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Official CU vs Houston game thread - 9/12/25

Where we failed in 2025 is we didnt do enough HS recruiting in 2023. Fritz did and even through he missed on those guys in 2023, they hit the portal in 2025 and unassuming but Fritz knew they could play when he was at Tulane. He know who could play based on his HS recruiting. By us not recruiting HS hard, we didnt really get to know these guys when it's critical. See, we lost NOB to Michigan but if he hits the portal, he's like, I'm going to CU. We know him. You know.

That's what we did wrong. We just didn't recruit that many 2023 guys. Prime stupidity of, I'ma build this like the NFL. The NFL has preset range of starters and studs for any team. College doesn't. Now he did for studs due to Shedeur and Travis but he doesn't anymore outside of Seaton and it shows.

Also, we got a weak recruiting map and that's not easy to overcome. We are paying 10 million so he should overcome it but it's not easy at all.
 
From the agents I've spoke with. He's a good guy. He's not someone I've heard talk like he's Bama's GM. Courtney Morgan is special. I think people underestimate the lost of Coach Rizz. That's the lost i hear the most about. Rizz had connections and he was a nice clean upper. Some of Prime’s issue had nothing to do with Prime. The cost of a starter significantly went up in 2025 and Prime had the budget for a starter in 2023 and 2024. Basically meant instead of NHG, we bargin starter shop and get French and Hughes. A lot of middle tier guys boosted their NIL and it put CU in a terrible position. This is why we are seeing, we didnt replace starters on defense.
Would have been awesome to win the lottery, go visit Prime, offer to donate like $50M if he fired Shurmur
Sko Buffs
 
Where we failed in 2025 is we didnt do enough HS recruiting in 2023. Fritz did and even through he missed on those guys in 2023, they hit the portal in 2025 and unassuming but Fritz knew they could play when he was at Tulane. He know who could play based on his HS recruiting. By us not recruiting HS hard, we didnt really get to know these guys when it's critical. See, we lost NOB to Michigan but if he hits the portal, he's like, I'm going to CU. We know him. You know.

That's what we did wrong. We just didn't recruit that many 2023 guys. Prime stupidity of, I'ma build this like the NFL. The NFL has preset range of starters and studs for any team. College doesn't. Now he did for studs due to Shedeur and Travis but he doesn't anymore outside of Seaton and it shows.

Also, we got a weak recruiting map and that's not easy to overcome. We are paying 10 million so he should overcome it but it's not easy at all.
Is Prime capable of learning from his mistakes and pivoting into a different direction? Does he have people that can tell him the truth about his program? The sheen is wearing off quickly and he better get it fixed, like now.
 
Is Prime capable of learning from his mistakes and pivoting into a different direction? Does he have people that can tell him the truth about his program? The sheen is wearing off quickly and he better get it fixed, like now.
Thats what we don't know yet. That's why I said, Prime is still redeemable whereas Hart isn't
 
I believe that Staub earned that start and for it to be his game (not going in knowing he's on a leash).

I also believe that Staub did not earn keeping that job.
He earned it through two drives against Delaware? Did Salter earn getting benched after leading two scoring drives to start the game? It was an absolute 🤡 show and is indefensible in hindsight.
I agree with buffnik here.

And it is more than just Staub earning it, I dont think Salter did himself any favors with keeping his job. Sure, you can argue about the two scoring drives Salter ran against Delaware, but he didnt look confident nor very skilled doing it, nor did he look good against GT.

Salter has not looked sure of himself. He is very inaccurate throwing on the run, and just inaccurate for anything further than 10 yards. When he could make yardage with his legs, he pulls up. Why? Because he wants to be seen as a pocket passer. He came here specifically to show off his skills as a passer and doesnt want to be seen for his legs. Heck, Staub even looked better running it yesterday than I've seen from Salter.

My opinion on Staub vs Salter is, at least Staub looks like he cares and is giving his all and trying to lead. I can't say the same for Salter, and I have to imagine that had far more to do with us seeing Staub starting yesterday than 2(actually 4 drives) against delaware.

In the end, I dont think we would have won yesterday, no matter who started at QB from our current QB room. We have a defense that is extremely porous and has problems tackling; while our offense still can't run, lacks depth from a play calling perspective, and receivers dropping balls that hit their hands and dont want to block.

this team needs alot of improvement just to make a bowl this year, let alone win one.
 
