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Naming rights for CSU's new stadium - ideas?

sackman said:
Those classes are taught at Punahou. You should know, being an alumnus and all.
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:lol: Stop besmirching the fine school of Punahou. As my high school rival, I took great pride in beating the **** out of them and it hurts me to think those victories could mean less.
 
Bad news: Thread gets jacked and ends up about Hawaiin HS football.

Good news: Topic is an upgrade to talking about CSU football.
 
skibum said:
None of the other sports you mentioned have high spectator value. Worldwide, and in a growing segment of the US population, soccer is the spectator sport. I'm really surprised there aren't more schools piling money in right now.

Hell, I don't even like the sport, but the low costs, growing popularity (especially among younger age groups) and favorable demographic shifts make the business decision side of me wish that CU would get its act together and start building a serious soccer program (for both both genders).
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I think you’re missing the point. It’s not about spectators. It’s about finding what’s best for the school. Big time football is not best for CU. Success is not realistically possible and certainly not sustainable.

CSU has a d1 football program now. They lose money. They suck. They don’t represent the school well. They only draw 22k fans.

I’d argue that instead of small time football, why not got big time in a different sport?

Why not build a program that represents the school well. Build something to be proud of.

Plus, I’ll bet a top notch soccer program could draw 5-8k at CSU after a few years of success.

Keep in mind, no sport will make money at CSU.
 
Walter White said:
I think you’re missing the point. It’s not about spectators. It’s about finding what’s best for the school. Big time football is not best for CU. Success is not realistically possible and certainly not sustainable.

CSU has a d1 football program now. They lose money. They suck. They don’t represent the school well. They only draw 22k fans.

I’d argue that instead of small time football, why not got big time in a different sport?

Why not build a program that represents the school well. Build something to be proud of.

Plus, I’ll bet a top notch soccer program could draw 5-8k at CSU after a few years of success.

Keep in mind, no sport will make money at CSU.
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Whachoo smokin boy?
 
Flagship sport at a university is about publicity for the school. It's about people knowing your school exist, hearing it's name. It's also about being a focal point for the school, the community, and the alumni and donors.

Soccer doesn't do that. Not saying it isn't a great sport for kids to play or that soccer players aren't highly skilled, conditioned athletes. It is simply that ourside of the small soccer community nobody in the US cares enough to watch it that much. Millions of kids ride bikes but bike racing is hidden on obscure cable channels.

I'd love to see CU have more sports and do well at all of them but in the US football is king and that isn't changing any time soon. Even lower division college football and HS football get much more attention than the MLS does. College soccer is on a par with college cross-country and tennis for interest. When CU wins titles at cross-country we all get a little pride and are happy but the rest of the country doesn't care and we still don't go out to watch.

CSU would be better off to play football at a level that is more easily affordable and at which they could successfully compete. FCS would give them both of those and give the benefits that are the reason for having a football program.
 
MtnBuff said:
It is simply that ourside of the small soccer community nobody in the US cares enough to watch it that much.
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Except for that pesky group in my neighborhood bar. I don't think it's going to replace football in the next 20 years or so, and it could be that I live in a fairly multicultural/racial suburban neighborhood that does not represent the "norm" for the rest of the country (although I suspect it represents a future "normal"), but I walk into bars and restaurants around my house on fall weekends and there's about a 50/50 chance that any televisions are tuned to soccer rather than football - outside of the fall and it's probably 80/20 soccer/other sports. Weird, I know, and it's definitely biasing my thinking - but there's definitely a market for that particular product.
 
skibum said:
Except for that pesky group in my neighborhood bar. I don't think it's going to replace football in the next 20 years or so, and it could be that I live in a fairly multicultural/racial suburban neighborhood that does not represent the "norm" for the rest of the country (although I suspect it represents a future "normal"), but I walk into bars and restaurants around my house on fall weekends and there's about a 50/50 chance that any televisions are tuned to soccer rather than football - outside of the fall and it's probably 80/20 soccer/other sports. Weird, I know, and it's definitely biasing my thinking - but there's definitely a market for that particular product.
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That sounds terrifying. Maybe we should skip that beer.
 
MtnBuff said:
Flagship sport at a university is about publicity for the school. It's about people knowing your school exist, hearing it's name. It's also about being a focal point for the school, the community, and the alumni and donors.

Soccer doesn't do that. Not saying it isn't a great sport for kids to play or that soccer players aren't highly skilled, conditioned athletes. It is simply that ourside of the small soccer community nobody in the US cares enough to watch it that much. Millions of kids ride bikes but bike racing is hidden on obscure cable channels.

