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Official CU vs Delaware Game Thread

Sandman said:
On the plus side, I feel like the team is more disciplined than last year. Based on what I’m seeing, mistakes on the field this year seem to be more about new guys learning the system than guys playing outside the system in an attempt to make an eye-catching play.

I would like to see more plays from under center in 3rd or 4th and short. But it looks like more and more teams are playing from the shotgun in those situations.
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Unless you count a complete inability of the first guy to get to the ball carrier to make the tackle outside of McKinney.
 
Corey Trevorson said:
Shockingly he was actually really good at Liberty from 10+ yards, especially in 2023.

Why none of that is carrying over is beyond me.
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Guys were wide open. Liberty was loaded for that level of play and this was before the G5s outside of Liberty was NIL ready. There was about 40 FCS schools that would beat G5s that season. A lot of change took place that next season. G5s realize they got NIL too and raided the FCS. Liberty got raided by the P4s. Etc. Just like Prime benefitted from the portal in 2023 many teams got crushed. Liberty was crushing teams too with their money but 2024, they got raided.

I think the Veer and Shoot would be a good scheme for Kaidon on a stacked squad. That said, his acceleration issues is noticeable at this level. Even against Delaware, he just doesn't have that initial burst. As a QB, you need acceleration.
 
Sandman said:
On the plus side, I feel like the team is more disciplined than last year. Based on what I’m seeing, mistakes on the field this year seem to be more about new guys learning the system than guys playing outside the system in an attempt to make an eye-catching play.

I would like to see more plays from under center in 3rd or 4th and short. But it looks like more and more teams are playing from the shotgun in those situations.
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Good point. But did you think we missed it the first time you said it several posts above?
 
Da Lama said:
No, they don't. Salter cannot make accurate throws beyond 20 yards. I've said this since the beginning of camp.
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So would you just not play him? Someone that inaccurate can't be allowed to throw intermediate routes. About the safest pass is a deep ball. Chance at a big play, keeps the DBs honest, and worst case scenario is equivalent to punting 1-3 downs early.
 
#1 pick said:
Guys were wide open. Liberty was loaded for that level of play and this was before the G5s outside of Liberty was NIL ready. There was about 40 FCS schools that would beat G5s that season. A lot of change took place that next season. G5s realize they got NIL too and raided the FCS. Liberty got raided by the P4s. Etc. Just like Prime benefitted from the portal in 2023 many teams got crushed. Liberty was crushing teams too with their money but 2024, they got raided.

I think the Veer and Shoot would be a good scheme for Kaidon on a stacked squad. That said, his acceleration issues is noticeable at this level. Even against Delaware, he just doesn't have that initial burst. As a QB, you need acceleration.
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He glides & strides as a runner much more than I expected. Runs like he's 6'6" or something.
 
#1 pick said:
Guys were wide open. Liberty was loaded for that level of play and this was before the G5s outside of Liberty was NIL ready. There was about 40 FCS schools that would beat G5s that season. A lot of change took place that next season. G5s realize they got NIL too and raided the FCS. Liberty got raided by the P4s. Etc. Just like Prime benefitted from the portal in 2023 many teams got crushed. Liberty was crushing teams too with their money but 2024, they got raided.

I think the Veer and Shoot would be a good scheme for Kaidon on a stacked squad. That said, his acceleration issues is noticeable at this level. Even against Delaware, he just doesn't have that initial burst. As a QB, you need acceleration.
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Scheme or not he's had ample opportunities to hit open guys on throws 10+ yards and has been awful in doing so - or just flat out not thrown to them (ie. Gibson running WIDE open down the middle about 10-15 yards downfield on Saturday which would have been an easy TD, believe it lead to a incomplete pass).
 
DBT said:
My son’s and his friends’ theory is that Salter doesn’t have a great grasp of the offense and, therefore, Schumer has to dumb down the play calling. Hence a nauseating number of bubble screens.
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I don't think there's any trust for him to throw further than 15 yds.
 
if I were remotely motivated or interested, I would check the IP addresses of those coming to the defense of that husker guy.

but, hey, man, I just don't care enough. I am an all buffs mod.