Prime isn’t the coach that will stubbornly resist change if something isn’t working. The guy is highly receptive to change. Did you not see him change OCs mid season? Did you not see him experiment with three QBs last week?

We are playing a lot of youth right now. Davis Swain, Q Gibson, MacPherson, London Merritt, Juju. Year may be rough, but with some things to look forward to.
 
Prime isn’t the coach that will stubbornly resist change if something isn’t working. The guy is highly receptive to change. Did you not see him change OCs mid season? Did you not see him experiment with three QBs last week?

We are playing a lot of youth right now. Davis Swain, Q Gibson, MacPherson, London Merritt, Juju. Year may be rough, but with some things to look forward to.
His change is overly reactionary. Not strategic. The QB change is the prime example.
 
I agree with buffnik here.

And it is more than just Staub earning it, I dont think Salter did himself any favors with keeping his job. Sure, you can argue about the two scoring drives Salter ran against Delaware, but he didnt look confident nor very skilled doing it, nor did he look good against GT.

Salter has not looked sure of himself. He is very inaccurate throwing on the run, and just inaccurate for anything further than 10 yards. When he could make yardage with his legs, he pulls up. Why? Because he wants to be seen as a pocket passer. He came here specifically to show off his skills as a passer and doesnt want to be seen for his legs. Heck, Staub even looked better running it yesterday than I've seen from Salter.

My opinion on Staub vs Salter is, at least Staub looks like he cares and is giving his all and trying to lead. I can't say the same for Salter, and I have to imagine that had far more to do with us seeing Staub starting yesterday than 2(actually 4 drives) against delaware.

In the end, I dont think we would have won yesterday, no matter who started at QB from our current QB room. We have a defense that is extremely porous and has problems tackling; while our offense still can't run, lacks depth from a play calling perspective, and receivers dropping balls that hit their hands and dont want to block.

this team needs alot of improvement just to make a bowl this year, let alone win one.
His PFF grade validates what we keep saying with a 63.2 overall grade and a 56.8 passing grade. Tcal of the world praise Salter about the process keep saying he's playing well but the production just isn't there and the defense isn't as good as last year, we need the offense to drive the team to wins. I knew why Prime did it and we saw why it was a success and a failure.

When you are producing at a meh level and you just had a QB who was Mr. Mad Scientist, **** the Process, Shedeur Sanders, you will be livid to go from a 90+ passing grade to a 50+ passing grade regardless how good your process is because you are used to that production. Prime eyes just didn't like the end product of Salter. It's just that simple. His son process with Cam Ward is terrible at times but his production is off the charts. That's what Prime has watched at QB for the last 12 years. That's what his eyes are used to. He literally ran off the other QBs at Jackson because he laughed when a reporter suggested how will Shedeur compete for a job against them. He laughed. Both literally hit the portal the next day and we had another game to play on the schedule. Prime biggest adjustment for any of these QBs is accepting Shedeur ain't coming back to CU.
 
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The problem? Lazy recruiting and vibes-based staff hiring. Commander Ace Hunter on the state of CU's program.
 
Agree with most that I've read on here. It's bringing back all those arguments we've heard forever about whether great players also can make great coaches. Let me add something stupidly superstitious: Those white helmets (and maybe the all whites in general) need to be burned and never brought out again. The minute I see that I get PTSD from earlier losses.
Bring back the gold helmets, white jerseys and black pants. Clearly that's the main problem.
The white unis are jinxed (and yes...that's the scientific term).
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The problem? Lazy recruiting and vibes-based staff hiring. Commander Ace Hunter on the state of CU's program.
I like Barnett, thought he did a nice job at CU until he couldn’t, but he is not the recruiter that Prime is.

Prime has one off-season dealing with freaking bladder cancer and now he’s a lazy recruiter? Wow.
 
If we are going to be honest, Prime is a bad coach who overly excels as developing talent, recruiting, and motivating but is a horrendous strategist, generationally bad tactician, and so so as an architect who operates as a CEO but not a good one. He's probably the worst coach on staff with Hart who I think maybe a better motivator and recruiter than Prime while being worse at the other things Prime is bad at.

