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Most overrated & underrated college coaches (rated by peers)

Buffnik

Buffnik

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Who is the most overrated coach in college football?
COACHRESPONSES
Willie Taggart, Florida State20 percent
James Franklin, Penn State20 percent
Kirk Ferentz, Iowa13 percent
Lane Kiffin, FAU13 percent
Five other coaches34 percent
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Who is the most underrated coach in college football?
COACHRESPONSES
David Shaw, Stanford12 percent
Chris Petersen, Washington12 percent
Dan Mullen, Florida8 percent
Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern8 percent
Kyle Whittingham, Utah8 percent
14 other coaches52 percent
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I don't get how James Franklin is where he is in this. Jealousy? Rubs people the wrong way?

Also, I thought this comment on Jimbo Fisher was very interesting. We'll see how he does at aTm. (I really don't want him to succeed there since I can't stand aTm for some reason.)
  • "We're going to see in the next three years [what happens with Jimbo Fisher at Texas A&M]. That disaster last year at Florida State, he prides himself on being just like Nick Saban. He only worked for him for a couple of years. He never has the organizational skills. He flies by the seat [of his pants]. It looks like it's organized and the words he uses are the same, but if you talk to people who work in his office, the desk is sloppy, the rooms are sloppy."
 
Somebody has some issues with Nick Saban. :ROFLMAO:
  • "If you had the No. 1 recruiting class in the country every year [you'd win like Nick Saban]. He shows up at every single game with a better roster than the teams he 's playing. … If you count cheating and getting the best players in the country as part of running a program, he's the best in the country. It's like saying an NFL coach is the best coach in the league if he gets 25 first-round picks every year."
 
Buffnik said:


Who is the most overrated coach in college football?
COACHRESPONSES
Willie Taggart, Florida State20 percent
James Franklin, Penn State20 percent
Kirk Ferentz, Iowa13 percent
Lane Kiffin, FAU13 percent
Five other coaches34 percent
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Who is the most underrated coach in college football?
COACHRESPONSES
David Shaw, Stanford12 percent
Chris Petersen, Washington12 percent
Dan Mullen, Florida8 percent
Pat Fitzgerald, Northwestern8 percent
Kyle Whittingham, Utah8 percent
14 other coaches52 percent
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
I don't get how James Franklin is where he is in this. Jealousy? Rubs people the wrong way?

Also, I thought this comment on Jimbo Fisher was very interesting. We'll see how he does at aTm. (I really don't want him to succeed there since I can't stand aTm for some reason.)
  • "We're going to see in the next three years [what happens with Jimbo Fisher at Texas A&M]. That disaster last year at Florida State, he prides himself on being just like Nick Saban. He only worked for him for a couple of years. He never has the organizational skills. He flies by the seat [of his pants]. It looks like it's organized and the words he uses are the same, but if you talk to people who work in his office, the desk is sloppy, the rooms are sloppy."
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Agree wth the Shaw/Petersen. And agree with the head scratcher on Franklin. He got there at kind of a weird time and now PSU is looking pretty good and getting better.
But Dan Mullen "underrated" at UF? Based on what?
 
Kyle Whittingham popping up as underrated. I think Utah has a good year (except for a loss in Boulder) and gets snatched up by an LSU (maybe not big enough name?) or someone else.
 
Duff Man said:
That Saban comment is so bad. Extremely petty.
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That was Coach O. As far as Saban, would it shock me if Alabama got caught cheating? No. Some other takes on this-Saying Mullen didn't get enough credit for the job he did at Mississippi State is a fair argument to make. That's the toughest job in that league outside of Vandy and maybe Kentucky. I love seeing Blake Anderson pop up on that list-that dude has done a really, really good job at Arkansas State, and I'd hire him tomorrow if we had an opening.
 
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Duff Man said:
Not every coach wins five national titles with great talent. In fact, most would not.
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With his talent though? When I look at who is the best coach, I'm not even looking at the guys who always have top tier talent.

And his talent isn't "great talent". Its on another level from where mid 2000s USC and early 2000s Miami was.
 
