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brockbuff

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I’m prob in the boat that says we need a grad transfer at qb for depth. Especially bc I think one of Lytle or Stenstrom could still leave
 

Da Lama

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QB. End of story. Want to go to a bowl game next year? Then get a QB in here that will either start or significantly push who we have. Otherwise get ready to embrace 5-7 again.
 

letsgoavs192

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QB. End of story. Want to go to a bowl game next year? Then get a QB in here that will either start or significantly push who we have. Otherwise get ready to embrace 5-7 again.
Honestly, if we go 5-7 next year and are competitive in our losses I can live with that.

I assume we are going to lose at A&M

So 5 wins would most likely mean wins against

CSU, Fresno State, and then 3 between the AZ schools, socal schools, utah, Oregon, WSU, Standford and Washington

If you tell me we win 5 of those, and are competitive in the losses with a new QB that to me shows we are on the verge of breaking through in 2021 with most of the team including QB back

Then again, I'm more patient than most
 

manhattanbuf

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Honestly, if we go 5-7 next year and are competitive in our losses I can live with that.

I assume we are going to lose at A&M

So 5 wins would most likely mean wins against

CSU, Fresno State, and then 3 between the AZ schools, socal schools, utah, Oregon, WSU, Standford and Washington

If you tell me we win 5 of those, and are competitive in the losses with a new QB that to me shows we are on the verge of breaking through in 2021 with most of the team including QB back

Then again, I'm more patient than most
Given the improvement of the team in the second half of the season and the uptick in recruiting, I’d be very disappointed with another consecutive five win season.
 

letsgoavs192

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Given the improvement of the team in the second half of the season and the uptick in recruiting, I’d be very disappointed with another consecutive five win season.
I never assume true freshman are going to make enough of a difference to win games. They may contribute a little here or there at a position but I don't think they impact the win total too much

And unfortunately for us we have almost the entire team back and more depth in some places aside from the most important position....QB

And pretty much an automatic loss on the non conf schedule
 

manhattanbuf

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I never assume true freshman are going to make enough of a difference to win games. They may contribute a little here or there at a position but I don't think they impact the win total too much

And unfortunately for us we have almost the entire team back and more depth in some places aside from the most important position....QB

And pretty much an automatic loss on the non conf schedule
The freshmen we recruited better make impact plays. Otherwise, we recruited the wrong guys or the staff can’t coach.

ASU is showing us one big thing: a competent staff who recruit at a solid level can get young players to contribute immediately toward a bowl season. I don’t expect us to win the P12, but not improving over 5-7 is unacceptable.
 

TSchekler

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JFC, 6 ****ing wins in college football should not be hard. Tucker needs to be able to get this team to that mark next year. There are no excuses for CSU, Fresno, Arizona, and UCLA. Oregon seems to be the only real no hoper. Find two more wins in the 7 other Pac 12 games. 5-7 is unacceptable for a 4th straight season.
 

letsgoavs192

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JFC, 6 ****ing wins in college football should not be hard. Tucker needs to be able to get this team to that mark next year. There are no excuses for CSU, Fresno, Arizona, and UCLA. Oregon seems to be the only real no hoper. Find two more wins in the 7 other Pac 12 games. 5-7 is unacceptable for a 4th straight season.
When you play an FCS school, two no name schools and have 2-3 gimmies in the conference you are correct.

That's not the situation we face. We have one non-conf game we almost have no chance to win. A rivalry game and another respectable opponent. 2-1 would be good there, but 1-2 is possible. Then you have a 9 game conference schedule where the easiest games are tossups
 

hawg1

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The freshmen we recruited better make impact plays. Otherwise, we recruited the wrong guys or the staff can’t coach.

ASU is showing us one big thing: a competent staff who recruit at a solid level can get young players to contribute immediately toward a bowl season. I don’t expect us to win the P12, but not improving over 5-7 is unacceptable.
5-7 would mean 3 conference wins. 3-6 hurts Team needs to get to 5-4 in conference.
 

Duff Man

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When you play an FCS school, two no name schools and have 2-3 gimmies in the conference you are correct.

That's not the situation we face. We have one non-conf game we almost have no chance to win. A rivalry game and another respectable opponent. 2-1 would be good there, but 1-2 is possible. Then you have a 9 game conference schedule where the easiest games are tossups
2021 is going to be brutal if you think 2020 is a bear.
 

letsgoavs192

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The freshmen we recruited better make impact plays. Otherwise, we recruited the wrong guys or the staff can’t coach.

ASU is showing us one big thing: a competent staff who recruit at a solid level can get young players to contribute immediately toward a bowl season. I don’t expect us to win the P12, but not improving over 5-7 is unacceptable.
Not apples to apples. I live in Phoenix and know ASU well

First of all, they had two conference wins against one of the worst teams in FBS, and an FCS team...and they struggled in both. They won a game at Michigan state that their offense scored once (michigan state also ended up not being very good). And in conference play they avoided Washington, and got Cal with a backup QB taking his first snap. They also beat WSU at the last second. So they were that close to going 5-7 EVEN WITH those two automatic non-conf wins.