The thing is, Prime has three things no one else has, not even Nick Saban

1. He has his own recruiting map. He has the ability to have a parent or kid say, you wanna go to CU because of Prime. It's a recruiting card only Prime has and it has nothing to do with his recruiting skill.

2. He has his own media company which feeds the beast. This generates attention and revenue. Plus good storylines.

3. He has the media presence of LeBron James. Meaning, he will be a topic of your favorite talk show good, bad, or ugly. This gives him the TBS edge that the Atlanta Braves had in the 90s as America's team.

Those 3 things is why even as a bad coach, even Alabama would be highly interested in Prime and while Colorado sees him as critical to the brand.

I don't know how you really improve a bad coach like this. Coaches all have strengths and weaknesses. Prime is an above average recruiter. He's nowhere close to Mel Tucker. Not even in the same area code. But 1, 2, and 3 put him in his own recruiting category known as Coach Prime.

Hes a tremendous talent developer. Most elite guys know this better than others so it's no shock, Prime is better at this than most coaches maybe all college coaches since Nick retired. I think this is his best skill. If you want to get to the NFL, no lie, he will get you there and well prepped. I think he rivals Coach Cal at this skill. This isn't all that valuable to winning games but this matters A LOT to players. Probably the most.

I think he's a master motivator. Part of being one is what you accomplished previously and how can you inspire. I think he's elite at this as well. I just don't think it's as good as say Brent Key or Dan Lanning but it's elite.

We all know his strategist ability is bottom tier.

He is even worse at an tactician.

He's a so so architect because he's overly elite in one area and overly bad in the other.

Most coaches don't really suck at multiple areas. Even guys like Pat who are underwhelming as HCs and OCs are good at many things and element of being a coach.

I think Prime like Hart can improve but coaching is not like Basketball. It takes many years to get better and some guys just are way better natural coaches than others like Nick Saban or Bill Bellicheck like playing football.

Honestly, if you take away 1, 2, and 3, Prime might be one of CUs worse coaches of all time. Dorrell from my scout is a clearly better coach than Prime and Mel was significantly better. I do think Prime like Hart has a lot of potential but they gotta lock in and grow at areas like tactician and strategist but I don't know if Hart has enough time left. Hart is not Flea or the others. If he's fired, it's straight to the HBCUs. He's not respected, honestly. But 1, 2, 3 is why Alabama will check in with Prime if their job is open so Prime has a different value than all others.

I know ya'll will hate me for this but I don't think Pat is a bad coach. I think hes a decent coach. I just think he's just not very good at nothing and all college coaches tend to be excellent or elite at something like Rob for example. Even Brett is an elite tactician. Hart for his severe flaws is a master motivator. When you think of Pat, he's standard and that's not good enough. The reason why he gets things is he does everything well and gets fired because what are you good at? That's Pat.

I think Helow is the best on the staff. Rob 2nd. Sapp is better than we think, Faulk is a damn good coach, he could actually be a HC like Eddie George and be successful. Eddie was a better coach at Tennessee State than Prime was at JSU. I think Marshall and Brett got legit HC potential. Jason is mid and always been mid to me but he knows how to develop talent at a high level. That's where he's special but his coaching is mid.

I've been telling ya'll Coach Pollock is underrated. I think he could shock people. He's the best at talent developer mix with tactician that we have. Coach Mathis is decent. Always been decent. I did think he really transition well compared to Coach Hart and Coach Flea. Coach Peko is too new to grade for me. Same for the OL coaches outside of Big George who's decent. I think Prime did good with the 3 headed mix like the DL has but Helow is better than everyone else. The question with Helow will be recruiting. That's where I believe he may have issues. I just don't know. Rob can recruit. Rob is good if it's the NFL or college. We got a good staff. We could be better. We need to be better. But the Coach we need to improve the most are both Hart and Prime. Considering Hart time here, it's time to go.

@Buffnik mention that HBCU coaches are just as good as P4 and G5 coaches, just dont get the opportunity. I think they are better in certain areas like motivator and especially talent developer because you are able to get the kids to realize we are one and we need to be our best version if we want to win. That's where every HBCU coach shines and they all have a tremendous ability to multi task and value the person as that's just as critical if not more than winning games. That's where HBCU coaches shine.

