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NO facilities announcement until spring
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So, you prefer the csu approach? Announce the new facility/ies and then warn that if you don't have the funding in 2 years, the deal is off? See, I believe CU is doing it the right way. Most of us have no idea where CU is with funding/donations or what they are hearing from donors. Maybe last spring they thought the "big donor" was going to come through and now Big D is waffling.
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They may be doing it the right way in terms of announcements. I have no problem with that.
My comment is much more general. These are inprovements that were needed a long time ago. The fact they are just getting around to raising the money is a joke. Furthermore, I expect financial support from the University (not just the AD) if there was any value placed on football. The University seems to have no clue how valuable football can be to the entire University.
I was thinking more of a rapper name.
Chromeburn
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Another way to look at this is. after everyone else is done with their facilties, we will be doing ours. so we will have the most recent and up to date facilities. Also, it allows us to look around the nation and see what works and what doesn't from everyone else's projects. At least I hope they are doing that.
dply
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What a sad life we live. :sad1:
way to look at the glass half full...but in seriousness, I really hope you are on to something here
fify.
Bohn was handcuffed at the Parade of Buffs. Apparently, he's dying to talk about the facility plans, how much progress has been made, how confident he is, and how this will be transformational in driving wins and fan experience for the next 50 years... but he wasn't allowed to say what he wants to tell us. I don't know how much this changes peoples' feelings (we're all in "show me" mode), but I wanted to get this out there to everyone.
as we discussed after the PoB, even handcuffed, he had the opportunity to really highlight the importance of what he was doing... and instead, did nothing but go, sorry.
MrFrumpylane
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Now I know you're not usually the sarcastic type, but since I am on my phone, I can't see if the sarcasm font is being used. So just confirming.. for realz?
For real.
There has to be a legitimate reason for this. I am at the "let the man do his job" stage. He has my support and, what the hell, my confidence as well. Why not? We have nothing to lose people. I think you gain a lot more by getting behind it rather than in front of it.
I agree. better position to be in.
yep - look no further than at all of the behind the scenes stuff CU did to become the first school to be invited to the Pac 10... remember it was at that same time Baylor was yapping in the media about how much they deserved to be a part of the action... CU stayed very quiet and got it done-
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The question is: Why not? If it's a matter of not having all the funding lined up, then I'm OK with it. If it's a matter of them feeling like they may never get the funding lined up, I'm going to be a lot more upset. I suspect it's the former, which is why I'm remaining patient. We, as fans, have very little choice but to be patient. It would be nice to know what is handcuffing him, though.
Once again, you and I agree. They are doing the feasibility study which, I'd imagine, will be looking at all the valid alternatives. They are dealing with funding, stakeholder buy in, etc. They are taking a conservative approach which can be frustrating. But not more frustrating than making some gradiose announcement than not being able to deliver. It is frustrating, however, that it is taking so long and that we, seemingly, can't take advantage of it during the recruiting period for football.
Yep. In my world of mega-projects we call it the Project Appraise stage and it always precedes financial sanction and long-lead contracting. Don't sign the check until you know that the best, fit for purpose alternative is chosen. My guess is that they have the money lined up and are setting up the project milestones and go-do's for each alternative in order to be able to NPV it prior to making one or two recommended courses to their money men. (I have been known to be irrationally positive when it comes to my BUFFS though = I lack objectivity on this so take my "wisdom" with a grain of salt)
This AD has a history of secrecy before big announcements. The move to the PAC is exhibit 1 in how well that can work. The current ****-show up in Ft Fun is exhibit 1 in how badly things go if you start talking publicly before you have everything already lined up.
Seriously, we've all made fun of CSU for how they've gone about their big plans, and rightly so. So far, we have done exactly the opposite of them:
So, now tell me: which way would you prefer CU do it?
*(Seriously,if it weren't for the fact that contracts have to be publicly bid out, would we even know about this?)
Seriously, we've all made fun of CSU for how they've gone about their big plans, and rightly so. So far, we have done exactly the opposite of them:
CSU | CU |
| Wait for conference realignment before doing anything | Lead the sea-change in conference realignment (Remember, CU was the first to actually move) |
| Make a lot of noise about wanting to get into your preferred conference | Quietly work behind the scenes to get into your preferred conference |
| Get rejected by preferred conference in fairly humiliating fashion | Get generously welcomed into preferred conference |
| Hire big "name" coach to salary that's probably unafordable with AD's current budget | Hire "within the family" to salary that's well within budget |
| Start talking up grand, new on-campus stadium | Only admit, when pressed, that "yeah, we're looking into new facilities" |
| Publicly disparage current facility | Talk up the good aspects of current facility |
| Make big deal of hiring "outside consultants" for feasibility study | Quietly engage consultants for feasibility study* |
| Publicly express desired outcome of feasibility study before and during time "study" is going on. | Publicly express no preference - just state that "we're looking at options" |
| Have zero, or near zero, firm financial commitments prior to presenting case to public | Ensure the vast majority of the funding is already firmly committed before any public discussion |
| Give opponents the thing that is most valuable for all NIMBY types and college football haters: time to organize. | Don't give opponents anything to actually "oppose" until the entire package is ready, and then give them the statutory minimal time to mobilize. |
So, now tell me: which way would you prefer CU do it?
*(Seriously,if it weren't for the fact that contracts have to be publicly bid out, would we even know about this?)
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Deleted member 807
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Lets not forget that Baylor (**** those guys) got a Heisman trophy, a football team that averages 54 points per game and a green light to build a new $250M football stadium. This has happened after CU's Pac12 announcement.
Now I'm no fan of Buddy Jones or Kenneth Starr. But I can respect the commitment that Baylor as a University has displayed towards digging their sorry asses off the doormat and to make something of themselves athletically.
I don't advocate that Bohn and above go about smearing others to get on top. And I don't condone cheating, murdering, and pissing on the countertops of bars. And I am opposed to Baylor's department of intelligent design being offered up in opposition to evolutionism.
But warts aside, I can respect the fact that Baylor's leadership clearly has been driven to athletic excellence and have not been asleep at the switch.
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Sure there's more than two ways, but I generally think it's a good idea to learn from other's mistakes. With the exception of the coach hiring (I'd probably prefer other options there) I do think that at least on these issues, taking the opposite approach of the lambs is probably a really good idea...
How CSU does things should not even be on our radar. Figure out how other BCS state schools have approached the issue and go from there.
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Great point.
I think its admirable how Tony Franks has publically linked football success with CSU's very real need to attract out of state students to Ft. Collins.
It would mean a lot of Misters Benson and DiStephano recognized that football and athletic success is a key ingredient in justyfying the premium out of state tuition prices. Very few public universities charge more for out of state tuition than CU. And with the percentage of out of state students in the high 40's, it is essential that high dollar out-of-state potential applicants are not turned off by the disarray and neglect of the football program.
It would be a breath of fresh air for some acknowledgement by the president that mistakes have been made. Then he should follow that with a crystal clear vision of how CU is going to elevate its sorry position as one of the worst teams in the nation back into some semblance of respectability.
You must work for an NGO.
Baylor is a private school. I guess you could almost argue that CU is too. But we are not.