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Official 2016 All-in-One Assistant Coaches Compendium Thread - hagan in, bernardi to te, adams ol -

NW Buff said:
I'm sorry but you're nuts. How many missed fgs do you need to see before you decide that ST is pretty ****ing important?
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What is the yardage differential we have to make up because of our inability to return punts and to cover punts, KO return differential, points lost on blocked kicks, easy scores for the opponent off blocked punts.

If it were just one thing we could see an argument that he might be able to fix it or bring in somebody who can. We are losing virtually every aspect of the STs game and neither our offense or our defense is good enough to overcome the differential.
 
NW Buff said:
I'm sorry but you're nuts. How many missed fgs do you need to see before you decide that ST is pretty ****ing important?
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We will agree to disagree, in my eyes you triage what you can, and handle the biggest holes first. OC/DC are the most important slots you worry about them first as an HC and move down the line from there. If you have a chance to significantly upgrade the OC you focus there.
 
buffaholic said:
Not sure we ever heard from those 4.
Are we hearing anything from Jim Leavitt?
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He's staying I think. The openings/hypothetical openings the talking heads were speaking of him for (K-State and UCF) are spoken for. UCF wants Dino Babers, and if they wait a couple days, they can save 100k on his buyout. Darth Snyder is going to keep coaching until he can't walk anymore. Am I going to get laughed at if I say we should bring back Shawn Watson to call plays? He'll be available....
 
ahoelsken said:
He's staying I think. The openings/hypothetical openings the talking heads were speaking of him for (K-State and UCF) are spoken for. UCF wants Dino Babers, and if they wait a couple days, they can save 100k on his buyout. Darth Snyder is going to keep coaching until he can't walk anymore. Am I going to get laughed at if I say we should bring back Shawn Watson to call plays? He'll be available....
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AhhHHshshHshhaahahahahhaah
 
absinthe said:
We will agree to disagree, in my eyes you triage what you can, and handle the biggest holes first. OC/DC are the most important slots you worry about them first as an HC and move down the line from there. If you have a chance to significantly upgrade the OC you focus there.
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I disagree. Our biggest hole is ST. Football is a game of momentum, and ST has a way of killing momentum at CU more often than not. Thats how you know Neinas is doing such a ****ty job. Ignoring ST would be the same as ignoring the running game in importance. How many games do you think ST cost us this year?
 
Darth Snow said:
AhhHHshshHshhaahahahahhaah
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Watson isn't an offensive genius, but he's an upgrade over the clown we currently have calling plays. No fly sweeps inside the five yard line, go routes to possession receivers, or fade routes to short receivers. Not only that, but he'd take full advantage of having a talent at RB who runs with purpose like Phillip Lindsay.
 
ahoelsken said:
Watson isn't an offensive genius, but he's an upgrade over the clown we currently have calling plays. No fly sweeps inside the five yard line, go routes to possession receivers, or fade routes to short receivers. Not only that, but he'd take full advantage of having a talent at RB who runs with purpose like Phillip Lindsay.
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Visions of 2005 Iowa State are dancing in my head right now.
 
ahoelsken said:
Watson isn't an offensive genius, but he's an upgrade over the clown we currently have calling plays. No fly sweeps inside the five yard line, go routes to possession receivers, or fade routes to short receivers. Not only that, but he'd take full advantage of having a talent at RB who runs with purpose like Phillip Lindsay.
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Nice troll work
 
I'm not high on Lindgren, but I'd honestly rather keep him as OC if the alternative was Watson.
 
ahoelsken said:
Watson isn't an offensive genius, but he's an upgrade over the clown we currently have calling plays. No fly sweeps inside the five yard line, go routes to possession receivers, or fade routes to short receivers. Not only that, but he'd take full advantage of having a talent at RB who runs with purpose like Phillip Lindsay.
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Shawn Watson's best bet to get coordinator money again is to join a staff that already has an offensive coordinator and solely be the QB coach. He is better at developing them than he is at scripting their gameplan. Then, when things don't work out with the offense and the coordinator is stripped of his duties or fired Watson will be handed the reins, possibly improve slightly, and then get the chance to repeat it the following year. The model that worked for him at Louisville and got him to join Charlie in Texas when they struck out finding top coordinators who wanted to walk into that mess.
 
fatbuff said:
I disagree. Our biggest hole is ST. Football is a game of momentum, and ST has a way of killing momentum at CU more often than not. Thats how you know Neinas is doing such a ****ty job. Ignoring ST would be the same as ignoring the running game in importance. How many games do you think ST cost us this year?
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Going from bottom third in Offense to say top third wins us more games than than doing the same for us on ST.

All Diego had to make to be top 1/3 would have been make 5 field goals. He was perfect from exp so if he dropped to top 1/3 there he'd have given back 1-2 pts on the season. So over the course of the year when he missed the kicks how many of those games get changed? that is 1-2 pts per game.

