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Offensive Line
- Thread starter patebuff
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It's amazing how a willingness to work hard at something makes it look easier.
I honestly don't know if MM just didn't like to recruit or if he really believed that he could beat better recruiters with player development.
In the end he lost his job because his teams couldn't compete at key positions where it was clear he wasn't developing guys who could compete with the better quality players opponents were recruiting.
It was clear that he had too many assistants who were either ineffective or simply unwilling to put the effort into recruiting, can't win that way.
Most coaches are big time into character.
In the end it cost him his job.
RG absolutely timed the change perfectly. The depth and talent that MM could attain is peaking, so RG dealt MT the best hand that he could.
Joe Theismann's Leg
Well-Known Member
I honestly have no idea what to expect from the OLine next year. I could see every position on the line changing under a new system. Honestly, could anyone accurately predict the depth chart at this point?
Not only do we have new coaches with their new philosophies and points of emphasis, but we don't even go into this with a firm grasp of whether a number of guys (Sherman, Moretti, Haigler, Vaughn, etc.) were developing into tackles or guards under the previous regime. It's nothing but question marks right now other than being pretty confident that Pursell is a center, that Lynott is a guard who can backup center if necessary, and that Fillip is a tackle.
To take a crack at it, here's how I'd at least group the players:
C - Pursell, Jynes
G - Lynott, Tonz, Sauvao, Kutsch, Ray, Johnson
T - Haigler, Vaughn, Lytle, Fillip, Senn, Wiley
Flex - Sherman, Moretti, Paige
I think that ideally Sherman puts on the weight to move to guard (he's only 6'3") and that Moretti recovers fully (supposedly it's about an inch a month for nerve damage to heal so he might be back to full health by camp) to move to tackle. But I'd also think that when camp starts the place it starts is with seniors and returning starters running with the 1s to get first crack at it. That would be Sherman-Tonz-Pursell-Lynott-Haigler until someone beats someone out to cause a shift.
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hawg1
Well-Known Member
This is not a quality group of possible starters. Some real issues on size and athleticism. At least two cycles of work to be done.
chitownbuff
Club Member
Hoping we can find a grad transfer tackle. That, and practicing against (an assumed) much better DL, would work wonders for the unit.
Right up near the top of the list of guys I remember who improved so much from junior to senior year.
To me, this indecision on where to develop the o-lineman was much more troubling, and detrimental to the players, than the leaner playing weight philosophy. Speaks to lack of true knowledge/experience in coaching the offensive lineman more than anything. Frustrated me to no end to see guys switching between tackle and guard (and occasionally center e.g. Lynott) due to rotations, not injury which should be the only reason you switch up positions like that.
I think that the weight and strength increases and the complete difference in the level of coaching could totally re-ignite the group. They are not bad kids, and they want to be good, so if they buy in, and they improve even 25-40%, that would be a huge difference. Also, run blocking is easier than pass pro, and I expect a lot of ball fakes in the pistol to help Montez have simple reads. I am also excited to see improvement because it will be obvious.
I want to believe Nik is right, but that group does not inspire much confidence. Depth seems non-existent.
Coming off of 2016, I bought the BS that the OL "was the best we have had around here for a while". In the back of my head, I was concerned that none of the OL, save Lynott, struck me as a P12 caliber player. Turns out I was more right than wrong.
It seems to me, the only P12 caliber players, who are not coming off major injury, are Lynott, and possibly Haigler and Sherman. I like Sherman a lot. Filip is still probably two years away, but I think he will be a good player. We are back to hoping guys who are recovering from major injuries (Moretti and Ray) can come in and save the day.
We are probably in for a couple of years of 6-6 ceilings because there is no way to sustain solid OL play. That is the way I see it.
It seems to me, the only P12 caliber players, who are not coming off major injury, are Lynott, and possibly Haigler and Sherman. I like Sherman a lot. Filip is still probably two years away, but I think he will be a good player. We are back to hoping guys who are recovering from major injuries (Moretti and Ray) can come in and save the day.
We are probably in for a couple of years of 6-6 ceilings because there is no way to sustain solid OL play. That is the way I see it.
Eh, the line was terrible this year and MM and co. were a few plays away from a 7-5/8-4 type season (I'm not calling these moral victories before anyone says so, just being realistic). If Mel Tucker and staff are much better than MM was like I think they could be, I would say 7-5/8-4 is realistic even with only slightly improved line play. I wouldn't say 6-6 is the ceiling at all.
I don't think 6-6 is the ceiling, but the schedules in 2019/2020 are a big step up from the last couple seasons.
Joe Theismann's Leg
Well-Known Member
I'm always confused by people who talk about 6-6 ceilings or other long rebuilding prospects. This is college football. Things can change really quickly.
True, but a lot of our problems are in the trenches. Gotta have those guys for it to change quickly. Hopefully, we'll have a back that can take over too.
I think the whole crew will be better in 2019. They were really young last year. I think another year of maturation plus a much better coach signals a much improved unit.
But hey, you can’t fall out of the basement.
But hey, you can’t fall out of the basement.
Medford M.
Well-Known Member
I'll ask again, is Roddick still with team? Unless I missed something, and he left, he's got the size MT seems to want.
I know he was injured last year.
I know he was injured last year.
Come on man. Hope is all I have.
It seems like the only guy we graduated was Kaiser. He was horrible anyway.
Am I missing someone?