Medford M. said:
With his talent though? When I look at who is the best coach, I'm not even looking at the guys who always have top tier talent.
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It's a different skill set than winning as an underdog. To me, it's the ultimate level when you rise to the point of getting an elite job in the biz, making it even more elite than it was, and dominating peers who have similar resources over a long timeline.
 
Buffnik said:
It's a different skill set than winning as an underdog. To me, it's the ultimate level when you rise to the point of getting an elite job in the biz, making it even more elite than it was, and dominating peers who have similar resources over a long timeline.
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Great post-I'd compare Saban to Phil Jackson.....He won a ton of championships in both Chicago and LA, but if you give him that Nuggets team that won 11 games in the late 90s, is he that successful? I doubt it. Could Saban win a bunch of titles at.....Kentucky like he has at Alabama? No.
 
ahoelsken said:
Great post-I'd compare Saban to Phil Jackson.....He won a ton of championships in both Chicago and LA, but if you give him that Nuggets team that won 11 games in the late 90s, is he that successful? I doubt it. Could Saban win a bunch of titles at.....Kentucky like he has at Alabama? No.
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I'm also just not someone who gives head coaches all that much credit. He's in charge of running the organization and setting the culture, recruiting, and putting the schemes he wants in place, but the head coach isn't the one in there on every position drill, making his players better.
 
Let me put it this way, Bill Belichick wins all the time, and most of the time, you look at the teams, you'd honestly say he's working with less talent.

Saban never works with less talent. Credit him for taking jobs in the most talent rich part of the country, where his job is a lot easier.
 
Medford M. said:
Let me put it this way, Bill Belichick wins all the time, and most of the time, you look at the teams, you'd honestly say he's working with less talent.

Saban never works with less talent. Credit him for taking jobs in the most talent rich part of the country, where his job is a lot easier.
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Is he not suppose to do any of that? I don’t get it. He is paid to win and build the Alabama brand. He does it better than anyone.
 
Medford M. said:
I'm also just not someone who gives head coaches all that much credit. He's in charge of running the organization and setting the culture, recruiting, and putting the schemes he wants in place, but the head coach isn't the one in there on every position drill, making his players better.
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Aside from everything that actually makes a program run, along with being responsible for bringing in the talent, head coaches don’t do much.
 
patebuff said:
Is he not suppose to do any of that? I don’t get it. He is paid to win and build the Alabama brand. He does it better than anyone.
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I'm saying it doesn't take a great coach to win with what he's given.

Chris Peterson coaches circles around Saban, and unlike Saban seems like an actual human being.
 
Medford M. said:
I'm saying it doesn't take a great coach to win with what he's given.

Chris Peterson coaches circles around Saban, and unlike Saban seems like an actual human being.
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When Saban got to Alabama they were definitely not what they are now. Alabama does have advantages that others don’t, but he absolutely did not step into a well oiled machine. You can look no further than Texas.
 
plus, every year, we hear rumors about how bama cheats. well, every other program in the sec that has tried to compete with him has gotten sanctioned. if saban is a cheater, he is ****ing genius at it.

and, think about what saban has delivered to bama. on his back, they have built the finest athletic facilities in college. they have increased their academic reputation from putrid to solid. they draw some students from well beyond the deep south. they recruit nationally. think about that-- they get kids from california to go to the deep south. and, they win. a lot. they are organizationally built for success. none of that happens without saban.

i don't like saban but i respect him.
 
patebuff said:
When Saban got to Alabama they were definitely not what they are now. Alabama does have advantages that others don’t, but he absolutely did not step into a well oiled machine. You can look no further than Texas.
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He not only took over a mediocre program, he bent a blueblood to his will.

BTW, Saban does a lot of positional coaching with the DBs, so this idea he just oversees everything is false.
 
Penn State's Franklin overrated? Anyone forget he coached at Vanderbilt?
 
Medford M. said:
Also count me as not shocked by the Franklin comment. Guy is an ass hat and slimeball.
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He strikes me as being that way.

Also he is and has been an apologist for the the way Pedo State handled the Sandusky situation and Paterno. Don't care if it is fair or not, I don't forgive that.
 
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