But they tend to lack the tactician side and strategist side to a degree but generally are good architect, sometimes great ones. The one thing I think people fail to realize is if you are a tactician there, it is so difficult. My coaches who post here know what I mean. HBCUs are so much about what not happening with Football that it completely impacts what's happening in the game. Hal Mumme coached at a HBCU and was disastrous. It's not for the weak. But the issue is, many just struggle with the quality gap of tactician and strategist. That's where most struggle. The best HBCU coach in the last 10 years is Willie Simmons and he's a tactician who shined at the HBCU level.
 
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It's absolutely a recruiting problem - he relies on outcasts from P4 schools who largely didn't do anything at their previous school and transfer grades a extremely inflated.

This team isn't talented and it has poor coaching to boot.
I guess I'm confused? In the off season all I read was "he's from Alabama!", "he's from this school!", "he's from that school!", I was being led to believe these were great players. Now you're saying they are outcasts?
 
I like Barnett, thought he did a nice job at CU until he couldn’t, but he is not the recruiter that Prime is.

Prime has one off-season dealing with freaking bladder cancer and now he’s a lazy recruiter? Wow.
He hasn’t visited a recruit at a game or in their home in 3 years that he’s been here. I don’t see or hear about many assistants doing a ton of road recruiting work. His strategy to this point has seemed to be attract the recruits to campus with all the hype and flash and then “close” them during a sit down meeting with the recruit and their parents. Buffsblog is also right in that he leveraged Shedeur and Travis’ status as superstars to attract guys.

That’s all well and good, but what now that Shedeur and Travis aren’t here and the hype has really cooled off? What now that the team looks bad? He spoke all offseason about how he knows this is a better team than last year. Through 3 games, this team doesn’t look more talented, more cohesive, or deeper than last years team.

Is this all a function of him being lazy? Maybe that’s unfair, but if so, it’s a function of a really ****ty recruiting strategy at this level.
 
He hasn’t visited a recruit at a game or in their home in 3 years that he’s been here. I don’t see or hear about many assistants doing a ton of road recruiting work. His strategy to this point has seemed to be attract the recruits to campus with all the hype and flash and then “close” them during a sit down meeting with the recruit and their parents. Buffsblog is also right in that he leveraged Shedeur and Travis’ status as superstars to attract guys.

That’s all well and good, but what now that Shedeur and Travis aren’t here and the hype has really cooled off? What now that the team looks bad? He spoke all offseason about how he knows this is a better team than last year. Through 3 games, this team doesn’t look more talented, more cohesive, or deeper than last years team.

Is this all a function of him being lazy? Maybe that’s unfair, but if so, it’s a function of a really ****ty recruiting strategy at this level.
Prime’s recruiting has been unconventional to be sure, but he’s finished at or near the top of conference in recruiting. We are getting four star recruits that CU hadn’t sniffed since 2005. Recruiting is not the problem.

Prime needs ace coordinators. That’s the problem.
 
If we are going to be honest, Prime is a bad coach who overly excels as developing talent, recruiting, and motivating but is a horrendous strategist, generationally bad tactician, and so so as an architect who operates as a CEO but not a good one. He's probably the worst coach on staff with Hart who I think maybe a better motivator and recruiter than Prime while being worse at the other things Prime is bad at.

The thing is, Prime has three things no one else has, not even Nick Saban

1. He has his own recruiting map. He has the ability to have a parent or kid say, you wanna go to CU because of Prime. It's a recruiting card only Prime has and it has nothing to do with his recruiting skill.

2. He has his own media company which feeds the beast. This generates attention and revenue. Plus good storylines.

3. He has the media presence of LeBron James. Meaning, he will be a topic of your favorite talk show good, bad, or ugly. This gives him the TBS edge that the Atlanta Braves had in the 90s as America's team.

Those 3 things is why even as a bad coach, even Alabama would be highly interested in Prime and while Colorado sees him as critical to the brand.

I don't know how you really improve a bad coach like this. Coaches all have strengths and weaknesses. Prime is an above average recruiter. He's nowhere close to Mel Tucker. Not even in the same area code. But 1, 2, and 3 put him in his own recruiting category known as Coach Prime.

