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Official realignment thread - SEC formally invites OU and Texas to join the conference in 2025

Buffs35 said:
ASU and U of A need to get kicked out of the conference because of their academics!

Top 10 Public Colleges in the West

The position of public universities and colleges in the WSJ/THE College Rankings.
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have to dig a bit deeper and look at the criteria.

I genuinely don't know much about academics of either Arizona school. I worked with one ASU grad and he was brilliant, but that's one data point.

I'm surprised UCLA is ranked ahead of Berkeley. I always think of Cal of being the elite academic public school, in the West, if not in the entire country, but I'm sure that's based on rankings and whatnot from 20 years ago.
 
ahoelsken said:
The fact that they are basically sauerkraut sandwiches should answer your question.
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Maybe if sauerkraut is a condiment ON a sandwich. But a whole sandwich dedicated to said ferment, guess I could pass. Wasn’t sure if it more Rueben style deal or mouthful of kraut.
 
CUAviator said:
If runzas weren’t from ****braska, would they be any good?
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ahoelsken said:
The fact that they are basically sauerkraut sandwiches should answer your question.
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CUAviator said:
Maybe if sauerkraut is a condiment ON a sandwich. But a whole sandwich dedicated to said ferment, guess I could pass. Wasn’t sure if it more Rueben style deal or mouthful of kraut.
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Ancient times back when I was in elementary school we used to have a sandwich which they called a kroutburger that was a runza, seasoned beef and sauerkraut wrapped in yeast dough and baked. Those things were delicious.

I had something very similar in a cafe when we were driving through Kansas a few years ago and while it wasn't as good as I remembered as a kid it was something I would buy again. I thought it was funny though at the time before I knew about the Runza chain that their menu made a point that their's were a much better version than found in the state to the north.
 
hokiehead said:
have to dig a bit deeper and look at the criteria.
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This.

There are lots of ways to rank universities, and a lot of them suck.

For example, one of the larger components for USNWR rankings centers around admissions numbers. If you get a lot of applications, but don't accept a lot students, that apparently means you're a better school. Which, if you think about it, is a pretty perverse incentive to put on a school: they have to market their school to a whole bunch of kids, and encourage them to send them money for an application, and then proceed to reject most of them - because that will push up their rankings.

Then there's the reputational surveys - which generally only entrench the status quo.

I would look at different metrics (and some rankings systems incorporate and/or heavily weight these):

- How many peer reviewed papers are published each year?
- How many "awards" has the faculty earned (Nobels, Field Medals, etc, etc)
- How many patents awarded?
- What percentage of classes are taught by professors vs grad students?
- Average class size
- How many kids graduate in 4 (or 5) years?
- How many are employed 1 year after graduation (excluding those in grad school), and what's the salary data? (obviously by major or school).
- How many students defaulted on their student loans within 5 years of leaving school? (I don't actually know if schools track this, but I think the Dept of Education can, although I'm not sure they do - they should, and they should publish it).

When I was choosing a b-school, I looked at one metric rather closely (and luckily reputable b-schools actually maintain and publish this data):
Pre b-school salary vs 1 and 3 years after b-school salary.
 
hokiehead said:
I doubt this has near term impact to revenue sports, but interesting nevertheless

Missouri wrestling has moved back to the Big 12.
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It’s normal to see such arrangements. Kentucky & South Carolina who are SEC members have their men’s soccer teams in C-USA. Some other SEC schools have their women’s lacrosse teams in the Big East. That is when the conference does not sponsor the sport or have enough schools offering the sport to sanction that sport.
 
Not Sure said:
So, has realignment started yet? I was promised realignment.
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It's underway at the FCS level.

The WAC still has their FBS charter and that is why Abilene Christian, SFA, SHSU, and Lamar are moving to the WAC to join up with Tarlenton State. That will happen this fall and Southern Utah is leaving the Big Sky for the WAC next year. Incarnate Word, a Catholic school in San Antonio might be joining the WAC soon but they probably have to wait until 2022. The WAC could move up to FBS by the end of this decade and NMSU will be part of that conference.

The A-SUN is planning a similar move and a few schools are moving to that conference thiis fall but those schools will play in the WAC football conference for one season. Liberty would join that conference at the FBS level like NMSU to the WAC.

NDSU and SDSU might make the move at some point but I don't think it went over well in both states when those two left behind their rivals in D2 for some time before those two moved up. If the Dakota four want to move up together, NDSU, UND, and USD will need to construct new domes or stadiums. I don't think that is going to happen anytime soon.

James Madison has been talked about moving up and they weren't happy when rival Old Dominion got the call up to the C-USA. Their fans are probably getting restless after seeing Liberty, Coastal Carolina, and Appy State do well at the FBS level so far. They could just move to the A-SUN and several other CAA schools could follow.

The Southland could cease to exist and you have to wonder where the remaining Southland schools will end up.

As for at the FBS level, I don't think anything major will happen at the P5 level. G5 level is much more likely as the WAC & A-SUN would move up to FBS by the end of this decade. Georgia State appears to be out of place in the Sun Belt and a move to C-USA or the A-SUN would be a better move for that school. I'm sure there are other G5 schools out there that could make such moves.