Peace Out Whatever GIF
 
Corey Trevorson said:
Scheme or not he's had ample opportunities to hit open guys on throws 10+ yards and has been awful in doing so - or just flat out not thrown to them (ie. Gibson running WIDE open down the middle about 10-15 yards downfield on Saturday which would have been an easy TD, believe it lead to a incomplete pass).
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It's different, at Liberty, they are wide open and he's not on the run. Here, he has to create on the run for those same plays. He's not good at throwing on the run
 
Da Lama said:
So, all the bubble screens last year were because SS2 had to have the offense dumbed down? Bubble screens worked last year because you had exceptional players like Hunter and Wester getting the ball in space. We have different players this year, ones that might not be ideal for an outside screen game. Yet we keep going to it with ZERO success. It's not rocket science to look at our WR room and say, let's get a vertical passing game going, throw it downfield and let guys like Miller, Williams, Drelon and Brown go get it.
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I think bubble screens only work when WRs block and the D isn't chomping at the bit to come forward on every pass. If we aren't a threat to throw over-the-top with any consistency, the screen game is painful to watch.

Last year, we had spent a full year pushing our WRs to block smart and hard. This year, our WRs are missing a ton of blocks, but it takes time to get a feel for blocking out in space like that.

Also, in both games, the opposing D was super-focused on taking away the flat. Neither D was worried about our mid-range to over-the-top passing game--which is exactly why Sincere was SO open on his two go-routes: watch the CB on Sincere, each time, he's looking back for the flat route or short curl. The D was completely rolled up--and focused on--the flats.

Being explosive down the field opens up so much offense everywhere else.
 
The noticeable different with Staub, IMO, was his decisiveness. He stood in the pocket and threw with confidence and pulled the ball down quickly when the pass wasn't there and immediately run straight up field. Maybe that was the case because he wasn't moving beyond his first read most times, but I think he's also a better post snap processor.

I heard earlier this afternoon through the burrito stand that he's going to be QB1 this week. I'm definitely intrigued to see what he can do and apparently the RTP and WOM videos from today show a team that is pumped and rallying around him.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
The noticeable different with Staub, IMO, was his decisiveness. He stood in the pocket and threw with confidence and pulled the ball down quickly when the pass wasn't there and immediately run straight up field. Maybe that was the case because he wasn't moving beyond his first read most times, but I think he's also a better post snap processor.

I heard earlier this afternoon through the burrito stand that he's going to be QB1 this week. I'm definitely intrigued to see what he can do and apparently the RTP and WOM videos from today show a team that is pumped and rallying around him.
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Staub went to his 3rd read on most of his checkdowns. He was going through his progressions.
 
#1 pick said:
It's different, at Liberty, they are wide open and he's not on the run. Here, he has to create on the run for those same plays. He's not good at throwing on the run
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He's had multiple guys that were very open and either completely missed or didn't throw the ball, all the while he passes up easy yards on the ground only to throw it over the dudes head.
 
Corey Trevorson said:
He's had multiple guys that were very open and either completely missed or didn't throw the ball, all the while he passes up easy yards on the ground only to throw it over the dudes head.
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He hasn't missed anyone when he's directly in the pocket. It's when he's on the run passing. He's been horrendous. As we said with Juju, you gotta get used to a muddy pocket or you aren't going to have success here. Our pass pro has improved but it's still not great. McGill stays getting killed.
 
#1 pick said:
It's different, at Liberty, they are wide open and he's not on the run. Here, he has to create on the run for those same plays. He's not good at throwing on the run
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Exactly,

This is why sometimes QBs from the top HSs have trouble adjusting to the college game. They could just chuck it up to a wide open man and let him take it and score.

Same thing with some of the QBs from schools like Ohio State and the loaded Alabama teams. Their receivers were so much better that they never had to throw in coverage or find a window.

In those case some guys adjust some don't. Salter was highly effective at Liberty. So far he has not shown signs of adjusting to not having a team that is clearly superior to the opponent here.
 
Corey Trevorson said:
Shockingly he was actually really good at Liberty from 10+ yards, especially in 2023.

