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SDB said:
Companies have no liability unless they fail to do the right thing.....they covered it up basically until after the stupid bowl game..idiotic. Turn it over to the damned police......
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Covered it up until after the bowl game?

There were no charges. The university was kept in the dark about the TPO. As soon as the TPO became a PPO, it became public knowledge and the university released him immediately.

They should have reported to OIEC and OIEC should have reported to authorities. That should have happened. The university has admitted as much. The Chancellor did not follow the procedures of his own university and did not ensure his employees know their own responsibilities. Some serious negligence from the office of the chancellor, but I don't believe there was any intent to do anything wrong.
 
pcbuff said:
I had a secretary who kept falling down and getting hurt. Finally it escalated to a broken arm and black eye. Irony there was husband was a Sargent in the DPD. Under this theory I have to call the cops or my employer is responsible. It's stupid. These title nine provisions exists to protect student athletes. Not family members and aquantaces of employees. The scope of this interpretation is an over reach.
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But a wonderful justification for a hefty law firm bill....
 
pcbuff said:
I had a secretary who kept falling down and getting hurt. Finally it escalated to a broken arm and black eye. Irony there was husband was a Sargent in the DPD. Under this theory I have to call the cops or my employer is responsible. It's stupid. These title nine provisions exists to protect student athletes. Not family members and aquantaces of employees. The scope of this interpretation is an over reach.
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You work for a company that is falls under the Title 9 unbrella? You knew a woman was getting the tar beat out of her and did nothing?
 
SDB said:
Companies have no liability unless they fail to do the right thing.....they covered it up basically until after the stupid bowl game..idiotic. Turn it over to the damned police......
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No. They actually didn't cover anything up, and that was proven to be the case by the report that was just released.
 
So this thread will be the one that discusses HCMM's extension tomorrow or Friday?
 
How much of this is a result of the Boulder/CU environment? For the life of me I really don't see where MacIntyre, George, or DeStefano did anything really wrong. The reporting maybe should of been different but hindsight is always 20/20. They were not malicious nor did they have ill intent. There is a balance between the employees right to privacy and the rights of the employer to intrude.

As an employer, what is my responsibility to what happens outside of my workplace. It is a very slippery slope, IMHO. I have had people who have had mental health issues, going through messy divorces and custody battles, substance abuse issues. I have always tried to be compassionate but also make it clear that work had to be done and outside issues could not impact the workplace (easier said then done). I have also had activist employees try to drive personal agendas in the work place which always is tricky to deal with as management.
 
BlackNGold said:
How much of this is a result of the Boulder/CU environment? For the life of me I really don't see where MacIntyre, George, or DeStefano did anything really wrong. The reporting maybe should of been different but hindsight is always 20/20. They were not malicious nor did they have ill intent. There is a balance between the employees right to privacy and the rights of the employer to intrude.

As an employer, what is my responsibility to what happens outside of my workplace. It is a very slippery slope, IMHO. I have had people who have had mental health issues, going through messy divorces and custody battles, substance abuse issues. I have always tried to be compassionate but also make it clear that work had to be done and outside issues could not impact the workplace (easier said then done). I have also had activist employees try to drive personal agendas in the work place which always is tricky to deal with as management.
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I think the most challenging thing in this for me is that MM & RG reported this up to the Chancellor of the university, who informed them of his decision that the allegation/complaint did not rise to the level of something to report... and then MM & RG were told that the fact they didn't report was grounds for termination. WTF? I think of my own work life and can say without a doubt that going against the decision of my big boss would also be grounds for termination as would moving a potentially damaging issue from in-house to outside without informing my boss. From what I understand from the Monday morning quarterbacks, there was absolutely nothing MM & RG could have done that wouldn't have exposed them to criticism and put their jobs at risk.
 
Come on....if someone calls you and says another person is COMMITTING a crime...you have a responsibility to report it to someone who can validate/verify/investigate. By NOT reporting this to the police IMMEDIATELY...which is common sense...the CU Admin did not do the right thing. But they didn't. Unbelievable that they did not immediately report this to the police.
 
SDB said:
Come on....if someone calls you and says another person is COMMITTING a crime...you have a responsibility to report it to someone who can validate/verify/investigate. By NOT reporting this to the police IMMEDIATELY...which is common sense...the CU Admin did not do the right thing. But they didn't. Unbelievable that they did not immediately report this to the police.
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They should've gone to the police, but did you miss the part where she said not to go to the police?
 