Hes a tremendous talent developer. Most elite guys know this better than others so it's no shock, Prime is better at this than most coaches maybe all college coaches since Nick retired. I think this is his best skill. If you want to get to the NFL, no lie, he will get you there and well prepped. I think he rivals Coach Cal at this skill. This isn't all that valuable to winning games but this matters A LOT to players. Probably the most.

I think he's a master motivator. Part of being one is what you accomplished previously and how can you inspire. I think he's elite at this as well. I just don't think it's as good as say Brent Key or Dan Lanning but it's elite.

We all know his strategist ability is bottom tier.

He is even worse at an tactician.

He's a so so architect because he's overly elite in one area and overly bad in the other.

Most coaches don't really suck at multiple areas. Even guys like Pat who are underwhelming as HCs and OCs are good at many things and element of being a coach.

I think Prime like Hart can improve but coaching is not like Basketball. It takes many years to get better and some guys just are way better natural coaches than others like Nick Saban or Bill Bellicheck like playing football.

Honestly, if you take away 1, 2, and 3, Prime might be one of CUs worse coaches of all time. Dorrell from my scout is a clearly better coach than Prime and Mel was significantly better. I do think Prime like Hart has a lot of potential but they gotta lock in and grow at areas like tactician and strategist but I don't know if Hart has enough time left. Hart is not Flea or the others. If he's fired, it's straight to the HBCUs. He's not respected, honestly. But 1, 2, 3 is why Alabama will check in with Prime if their job is open so Prime has a different value than all others.

I know ya'll will hate me for this but I don't think Pat is a bad coach. I think hes a decent coach. I just think he's just not very good at nothing and all college coaches tend to be excellent or elite at something like Rob for example. Even Brett is an elite tactician. Hart for his severe flaws is a master motivator. When you think of Pat, he's standard and that's not good enough. The reason why he gets things is he does everything well and gets fired because what are you good at? That's Pat.

I think Helow is the best on the staff. Rob 2nd. Sapp is better than we think, Faulk is a damn good coach, he could actually be a HC like Eddie George and be successful. Eddie was a better coach at Tennessee State than Prime was at JSU. I think Marshall and Brett got legit HC potential. Jason is mid and always been mid to me but he knows how to develop talent at a high level. That's where he's special but his coaching is mid.

I've been telling ya'll Coach Pollock is underrated. I think he could shock people. He's the best at talent developer mix with tactician that we have. Coach Mathis is decent. Always been decent. I did think he really transition well compared to Coach Hart and Coach Flea. Coach Peko is too new to grade for me. Same for the OL coaches outside of Big George who's decent. I think Prime did good with the 3 headed mix like the DL has but Helow is better than everyone else. The question with Helow will be recruiting. That's where I believe he may have issues. I just don't know. Rob can recruit. Rob is good if it's the NFL or college. We got a good staff. We could be better. We need to be better. But the Coach we need to improve the most are both Hart and Prime. Considering Hart time here, it's time to go.
Huh? Alabama interested in a coach who can't coach? This post is satire, right? The Tide fans would riot in the streets if DeBoer got fired and they hired CP.

Tremendous talent developer? And the talent he developed is who exactly? His son? Hunter? What player has he developed and coached up? The fact is, SS and Hunter covered up many, many of CP's faults the last two years, and even with all their talent, CP has beaten how many teams that ended up with a winning record in 2 yrs and 3 games in Boulder?

And the incompetence of your post is highlighted in "I think Pat's a decent coach".

Mic drop.
 
Huh? Alabama interested in a coach who can't coach? This post is satire, right? The Tide fans would riot in the streets if DeBoer got fired and they hired CP.

Tremendous talent developer? And the talent he developed is who exactly? His son? Hunter? What player has he developed and coached up? The fact is, SS and Hunter covered up many, many of CP's faults the last two years, and even with all their talent, CP has beaten how many teams that ended up with a winning record in 2 yrs and 3 games in Boulder?

And the incompetence of your post is highlighted in "I think Pat's a decent coach".

Mic drop.
 
Prime’s recruiting has been unconventional to be sure, but he’s finished at or near the top of conference in recruiting. We are getting four star recruits that CU hadn’t sniffed since 2005. Recruiting is not the problem.