I'd love to see CU have more sports and do well at all of them but in the US football is king and that isn't changing any time soon. Even lower division college football and HS football get much more attention than the MLS does. College soccer is on a par with college cross-country and tennis for interest. When CU wins titles at cross-country we all get a little pride and are happy but the rest of the country doesn't care and we still don't go out to watch.

CSU would be better off to play football at a level that is more easily affordable and at which they could successfully compete. FCS would give them both of those and give the benefits that are the reason for having a football program.
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Do you think the best lower division football programs get publicity for their school? 99% of the population knows nothing about the best football programs in the lower divisions. Lower division football gets zero publicity, which is about the same as college soccer.
 
Darth Snow said:
Soccer is awesome and going to take over the world. Arguing about it is stupid.
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Soccer took over the world about 100 years ago. Welcome to planet earth. Take a look around.

The TV viewership for the last world cup final was 3.2 billion. That's billion with a "B".
 
Walter White said:
Soccer took over the world about 100 years ago. Welcome to planet earth. Take a look around.

The TV viewership for the last world cup final was 3.2 billion. That's billion with a "B".
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And yet nobody in the U.S. gives a **** or will continue to give a **** for the next 100 years because soccer is as boring as watching paint dry, and American football is 100x better. The rest of the world can enjoy their kick ball, and CSU is welcome to it as well.
 
Don't shoot the messenger, but for the sake of throwing fuel on the fire of one of the worst threads in the history of allbuffs...

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/blog/_/name/relegationzone/id/262?cc=5901


...the ESPN Sports Poll, the complex database that recently pronounced soccer as America's second-most popular sport for those age 12-24, outstripping the NBA, MLB and college football. Luker is also the man who discovered that three soccer players -- Lionel Messi (16th), iconic veteran David Beckham (20th), and Real Madrid's Cristiano Ronaldo (24th) -- rank among the 50 most popular athletes in America. "Unbelievably, [Lionel] Messi ranks ahead of Dwyane Wade," Luker marveled. "Only two baseball players, Albert Pujols and Derek Jeter, are ahead of him."
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Soccer has always been popular with children and younger age groups - but mostly these folks grow out of it and move on to real sports.
 
dio said:
Soccer has always been popular with children and younger age groups - but mostly these folks grow out of it and move on to real sports.
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I consider that to be 6 year olds, not 18 year olds. If you're into it at 18, chances are you're going to be interested throughout your life.
 
buffedup said:
And yet nobody in the U.S. gives a **** or will continue to give a **** for the next 100 years because soccer is as boring as watching paint dry, and American football is 100x better. The rest of the world can enjoy their kick ball, and CSU is welcome to it as well.
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I've never understood the hostility some people have against soccer. There are lots of sports that I don’t like, but my response to those sports is indifference. There is some kind of deeper psychological response guys like you have towards soccer. I think some of your type feel threatened in some way, but I don’t know why.

I like watching both college football and soccer. I don’t really feel the need to pick a side. They’re not mutually exclusive.

That said, when i watch a fair amount of soccer (say, the world cup tourney) and then turn on football, the football seems really, really slow and cumbersome with all of the starting and stopping…five seconds of action and then a minute of getting ready for the next play. Add that to the time outs and other stoppages of play. Soccer flows.

It's just personal preferance at the end of the day.
 
Darth Snow said:
I told you guys!!!
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Stop it Snow. Your disdain for soccer is getting annoying.

Walter White said:
I've never understood the hostility some people have against soccer. There are lots of sports that I don’t like, but my response to those sports is indifference. There is some kind of deeper psychological response guys like you have towards soccer. I think some of your type feel threatened in some way, but I don’t know why.

I like watching both college football and soccer. I don’t really feel the need to pick a side. They’re not mutually exclusive.

That said, when i watch a fair amount of soccer (say, the world cup tourney) and then turn on football, the football seems really, really slow and cumbersome with all of the starting and stopping…five seconds of action and then a minute of getting ready for the next play. Add that to the time outs and other stoppages of play. Soccer flows.

It's just personal preferance at the end of the day.
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Take it up with Snow. He is one of those wanna be manly men who can only disparage the sport of soccer because it challenges his Americanized ideal of manhood.
 
I love watching soccer on tv. I turn it on when I am having trouble sleeping. After 15 minutes, I am out like a baby.
 
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