You are correct, they got some good play out of Jayden Daniels at QB considering he was a true freshman. But he also had stretches where he struggled, and don't forget he was extremely highly rated.

Long story short I have zero doubt that if ASU had played our schedule they don't win 6 games. Maybe not even 5, and I believe this is backed up by the fact that we beat them on the road in a game where we had 6 starters out at one point

Can't look just at wins and losses when you are building. Have to look at who you play, how tough you play them, and if you got better from one year to the next. Wins/losses alone won't tell you that.

If we go 5-7 next year with wins against CSU, Fresno State, ASU, UCLA, Oregon and say at Stanford. And we lose 3-4 games by a score that we fight until the end against teams like A&M, Washington, USC, etc with a new QB with no experience that to me shows some progress

Then in 2021 I will expect results with no excuses
 

letsgoavs192

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5-7 would mean 3 conference wins. 3-6 hurts Team needs to get to 5-4 in conference.
Look at our opponents and show me if you think it is likely to win 5 conference games with a QB that has never started. Assuming Lewis or Stenstrom

Have to look at the whole picture
 

letsgoavs192

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2021 is going to be brutal if you think 2020 is a bear.
Not necessarily. Because we will have a QB with some experience entering the year along with a good chunk of the team back

And these last two recruiting classes that have been pretty solid will not be true freshman

Next year we are hoping for more wins against a harder schedule with a new QB and some true Freshman playing meaningful time. Doesn't seem realistic to me, but what do I know?
 

hawg1

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Look at our opponents and show me if you think it is likely to win 5 conference games with a QB that has never started. Assuming Lewis or Stenstrom

Have to look at the whole picture
I don’t not see five conference wins at all next year. Didn’t mean to intimate such. Just saying that 5-4 in conference is a key milestone that needs to be avhievef.

I’m 4-8 overall next year subject to changes after spring, after camp and after first three games.

I was 4-8 this year as well. Upgraded to 5 after ****braska.
 

Duff Man

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Not necessarily. Because we will have a QB with some experience entering the year along with a good chunk of the team back

And these last two recruiting classes that have been pretty solid will not be true freshman

Next year we are hoping for more wins against a harder schedule with a new QB and some true Freshman playing meaningful time. Doesn't seem realistic to me, but what do I know?
Well, if the QB or QBs are only getting us to 5-7 next season, not sure magical experience is going to change things in 2021. If anything, we might be younger at many spots in 2021.
 

hawg1

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When did aTm become some juggernaut? It’s not going to be an easy game but calling it a no hoper is pretty pollyannish.
You see what they have returning on their two deep? And recent recruiting? Could very well be a Top 10-12 team next year.
 

manhattanbuf

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Not apples to apples. I live in Phoenix and know ASU well

First of all, they had two conference wins against one of the worst teams in FBS, and an FCS team...and they struggled in both. They won a game at Michigan state that their offense scored once (michigan state also ended up not being very good). And in conference play they avoided Washington, and got Cal with a backup QB taking his first snap. They also beat WSU at the last second. So they were that close to going 5-7 EVEN WITH those two automatic non-conf wins.

You are correct, they got some good play out of Jayden Daniels at QB considering he was a true freshman. But he also had stretches where he struggled, and don't forget he was extremely highly rated.

Long story short I have zero doubt that if ASU had played our schedule they don't win 6 games. Maybe not even 5, and I believe this is backed up by the fact that we beat them on the road in a game where we had 6 starters out at one point

Can't look just at wins and losses when you are building. Have to look at who you play, how tough you play them, and if you got better from one year to the next. Wins/losses alone won't tell you that.

If we go 5-7 next year with wins against CSU, Fresno State, ASU, UCLA, Oregon and say at Stanford. And we lose 3-4 games by a score that we fight until the end against teams like A&M, Washington, USC, etc with a new QB with no experience that to me shows some progress

Then in 2021 I will expect results with no excuses
5-7 is not progress. I expect progress. You don’t so I guess that’s where we go our separate ways.
 

Da Lama

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Not necessarily. Because we will have a QB with some experience entering the year along with a good chunk of the team back

And these last two recruiting classes that have been pretty solid will not be true freshman

Next year we are hoping for more wins against a harder schedule with a new QB and some true Freshman playing meaningful time. Doesn't seem realistic to me, but what do I know?
If Lewis is indeed you QB of the future, Tucker only has 2 options:
1) Start Lewis from Day 1. Take some lumps, but prime the team for a good run the next 3 years. I think most fans would accept 5-7 in that scenario.
2) Bring in a QB Grad transfer. Go all in for a bowl next year to bump up recruiting/practice time and let Lewis learn and get acclimated.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Stenstrom, and to a lesser extent Lytle, are not the answer. If one of them is our QB next season then this staff is just trolling water for another season which is unacceptable.
 
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