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Official 2025 Opening Week - Georgia Tech Thread

Ok, then I’m not sure what you’re arguing. The people I see defending the defense here are mostly saying they did enough not that they were amazing or even good. I thought the failures on offense were much more glaring but I’m willing to accept that others don’t agree

I don't agree with @Corey Trevorson on very much, but I think he is that saying both the offense and defense were sub-par and outplayed, which the graphs show. Except for the opening TD, there was no real momentum for CU. GA Tech is a good team, so props to them on playing well.

On defense, CT makes a great point that any CU D giving up 320 yards on the ground at home is not getting it done, hence with those numbers the probability of winning the game is already low. @The Alabaster Yak made good points about those ill-timed defensive penalties, where they could have got GT off the field with less yards, but did not. They did make some stops for FG's, but they gave up 279 yards in a half w/ 3 TOs. TO's are great, but you also need stops to really seize momentum.

On offense, same point that they did not do enough. 2 turnovers were gifts, the interception was sort of a gift too. After 3 TO, O's average starting position about midfield. O result, 11 plays-45 yards and 7 points. TO's are great, but the O needs to score of the TO. Our O basically laid an egg. In 1st half, CU's O had 1 sustained drive for a FG.

Put that together once Tech's O started rolling, TOP 19min-11min at the half. 18-5 on 1st downs. Colorado ran 23 plays on O, Tech 42. GT 279 yards O, CU 119 O. Those are rough numbers all the way around. The O played better in the 2nd half and the D got a few stops, but CU did not get any real momentum during the game, however somehow we were still in it. D was on the field too long and it finally caved. Blame Prime and O for foibles on the last drive, but they started with 1:07 left needing 75 yard drive for TD. Absent a Hail Mary, I could not envision that O doing this on opening night, since we hardly threw downfield all game.
 
I love it when people dig in and simply say the exact same thing over and over again for pages. Like somehow it is going to change a bunch of other peoples' opinions on the 97th try repeating the same point.
Well, when people keep saying the same incorrect things over and over, us wise and intelligent ones who are never wrong must correct these imbeciles over and over.
 
Prime was prepped for his presser about the timeouts and he got his point across with no other questions about how after the throw went out of the endzone, his receivers were exhausted and pretty sure that not everyone could catch their breath or that everyone knew exactly where to run to. I love his conviction, but man, give a little and get a little, EVERYONE in the entire country said you needed to use at least 1 or likely both of those timeouts just for organization, not clock management
 
Yeah, this shouldn't be an either/or situation in the blame game. Both sides of the ball had good moments and both had bad moments. Had the offense scored a TD and FG on the two other turnover possessions to be up 17-0 in the 1Q, maybe the defense is in a better spot and GT isn't just running it down their throat. On the flip side, the defense failed to get off the field, had two penalties on 3rd down stops that extended scoring drives and only forced two punts all game.

Both sides need to be much better.
I would really like to see us stop putting ourselves in a bad position and do like most legitimate programs do by scheduling a first game that allows us to get things put together without taking a loss in the process. GT is an upper level ACC program with an unconventional offense and a QB who is a significant difference maker. We simply were not ready. On offense KS had some bad decisions that are likely attributable in part to first game jitters.

Unless there is a real benefit to doing so like a big payout and having a prime slot in front of the nation (Friday night late is not that) then schedule a mid quality G5, don't kill the excitement of a new season risking a loss due to trying to get things together.
 
I would really like to see us stop putting ourselves in a bad position and do like most legitimate programs do by scheduling a first game that allows us to get things put together without taking a loss in the process. GT is an upper level ACC program with an unconventional offense and a QB who is a significant difference maker. We simply were not ready. On offense KS had some bad decisions that are likely attributable in part to first game jitters.

Unless there is a real benefit to doing so like a big payout and having a prime slot in front of the nation (Friday night late is not that) then schedule a mid quality G5, don't kill the excitement of a new season risking a loss due to trying to get things together.
I see this matter both ways. I agree about putting things together. The nubs have done this forever.
I do like always playing anyone else anywhere mentality. Not scared to play the big games. When we did schedule the "pushover" we lost some of those which is even worse for the program.
I am on the fence here.
 
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Prime was prepped for his presser about the timeouts and he got his point across with no other questions about how after the throw went out of the endzone, his receivers were exhausted and pretty sure that not everyone could catch their breath or that everyone knew exactly where to run to. I love his conviction, but man, give a little and get a little, EVERYONE in the entire country said you needed to use at least 1 or likely both of those timeouts just for organization, not clock management
Pretty defensive today.
 
I see this matter both ways. I agree about putting things together. The nubs have done this forever.
I do like always playing anyone else anywhere mentality. Not scared to play the big games. When we did schedule the "pushover" we lost some of those which is even worse for the program.
I am on the fence here.
Schedule quality OOC opponents, just not the first game.

Now I know that schedules are made far in advance and I'm sure that when this was scheduled GT expected us to be the easy win but if we plan on being serious in the future we need to fix this.
 
The absolute best way to watch what Shurmur, K Salter, and the Buffs did against GT is watching T-Cal

From the first play you can see and hear all kinds of mess in formations, motions, options, reads, etc.

 
Prime’s presser responses today about critiques of his game management as well as Shurmer’s **** play calling kind of pissed me off. Accept that you ****ed up with the timeouts and learn from it. His answers on that today tells me he has no plans to improve his game management.
 