Why none of that is carrying over is beyond me.
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He had some really nice weapons in 2023 (ahem, CJ Daniels, ahem) He also played in a conference that only had one other team worth a damn that season - NMSU featuring some dude named Pavia. He was certainly special that year. To answer your last point, look to the coaches boxes on the west side for your answer.
 
#1 pick said:
He hasn't missed anyone when he's directly in the pocket. It's when he's on the run passing. He's been horrendous. As we said with Juju, you gotta get used to a muddy pocket or you aren't going to have success here. Our pass pro has improved but it's still not great. McGill stays getting killed.
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Not sure he’s seen anyone who wasn’t clearly open, or running an out route, from inside the pocket, either. (Overstating it, obviously.)

First game, we even had a post-curl right in front of KS wide open on the goal line, open right on time, he didn’t anticipate it, and got caught up dealing with the rush.
 
GawainBuff said:
Not sure he’s seen anyone who wasn’t clearly open, or running an out route, from inside the pocket, either. (Overstating it, obviously.)

First game, we even had a post-curl right in front of KS wide open on the goal line, open right on time, and he didn’t see it.
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I am not saying he's making the right reads or going through his progressions. I just said that when he's in the pocket, his accuracy been fine. It's the QB and passing issues I have which you stated
 
#1 pick said:
He hasn't missed anyone when he's directly in the pocket. It's when he's on the run passing. He's been horrendous. As we said with Juju, you gotta get used to a muddy pocket or you aren't going to have success here. Our pass pro has improved but it's still not great. McGill stays getting killed.
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There's a screen shot of the second drive in the red zone where Kaidon is in the pocket and Drelon is wide open right in front of him on the goal line and I believe it was thrown over Atkins' head instead. I don't know how frequent that stuff has happened, but Salter is routinely missing open receivers. Happened multiple times during GT.

Edit: saw your next post about accuracy from the pocket. Agreed. He's just not seeing wide open guys.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
The noticeable different with Staub, IMO, was his decisiveness. He stood in the pocket and threw with confidence and pulled the ball down quickly when the pass wasn't there and immediately run straight up field. Maybe that was the case because he wasn't moving beyond his first read most times, but I think he's also a better post snap processor.

I heard earlier this afternoon through the burrito stand that he's going to be QB1 this week. I'm definitely intrigued to see what he can do and apparently the RTP and WOM videos from today show a team that is pumped and rallying around him.
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This is the smartest move and the really the only option that keeps things stable in the locker room. Staub is just happy for the shot and even if he rolls the rest of the way, he knows this is Juju's team next year. It seems Salter got caught up in a bad situation in multiple ways. Juju was never promised the job anyway, so...
 
Da Lama said:
This is the smartest move and the really the only option that keeps things stable in the locker room. Staub is just happy for the shot and even if he rolls the rest of the way, he knows this is Juju's team next year. It seems Salter got caught up in a bad situation in multiple ways. Juju was never promised the job anyway, so...
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I still think there's a fairly decent chance all three play again this week and against Wyoming.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
There's a screen shot of the second drive in the red zone where Kaidon is in the pocket and Drelon is wide open right in front of him on the goal line and I believe it was thrown over Atkins' head instead. I don't know how frequent that stuff has happened, but Salter is routinely missing open receivers. Happened multiple times during GT.

Edit: saw your next post about accuracy from the pocket. Agreed. He's just not seeing wide open guys.
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Yep! I should have correctly stated, he hasn't missed anyone he's directly targeted accuracy wise within the pocket when he's stationary. He's missed plenty of reads and he primary an one read QB.

I don't remember him missing Atkins. What quarter was this? Was this against Tech?
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
The noticeable different with Staub, IMO, was his decisiveness. He stood in the pocket and threw with confidence and pulled the ball down quickly when the pass wasn't there and immediately run straight up field. Maybe that was the case because he wasn't moving beyond his first read most times, but I think he's also a better post snap processor.

I heard earlier this afternoon through the burrito stand that he's going to be QB1 this week. I'm definitely intrigued to see what he can do and apparently the RTP and WOM videos from today show a team that is pumped and rallying around him.
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That's shocking given baghdad Unc's statements on Dnvr last week. Maybe it was just too much to ignore
 
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