a consistent O-line you don't have good and bad weeks. Good O-line lets you run the ball and even if your QB isn't on top of his game gives him the margin to be effective.
It's hard to be a top level team with either a bad QB or a bad OL but it is easier to be a better team with a top OL and an average QB than vice versa.
The Wisconsin example given above is a good example of this, also look at LSU and Bama this year. Not bad QBs but certainly not great, they dominate on the line.
On the other hand if you have a consistent O-line you don't have good and bad weeks. Good O-line lets you run the ball and even if your QB isn't on top of his game gives him the margin to be effective.
It's hard to be a top level team with either a bad QB or a bad OL but it is easier to be a better team with a top OL and an average QB than vice versa.
The Wisconsin example given above is a good example of this, also look at LSU and Bama this year. Not bad QBs but certainly not great, they dominate on the line.
dply
Doble hoja
:woot:
Manning also knows what the defense is doing more than the defense itself. He can call up blitz protections and quick release the ball to a receiver or rb on an audible.
Hasn't pretty much Wisconsin QB starter in the past 15 years gotten at least a cup of coffee in the NFL?
Since people are bringing up the 2001 team, I wanted to point out that we lost 3 games that year:
Fresno State (QB David Carr, #1 overall draft pick)
Texas (QB Major Applewhite, UFA with New England Patriots)
Oregon (QB Joey Harrington, #3 overall draft pick)
Fresno State (QB David Carr, #1 overall draft pick)
Texas (QB Major Applewhite, UFA with New England Patriots)
Oregon (QB Joey Harrington, #3 overall draft pick)
As I said the Wiscy starters have been guys who weren't bad but until Wilson this year they were virtually all "workman" type guys, nothing outstanding but good enough to run the offense, hand the ball off, and make the basic throws they use in their offense. Hence the description of average.
A lot of those types of guys get invitations to NFL camps because they give you an arm to run your training camp drills without having to take a lot of "teaching" from the coaching staff. If they turn out a little better than you thought then you have a decent back-up type.
It has all been made possible for them by the consistent quality of their O-line. They seem to always be able to run the ball so their QBs don't have huge pressure on them.
If you have a superstar QB, that guy can overcome an average to below average OL. However, in the broad view of the game, I believe a first rate OL and a good QB will be more successful offensively than a an average OL and good QB.
I don't think you'll get any argument on that.
With all our great offenses, it seems the only QB to make a name for himself was Kordell. We won the Big XII with Passevento (sp?)
dply
Doble hoja
Are you talking about in the pros? Hessler and Detmer were pretty good college QB's too. Not to mention Hagan.
I was joking about your typo.
The only variable you changed was the quality of the OL (you had "good QB" for both).
So, yes, I think everyone will agree that it's better to have a great OL instead of a mediocre OL. :wink2:
dply
Doble hoja
What are you talking about. We just had a QB that broke all the records at CU. :smile2:
Oh we've seen them. As they put up video game type offensive numbers against us.
dply
Doble hoja
Yep,
Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Vince Young, Chase Daniels, Matt Barkley, Pete Thomas
lol and more.
Those names don't even belong to said with the greatest QB of all time (Pete Thomas).Yep,
Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Vince Young, Chase Daniels, Matt Barkley, Pete Thomas
jcatcher
Club Member
No, just two have been drafted before Russel Wilson, and both were sixth rounders and career backups. One more, Scott Tolzien (2010 starter) was an undrafted FA who was third string for SF for a couple of games last year. One other (Darrel Bevell) never played but is the Seahawks Offensive Coordinator. So three of the last 11 covering 15 years. Two had careers as backups, the third is yet to be determined but unlikely to be a factor. Russell Wilson could be the steal of the 2012 draft, though.
Boelinger put up big numbers for a year or two.
jcatcher
Club Member
Brooks Bollinger and Jim Sorgi are the two sixth rounders who had careers as backups. Bollinger started nine games for the Jets in 2005 when Chad Pennington went down, but only started one other game in a six year career.
Thanks. I had Bollinger confused with Marc Bulger.
Stocco and Tolzien also got some time in the NFL, I think.
Anyway, they were all good college QBs. I'm pretty sure that Wisconsin has had a string of quarterbacks that were All-Big Ten (maybe not 1st team). Major Applewhite level college QBs. Not like we're talking about a bunch of stiffs.
Yep,
Colt McCoy, Sam Bradford, Vince Young, Chase Daniels, Matt Barkley, Pete Thomas
Andrew Luck. Don't forget him. He picked us apart. It was sickening.
somebody
Well-Known Member
Well yeah, by definition with the only diff being first rate vs avg OL.
Other than Robert Hodge, of course.