By contrast our offensive regression dropped us from top 1/3rd last year to bottom 1/4th this year. 10 PPG - so to play devils advocate middling to poor ST or offensive regression whats worse?
 
Triage is also about ease of treatment. It's a lot easier to find somebody who can take over as special teams coordinator than it is to find an upgrade over Lindgren at OC. In all honesty, Tom McCartney at Fairview would be a huge upgrade. Bob Simmons at BHS would be a huge upgrade. You can't swing a dead cat in Boulder without hitting a guy who would be an upgrade at ST.

Finding a legit Pac 12 OC? Yeah, that's not quite as easy.
 
It also makes sense that special teams are an area where significant improvement can be made much faster than on offense or defense. You don't have to develop the specific skills and timing needed on O and D. In terms of immediate significant improvement STs may be our best opportunity.
 
Someone needs to come in and fix Diego and/or get Graham going, no way we get another scholarship kicker.
 
OC is a much more important staff position than STC.

I don't see how there's a debate on that.
 
Buffnik said:
OC is a much more important staff position than STC.

I don't see how there's a debate on that.
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There should be no debate. OC would also be a more difficult position to upgrade that STC and be substantially more disruptive to the program.

That doesn't mean I don't think it could/should be done, only that more consideration needs to be taken in doing so. Replacing Nienas is a no brainer.
 
ahoelsken said:
He's staying I think. The openings/hypothetical openings the talking heads were speaking of him for (K-State and UCF) are spoken for. UCF wants Dino Babers, and if they wait a couple days, they can save 100k on his buyout. Darth Snyder is going to keep coaching until he can't walk anymore. Am I going to get laughed at if I say we should bring back Shawn Watson to call plays? He'll be available....
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May you be consigned to the depths of hell for this. May you watch bubble screens on 3rd and 9 for all eternity.
 
MtnBuff said:
There should be no debate. OC would also be a more difficult position to upgrade that STC and be substantially more disruptive to the program.

That doesn't mean I don't think it could/should be done, only that more consideration needs to be taken in doing so. Replacing Nienas is a no brainer.
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Why is it substantially more difficult to upgrade? We see OCs change all the time around college and pro football with immediate results the next season.

I think you guys are going on a belief that's not based in fact.
 
Buffnik said:
Why is it substantially more difficult to upgrade? We see OCs change all the time around college and pro football with immediate results the next season.

I think you guys are going on a belief that's not based in fact.
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OC has to be able to fit with the offensive position coaches and with the talent available. OC is a bigger job, more technically involved.

We do see OC changes that make substantial improvement in a short period of time, we also see a lot that don't.

I am not arguing against an upgrade of OC, all things considered I would support it. I would argue though that the ST position can be an easier and faster change.
 
absinthe said:
Going from bottom third in Offense to say top third wins us more games than than doing the same for us on ST.

All Diego had to make to be top 1/3 would have been make 5 field goals. He was perfect from exp so if he dropped to top 1/3 there he'd have given back 1-2 pts on the season. So over the course of the year when he missed the kicks how many of those games get changed? that is 1-2 pts per game.

By contrast our offensive regression dropped us from top 1/3rd last year to bottom 1/4th this year. 10 PPG - so to play devils advocate middling to poor ST or offensive regression whats worse?
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1. This is impossible to know because it's like Back to The Future. 1 change positive/negative then changes everything afterwards. I could easily argue that missed/blocked FG's were critical against ZONA, UCLA, USC, & UTAH. Then the blocked punt against Hawaii proved to be critical as it turned into a quick 7 for Hawaii in the 1st 5 minutes of a must-win season opener.

2. Buffs finished last in the country in blocked kicks allowed & they finished second to last in blocked punts allowed. There was no middling, it was an abomination. Lindgren/Sefo set positive records in '14 which implies regression could just as easily swing upwards.
 
White_Rabbit said:
there's no way mac can't take 5 minutes to fire neinas and hire the very next human being he sees. instant upgrade
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Human? He could hire the next life form he sees. A reasonably prudent racoon could be an improvement over neinas. Actually, a racoon would be a better fit for dl coach. Need that ferocity.
 
Lindgren certainly seemed like THE GUY we wanted when HCMM came to town.

However, after reading these posts, I have to agree with Nik and others that believe he needs to go.

The offense and Sefo regressed. He is the OC and QB coach, so that falls on him. PLUS Sefo was NOT his recruit. We have yet to see if his QB recruiting ability is good AT ALL (doesn't look great so far and could set us back BIG TIME!!!).

As a CU fan through all of this last **** ass 15 years... I will remain hopeful that we can someday shed this horrible loser mindset and program and get people in place that engineer our return to relevance. BUT I will not be surprised if we fire 4 and find out after that nobody wants their jobs or we only fire one coach and bring back the same staff basically.
 
He has one bad year... Let's roast him at the stake!
15 years of losing makes Allbuffs like Salem.
 
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