Prime needs ace coordinators. That’s the problem.
But we finish at the top of the conference in average rating, not the actual recruiting rankings, because we sign 10-12 good to great HS recruits and the rest are transfers. What’s the hit rate on HS recruits? If it’s 50/50, which is probably being generous, then our standard freshman class has 5-6 guys who actually pan out. When you follow this strategy it relies on you being excellent in the portal, which probably has a worse hit rate, generally.

There’s a reason very few top 15-20 programs follow this strategy. It’s all a numbers game and the most important positions (OL/DL/LB/QB) are found and developed in HS because the good ones aren’t typically available in the portal.
 
of course, a Yahoo article from some yahoo to get clicks. Again, Tide fans would riot in the streets if KD left and they hired CP
 
Sports betting sites. Not reality. Alabamas problem in post-Saban world isn’t recruiting or media draw.
 
It's absolutely a recruiting problem - he relies on outcasts from P4 schools who largely didn't do anything at their previous school and transfer grades a extremely inflated.

This team isn't talented and it has poor coaching to boot.
Outcast Transfers off the top of my head:

Xavier Weaver
Craig Silmon Craig
Will Shepherd
BJ Green
Jimmy Horn
Lajohntay Wester
NHG
Lavonta Bentley
Block Bully
Jordan Domineck
Mark Vassett
DJ McKinney
Justin Mayers

First six are on NFL rosters, which I think matches CUs total for the prior twenty years. Of course, not including Sanders two kids and Travis Hunter.
 
Huh? Alabama interested in a coach who can't coach? This post is satire, right? The Tide fans would riot in the streets if DeBoer got fired and they hired CP.

Tremendous talent developer? And the talent he developed is who exactly? His son? Hunter? What player has he developed and coached up? The fact is, SS and Hunter covered up many, many of CP's faults the last two years, and even with all their talent, CP has beaten how many teams that ended up with a winning record in 2 yrs and 3 games in Boulder?

And the incompetence of your post is highlighted in "I think Pat's a decent coach".

Mic drop.
A lot of players have developed, goodness a lot
JSU
Aubrey Miller
Bolden
Willis Patrick
James Houston

Colorado
McCleandon
Payne
Big Play Zay
The 3 WRs
Travis
Shedeur
Shilo
Cam
BJ
NHG
Chidozie

This is just 4 full years. Most of these guys weren't 5 star recruits. That's an impressive list. It's not like he's coaching Clemson. Colorado prior 3 years before Prime, just one NFL player (Landman) and 1 other who got a cup of tea.
 
But we finish at the top of the conference in average rating, not the actual recruiting rankings, because we sign 10-12 good to great HS recruits and the rest are transfers. What’s the hit rate on HS recruits? If it’s 50/50, which is probably being generous, then our standard freshman class has 5-6 guys who actually pan out. When you follow this strategy it relies on you being excellent in the portal, which probably has a worse hit rate, generally.

There’s a reason very few top 15-20 programs follow this strategy. It’s all a numbers game and the most important positions (OL/DL/LB/QB) are found and developed in HS because the good ones aren’t typically available in the portal.
Well, I’m stunned that people think it’s a recruiting issue over a coaching issue. Reasonable people can disagree, but I think Shurmur is not the ace we need. Of course, some people can say recruiting and coaching stinks, which means we should make a change. I disagree.
 
A lot of players have developed, goodness a lot
JSU
Aubrey Miller
Bolden
Willis Patrick
James Houston

Colorado
McCleandon
Payne
Big Play Zay
The 3 WRs
Travis
Shedeur
Shilo
Cam
BJ
NHG
Chidozie

This is just 4 full years. Most of these guys weren't 5 star recruits. That's an impressive list. It's not like he's coaching Clemson. Colorado prior 3 years before Prime, just one NFL player (Landman) and 1 other who got a cup of tea.
A lot of those were recruited for a year as a rental… not exactly development projects
 
A lot of those were recruited for a year as a rental… not exactly development projects
He turned many of them into NFL prospects and made them a lot more polished for what the NFL is looking for. Most of these guys weren't on draft boards before coming to CU
 
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