It seems many are idealistic about domestic violence reporting. Dealing with domestic violence is difficult and often frustrating. It is very different than child abuse, where every report is investigated, no matter how flimsy the suspicion. Domestic violence is treated very differently. Like most other crimes, the victim bears a responsibility to report the crime. In this instance, the victim spoke with MMac from Michigan on Dec 9. He encouraged her to report the abuse. One week later, she finally did, after 2 1/2 years of abuse. After asking for a restraining order, there was no more need for further reporting, and no additional legal protections were available. The OIEC had no magical powers to further protect this woman, especially given that she had no tie to CU and lived in Michigan. The notion that CU bears any responsibility to what happened to this woman seems ludicrous.

I have been involved with helping many victims of domestic abuse. I have sat listening while the victim, speaking with police, has changed the story to 'accidental trauma' instead of risking landing their significant other in jail. Until a victim is willing to report, there is little police can or will do from what I have seen and what I have been told numerous times. This is especially true when the abuse is reported second hand, as a suspicion, and never witnessed first hand. I have been told that all that can be done, realistically, is to encourage reporting by the victim. Given the notoriety of this case, the police may have called her in Michigan and changed the timetable by a day or two. Just as likely, the phone call may have scared her away from further reporting. 60 pages on Allbuffs, all the hand wringing, and hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on a possible lost day or two, after 2 1/2 years, seems exorbitant to me. As a side note, there is legal protection for wrongful reporting of child abuse. The reporting individual can't be sued civilly. I do not believe that protection covers wrongful reporting of domestic violence. Glad I don't work for CU.
 
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Why isn't anyone asking why OIEC didn't take more heat in this thing? No trainings of MM or RG since 2013 (and that one brief). Not even a training update after OIEC policies changed in 2014. That group has failed in its responsibilities and was so negligently absent from its duties that it's no wonder that MM and RG didn't think to call them. If we want to talk about where people should be fired and competent folks brought in, it's at OIEC.
 
Buffnik said:
Why isn't anyone asking why OIEC didn't take more heat in this thing? No trainings of MM or RG since 2013 (and that one brief). Not even a training update after OIEC policies changed in 2014. That group has failed in its responsibilities and was so negligently absent from its duties that it's no wonder that MM and RG didn't think to call them. If we want to talk about where people should be fired and competent folks brought in, it's at OIEC.
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I also find it weird that Mac has his own council and they didn't remind him of his legal obligation to report the call or even his responsibility to report it to OIEC? Or do I have this mixed up?
 
CVBuff said:
It seems many are idealistic about domestic violence reporting. Dealing with domestic violence is difficult and often frustrating. It is very different than child abuse, where every report is investigated, no matter how flimsy the suspicion. Domestic violence is treated very differently. Like most other crimes, the victim bears a responsibility to report the crime. In this instance, the victim spoke with MMac from Michigan on Dec 9. He encouraged her to report the abuse. One week later, she finally did, after 2 1/2 years of abuse. After asking for a restraining order, there was no more need for further reporting, and no additional legal protections were available. The OIEC had no magical powers to further protect this woman, especially given that she had no tie to CU and lived in Michigan. The notion that CU bears any responsibility to what happened to this woman seems ludicrous.

I have been involved with helping many victims of domestic abuse. I have sat listening while the victim, speaking with police, has changed the story to 'accidental trauma' instead of risking landing their significant other in jail. Until a victim is willing to report, there is little police can or will do from what I have seen and what I have been told numerous times. This is especially true when the abuse is reported second hand, as a suspicion, and never witnessed first hand. I have been told that all that can be done, realistically, is to encourage reporting by the victim. Given the notoriety of this case, the police may have called her in Michigan and changed the timetable by a day or two. Just as likely, the phone call may have scared her away from further reporting. 60 pages on Allbuffs, all the hand wringing, and hundreds of thousands of dollars spent on a possible lost day or two, after 2 1/2 years, seems exorbitant to me. As a side note, there is legal protection for wrongful reporting of child abuse. The reporting individual can't be sued civilly. I do not believe that protection covers wrongful reporting of domestic violence. Glad I don't work for CU.
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Buffnik said:
Why isn't anyone asking why OIEC didn't take more heat in this thing? No trainings of MM or RG since 2013 (and that one brief). Not even a training update after OIEC policies changed in 2014. That group has failed in its responsibilities and was so negligently absent from its duties that it's no wonder that MM and RG didn't think to call them. If we want to talk about where people should be fired and competent folks brought in, it's at OIEC.
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Excellent posts. End thread.
 
SDB said:
Come on....if someone calls you and says another person is COMMITTING a crime...you have a responsibility to report it to someone who can validate/verify/investigate. By NOT reporting this to the police IMMEDIATELY...which is common sense...the CU Admin did not do the right thing. But they didn't. Unbelievable that they did not immediately report this to the police.
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As a secondhand account with no proof and without the complaint, they would do nothing about it. Yes, the OIEC should have been contacted, however, like others have stated, Mac was trained, or notified of this department, in 2013, briefly. Probably didn't even know they existed.
 
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