Official Colorado vs ASU Basketball Game Thread

[tante]

I don't believe anyone is claiming he played "amazing" defense. So you're basically mounting an argument against a non-existent party. What I am purporting is that Jahi has the ability to absolutely take over a game and put up 30-40 pts. XT did an admirable job at forcing him into bad/hurried shots and help defenders like Scott and Gordon. This helped us win the game, which by the way, I feel you are overlooking the fact that WE WON THE GAME GOING AWAY.

and my argument is that he did a worse job defending him than his counterpart at Arizona, USC, Washington, and Cal. I didn't go back and look at every game that ASU played this year and don't want to look at teams like Oregon (who suck at defense) or OSU/WSU who play zone defense. Here is what Talton said in his post game presser:

“It’s hard stopping good players. We knew that he liked to go right and he got there quite a bit, but we tried to cut that off and we tried to let him shoot contested jump shots. That’s what our plan was to do.”

Now do you think that he took a lot of contested jump shots?

 

[Gary Indiana]

My only conclusion from your entire pointless argument is that at some point Xavier Talton must have banged your wife. No other reason to be on this kind of war path after a great win.

 

[absinthe]

once again I am not saying Talton should have shut him down, but I would have expected to be aware that Carson likes to drive and that he pretty much can only drive to his right. Unless the gameplan was to get beat off the dribble and stay off his left him and push him into Scott so Scott could alter his shot, then it was a perfect game plan.

Not sure what you are unhappy wiuth about XT's effort last night, here is carsons average state line:
18.8 points
4.4 Boards
4.6 Dimes
15 shots
43% shooting
39% from three
6.7 FTA
3.8 TO's

Last night:
18 points
7 Boards (5 on the defensive end, XT gets back he doesnt crash)
1 Assist
15 shots
33% shooting
33% from three
8 FTA
5 TO

No blocks no steals

Jahii is on many draft boards as a 1st round draft pick. If you are taking issue with XT holing him below his season averages in: Points, assists, Shooting %, and 3pt% while forcing more turnovers - then I don't know what to tell you. Given the assumed talent gap (by people on this board) between the two Jahii should have been above he season average in every category.

 

[absinthe]

Ski finally rose to the occasion.

Huh?

 

[Darth Snow]

Not to mention teams take a large portion of their shots at the rim against us. They just don't make many of them (relatively). Talton did his job as designed.

 

[tante]

I don't think that Talton did a good job forcing Carson into jumpers like his defensive assignment (from his own words) said he should do.

 

[sackman]

I saw four O boards on one possession, the hustle was there.

There were five O boards in that possession. It was sick. There was a TV timeout in the middle of the possession. Finally ended up with two points from the line out of it. That was the turning point of the game, IMO. ASU couldn't buy a rebound there. It was actually kind of funny. And by "funny", I mean "totally awesome".

 

[Darth Snow]

There were five O boards in that possession. It was sick. There was a TV timeout in the middle of the possession. Finally ended up with two points from the line out of it. That was the turning point of the game, IMO. ASU couldn't buy a rebound there. It was actually kind of funny. And by "funny", I mean "totally awesome".

Back breaker. Loved it.

 

[BuffNut99]

I LOVED the offensive possession where we got something like four (maybe five?) consecutive offensive rebounds, took a chunk of time off the clock, got a foul on Bachynski and XJ made both FTs. Their entire D was halved over afterwards, and I don't think they had the energy to comeback.

 

[BuffLuke80]

Damn you'd think we lost the game lol. Defense as a whole was pretty good I'd say. That one white guy pissed me off hitting those 3s, seems like we have that happen sometimes lol. Good team effort and Scott continues to impress me. He tore that dude a new ahole last night. The cool thing is, he's not a one trick pony. He boards, scores, and plays good D. He gets a little more strength and weight, look the hell out.

 

[sackman]

Back breaker. Loved it.

Definitely. For a team like ASU that is built on physical play and rebounding, that must have been very demoralizing for them. Too bad.

 

[sackman]

I LOVED the offensive possession where we got something like four (maybe five?) consecutive offensive rebounds, took a chunk of time off the clock, got a foul on Bachynski and XJ made both FTs. Their entire D was halved over afterwards, and I don't think they had the energy to comeback.

It was five. There were four rebounds prior to the TV timeout, and another one after. It was surreal. It was like CU wasn't going to accept a scoreless possession.

I don't have the exact numbers, but that one possession probably took two minutes off the clock.

 

[BuffLuke80]

I thought it was 4 but 5 is better lol. That's not an easy thing to do.

 

[tante]

It was five. There were four rebounds prior to the TV timeout, and another one after. It was surreal. It was like CU wasn't going to accept a scoreless possession.