The absolute best way to watch what Shurmur, K Salter, and the Buffs did against GT is watching T-Cal

From the first play you can see and hear all kinds of mess in formations, motions, options, reads, etc.


Love the film breakdown, but he's wrong at 12:55. We're in bunch left with 4 over 3. No matter the call, with the defensive look they're giving us the QB should check backside pre-snap to see if he's got a one-on-one matchup he likes.

But here's the thing with having a transfer QB and a transfer RB split wide on that side: Salter doesn't yet know/trust what he has in Taylor or what Taylor is can do at this point, so he stays with the play (a bit too long) before scrambling and finally looking backside.

Not taking a shot at anyone, but last year SS2 goes backside on this play from the get-go.
 
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The absolute best way to watch what Shurmur, K Salter, and the Buffs did against GT is watching T-Cal

From the first play you can see and hear all kinds of mess in formations, motions, options, reads, etc.


Also, at 16:05 that is not a true RPO. That is a set play made to look like an RPO. That flick pass is the only option. They ran it all the time in August and never once was the ball given on the mesh.
 
Also, at 16:05 that is not a true RPO. That is a set play made to look like an RPO. That flick pass is the only option. They ran it all the time in August and never once was the ball given on the mesh.
I admit that I don’t know a lot about rpo but I don’t get why you’d design a play to look like an option with no option unless you don’t trust your qb to make the right read.
 
Love the film breakdown, but he's wrong at 12:55. We're in bunch left with 4 over 3. No matter the call, with the defensive look they're giving us the QB should check backside pre-snap to see if he's got a one-on-one matchup he likes.

But here's the thing with having a transfer QB and a transfer RB split wide on that side: Salter doesn't yet know/trust what he has in Taylor or what Taylor is going do at this point, so he stays with the play (a bit too long) before scrambling and finally looking backside.

Not taking a shot at anyone, but last year SS2 goes backside on this play from the get-go.
That entire "he's new" or "he's a transfer" or "it's his first game at this level" doesn't fly with me. Every team has transfers that start, especially at QB. Do all of those players take until game 6 before they are comfy without their blanky? Either you perform or you dont. It's simple , are you skilled enough to make plays and make the right decisions where you are playing now. Other players around the country are taking advantage of their new situation, all I'm hearing are excuses. Players and coaches need to do better, period.
 
I was worried about losing the defensive transfers at LB and along the DL. We also put some very good dudes in the NFL. The DL is not as deep or talented as it was last year. The offense is also not as skilled at WR / QB and while the OL looked better, I didn't see RB's running untouched 6 yards downfield or any ingenuity in play calling to get people open when necessary, on 3rd down. My biggest take away from the game was on a 3rd and manageable I wasn't confident we could pick up a 1st down running or passing and I was quietly hoping the play would break down and the QB would just run for a 1st down. This is probably a team that ends up somewhere between 7-5 and 5-7 unless they catch a lucky break.
 
That entire "he's new" or "he's a transfer" or "it's his first game at this level" doesn't fly with me. Every team has transfers that start, especially at QB. Do all of those players take until game 6 before they are comfy without their blanky? Either you perform or you dont. It's simple , are you skilled enough to make plays and make the right decisions where you are playing now. Other players around the country are taking advantage of their new situation, all I'm hearing are excuses. Players and coaches need to do better, period.
Salter was not good, he made some bad decisions in forcing bad passes instead of taking significant yards available simply by pulling the ball down and running into open spaces in front of him.

Wasn't watching super closely because I had no idea he would be here this year but I saw him play a couple of times last year. In those games he did make the appropriate decisions in terms of using his legs, he was also much more accurate than he showed against GT.

I hope and expect that the GT game was an aberation for him. He has a lot of experience but starting for and playing against power conference teams in that environment is different than what he has dealt with before. He has the ability to step up, if he doesn't then it isn't as if there is no other option.

We do need to be realistic though with both QBs. Salter has won a lot of football games, he has rushed for over 2,000 yards in his college career. That said he is not close the the polished passer we had with Shedeur. He has hovered around being a 60% passer the last couple years, good average per completion and a solid TD/INT ratio but he isn't going to be an elite pass predominant QB.
 
Salter was not good, he made some bad decisions in forcing bad passes instead of taking significant yards available simply by pulling the ball down and running into open spaces in front of him.

Wasn't watching super closely because I had no idea he would be here this year but I saw him play a couple of times last year. In those games he did make the appropriate decisions in terms of using his legs, he was also much more accurate than he showed against GT.

I hope and expect that the GT game was an aberation for him. He has a lot of experience but starting for and playing against power conference teams in that environment is different than what he has dealt with before. He has the ability to step up, if he doesn't then it isn't as if there is no other option.

We do need to be realistic though with both QBs. Salter has won a lot of football games, he has rushed for over 2,000 yards in his college career. That said he is not close the the polished passer we had with Shedeur. He has hovered around being a 60% passer the last couple years, good average per completion and a solid TD/INT ratio but he isn't going to be an elite pass predominant QB.
Did Salter play a very mediocre game = Yes.
Can he play much better: Yes.
Should we have to wait 2-3 games for him to get straight: No.
Is that why Juju is getting multiple series Saturday: Yes.

Should Salter still be the guy: Yes.
 
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