I don't have the exact numbers, but that one possession probably took two minutes off the clock.

hmmm two different play by plays are showing 4. I remember that sequence but can't remember the amount of rebounds. Either way it was awesome.

Hopkins, Thomas, team? then the tv timeout and Hopkins again

 

[BuffNut99]

It was five. There were four rebounds prior to the TV timeout, and another one after. It was surreal. It was like CU wasn't going to accept a scoreless possession.

I don't have the exact numbers, but that one possession probably took two minutes off the clock.

Per ESPN's play-by-play, four offensive rebounds and almost a minute and a half of possession time.

11:53		35-38	Askia Booker missed Jumper.
11:53		35-38	Jaron Hopkins Offensive Rebound.
11:34		35-38	Jaron Hopkins missed Jumper.
11:34		35-38	Dustin Thomas Offensive Rebound.
11:08		35-38	Xavier Talton missed Jumper.
11:08	Bo Barnes Block.	35-38
11:08		35-38	Colorado Offensive Rebound.
11:08	Official TV Timeout
11:00		35-38	Askia Booker missed Jumper.
11:00		35-38	Jaron Hopkins Offensive Rebound.
10:34	Foul on Jordan Bachynski.	35-38
10:34		35-39	Xavier Johnson made Free Throw.
10:34		35-40	Xavier Johnson made Free Throw.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

Jahii's posessions where he drove into the lane. Did my best to explain the possession and result of the play. XT did his job about as best as he could agaisnt the #2 scorer in the Pac-12


Game Time, possession, defender, PTS

19:01, pull up 17ft jumper air ball, XT
17:34, drive forced left turnover, XT
16:50, pull up 30ft jumper made, XT, 3
14:43, drive forced left kickout, XT
14:23 drive right made layup, XJ, 5
Jahii on the Bench
8:22, driving from the right fouled no shot, XT
8:15, pull up 30ft jumper missed, XT
6:12, driving right cut off pull up 7ft jumper fouled 2/2ft's, team, 7
5:42, driving right blocked, Gordon
5:32 driving right pull up 10ft air ball, Gordon
Jahii on the bench
:02,pull up 25ft jumper missed

2nd Half

19:21, Drive right made layup, XT, 9
18:45, Drive right blocked shot, XT and Scott
17:20, Drive left missed layup, Scott
16:36, Drive left made layup, XT, 11
Jahii on the bench
13:01, Drive right made layup, XT, 13
12:39, Drive right redirected left under the basket missed layup, XT
BUFFS get 4 ORB (one of the best parts of the game)
8:55, Drive left missed layup fouled 1/2ft, XT, 14
8:10, Drive forced left kickout, JHop
6:27, drive right stopped kickout, JHop
3:52, drive right missed layup, XT
2:40, drive right redirected to his left hand under the basket missed layup, XT
1:26, drive right missed layup fouled 2/2ft, XT, 16
:30, drive right redirected left turnover, Scott
:26, stupid foul at midcourt 2/2ft, XT (fouled out), 18

 

[absinthe]

Other than the mid court foul I don't see much to complain about.

 

[sackman]

Well, OK then. I could have sworn I saw five rebounds. I'm not complaining about four in one possession, though. It was one helluva stretch.

 

[tante]

Jahii's posessions where he drove into the lane. Did my best to explain the possession and result of the play. XT did his job about as best as he could agaisnt the #2 scorer in the Pac-12


Game Time, possession, defender, PTS

19:01, pull up 17ft jumper air ball, XT
17:34, drive forced left turnover, XT
16:50, pull up 30ft jumper made, XT, 3
14:43, drive forced left kickout, XT
14:23 drive right made layup, XJ, 5
Jahii on the Bench
8:22, driving from the right fouled no shot, XT
8:15, pull up 30ft jumper missed, XT
6:12, driving right cut off pull up 7ft jumper fouled 2/2ft's, team, 7
5:42, driving right blocked, Gordon
5:32 driving right pull up 10ft air ball, Gordon
Jahii on the bench
:02,pull up 25ft jumper missed

2nd Half

19:21, Drive right made layup, XT, 9
18:45, Drive right blocked shot, XT and Scott
17:20, Drive left missed layup, Scott
16:36, Drive left made layup, XT, 11
Jahii on the bench
13:01, Drive right made layup, XT, 13
12:39, Drive right redirected left under the basket missed layup, XT
BUFFS get 4 ORB (one of the best parts of the game)
8:55, Drive left missed layup fouled 1/2ft, XT, 14
8:10, Drive forced left kickout, JHop
6:27, drive right stopped kickout, JHop
3:52, drive right missed layup, XT
2:40, drive right redirected to his left hand under the basket missed layup, XT
1:26, drive right missed layup fouled 2/2ft, XT, 16
:30, drive right redirected left turnover, Scott
:26, stupid foul at midcourt 2/2ft, XT (fouled out), 18

good stuff. thanks for doing this. I only remember his driving left once, but it looks like it was obviously more. So now the million dollar question. Why did Carson take so many more shots at the rim last night than usual?

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

good stuff. thanks for doing this. I only remember his driving left once, but it looks like it was obviously more. So now the million dollar question. Why did Carson take so many more shots at the rim last night than usual?

I think that may come from our post defense focused on shutting down JB, which worked. Jahii was the only scoring threat for most of the night, he had to be aggressive and he had to drive.

 

[Darth Snow]

good stuff. thanks for doing this. I only remember his driving left once, but it looks like it was obviously more. So now the million dollar question. Why did Carson take so many more shots at the rim last night than usual?

So scott could get his block numbers.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

Two things I don't like about XT's box score, 1 shot attempt and 5pf. Love the Asst-To ratio and the 4reb.

DT played like he belongs last night. Good to see.

 

[Buffnik]

good stuff. thanks for doing this. I only remember his driving left once, but it looks like it was obviously more. So now the million dollar question. Why did Carson take so many more shots at the rim last night than usual?

Short answer: he's incredibly quick and XT couldn't cut off his 1st step, relying on making Carson take tough shots over his length advantage instead. For the most part it worked & Carson wasn't given space to take jump shots in order to compensate.

 

[sackman]

XJ with 11 points is shocking to me, given how he started the game. I think he missed his first five foul shots.

 

[tante]

I think that may come from our post defense focused on shutting down JB, which worked. Jahii was the only scoring threat for most of the night, he had to be aggressive and he had to drive.

It looks like the pace was a bit slower last night. They usually average 56 shots a game and took 54 last night. They took 25 3s as opposed to their usual 20. It seems like Carson was the only ASU player actually trying to get to the rim.

Where they got absolutely destroyed last night was on the glass, which gave us some extra possessions. Bachynski took 5 shots last night and his usual is 7.3. What is amazing is that he averages 11.9 points, 8.8 boards and 4.5 blocks and was held to 4 points, 3 rebounds and 1 block. Scott completely owned him last night.

 

[Bone Buff]

Ski's line is interesting. On most nights where he goes 5-17 shooting, things usually get real ugly, but he started finding other ways to be effective.

 

[Shldr2Shldr]

It looks like the pace was a bit slower last night. They usually average 56 shots a game and took 54 last night. They took 25 3s as opposed to their usual 20. It seems like Carson was the only ASU player actually trying to get to the rim.

Where they got absolutely destroyed last night was on the glass, which gave us some extra possessions. Bachynski took 5 shots last night and his usual is 7.3. What is amazing is that he averages 11.9 points, 8.8 boards and 4.5 blocks and was held to 4 points, 3 rebounds and 1 block. Scott completely owned him last night.

jermaine marshall: AVG Reb:3 Blk:.5 Stl:.8 Pts:15.8 vsCU: Reb:1 Blk:0 Stl:2 Pts:7

Jordan Bachynski: AVG Reb:8.8 Blk:4.5 Stl:.3 Pts:11.9 vsCU: Reb:3 Blk:1 Stl:0 Pts:4

Shaquielle McKissic: AVG Reb:5.3 Blk:0 Stl:1.4 Pts:8.5 vsCU: Reb:9 Blk:0 Stl:0 Pts:6

Eric Jacobson: AVG Reb:2.2 Blk:.4 Stl:.2 Pts:2.6 vsCU: Reb:5 Blk:0 Stl:1 Pts:2

Jahii Carson: AVG Reb:4.4 Ast:4.6 Blk:.1 Stl:.7 Pts:18.8 vsCU: Reb:7 Ast:1 Blk:0 Stl:0 Pts:18

 

[tante]

Ski's line is interesting. On most nights where he goes 5-17 shooting, things usually get real ugly, but he started finding other ways to be effective.

watching Ski and XJ both play the way they did in the first half was terrifying.

 

[tante]

slider is doing some quality research here guys. You should hit him up with some rep.

 

[Buffnik]

watching Ski and XJ both play the way they did in the first half was terrifying.

I trust them so much at this point that I was excited instead of terrified. I said to Snow that I love how the Buffs were able to go into halftime with a lead despite only 2 combined points from Ski & XJ. I knew they'd get their's in the 2nd half.

That 2nd half (after sleepwalking the first couple minutes) was a thorough ass kicking. The only thing that kept the score from being a 15-20 point spread was that fortunate sequence ASU had when they hit like 4/5 from 3pt range during a short stretch. Only life they showed and the Buffs answered.