I don't see any P5 moves until next decade at the earliest.
 
 
MtnBuff said:
Ancient times back when I was in elementary school we used to have a sandwich which they called a kroutburger that was a runza, seasoned beef and sauerkraut wrapped in yeast dough and baked. Those things were delicious.

I had something very similar in a cafe when we were driving through Kansas a few years ago and while it wasn't as good as I remembered as a kid it was something I would buy again. I thought it was funny though at the time before I knew about the Runza chain that their menu made a point that their's were a much better version than found in the state to the north.
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Mtn and any other krautburger fans here are encouraged to visit Lauer Krauts on 6th Avenue just up the road in Brighton, CO. Really good with a little mustard and/or horseradish. Go on Thursdays when they feature their cinnamon rolls covered in maple frosting....Brighton, the hometown of John Hessler. Go Bulldogs.
 
ahoelsken said:
I wouldn't eat another sauerkraut sandwich if Texans (state I grew up in) came up with the idea. They're gross no matter where they're from.
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They aren't sauerkraut, they are cabbage and beef. And they are ****ing delicious, I will not hear this slander about the only good thing to come out of that god forsaken state.
 
PAHIBuff said:
Mtn and any other krautburger fans here are encouraged to visit Lauer Krauts on 6th Avenue just up the road in Brighton, CO. Really good with a little mustard and/or horseradish. Go on Thursdays when they feature their cinnamon rolls covered in maple frosting....Brighton, the hometown of John Hessler. Go Bulldogs.
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I was going to bring up Hessler until I read the end of this. When they brought him in that game, I didn't know who the hell he was. Turned out to be a pretty damn good QB for us.
 
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Bread said:
They aren't sauerkraut, they are cabbage and beef. And they are ****ing delicious, I will not hear this slander about the only good thing to come out of that god forsaken state.
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You do know wikipedia defines sauerkraut as "finely cut raw cabbage" right?

Oh well. My brother is marrying a girl from that ****hole in 8 weeks so I guess I can only share my opinions on that ****ing dump with you guys!
 
ahoelsken said:
You do know wikipedia defines sauerkraut as "finely cut raw cabbage" right?

Oh well. My brother is marrying a girl from that ****hole in 8 weeks so I guess I can only share my opinions on that ****ing dump with you guys!
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Yes, but sauerkraut and cabbage have two very different flavors
 
Went over to Ramnation for a little amusement.

They are in an absolute tizzy over the idea that the AAC is looking to poach teams from the MWC.

From what I got from reading a string of their threads it looks like they expect Boise to be gone for sure. Add to that likely San Diego State. After that they would want to pick up probably one additional team to bring them to 14 with the top options being AFA, UNLV, or independent BYU.

Sheep concern is that losing the top media draws and most successful teams is going to mean even less money on their next round of media contracts. Some are saying that it would put them on a par with the Sun Belt as the bottom G5 conference.
 
MtnBuff said:
Sheep concern is that losing the top media draws and most successful teams is going to mean even less money on their next round of media contracts. Some are saying that it would put them on a par with the Sun Belt as the bottom G5 conference.
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Big XII be like :oops:
 
I’d say the Sun Belt has passed the MWC when it comes to football.

As for BSU, I don’t see where the Big Sky & WAC would take them in at this point. Maybe Big West but they enjoy being the Cali Bus Conference these days. The only western based conference that could take them in is the PAC-12 and you know the odds aren’t good in that case. BSU is pretty much stuck in the MWC. That was why the MWC pulled the rug out from under BSU with that new media rights deal by telling BSU they no longer will have those exclusive rights to their home games like they have/had.
 
Jalapeno said:
I’d say the Sun Belt has passed the MWC when it comes to football.

As for BSU, I don’t see where the Big Sky & WAC would take them in at this point. Maybe Big West but they enjoy being the Cali Bus Conference these days. The only western based conference that could take them in is the PAC-12 and you know the odds aren’t good in that case. BSU is pretty much stuck in the MWC. That was why the MWC pulled the rug out from under BSU with that new media rights deal by telling BSU they no longer will have those exclusive rights to their home games like they have/had.
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Any of the G5 conferences, other than the MAC, would love to have Boise.

These are conferences looking for credibility and the TV ratings that come with it. Boise has for at least the last couple decades frequently been the highest ranked or one of the highest ranked G5 schools. They have gotten the NY6 bowl bid and they have wins over multiple decent P5 programs.

They make a conference media deal more valuable and let AD advertise a nationally ranked program coming in on the season ticket package.

Not an issue though because Boise isn't going to step down to FCS for the Big Sky and the new WAC doesn't give them the kind of value they want.

They would prefer to stay in the MWC but will gladly use the AAC against the MWC to get themselves a better portion of the media deal, much like Texas and Oklahoma get what they want from the B12 because the rest of the conference knows that they are in deep trouble without them.

If the MWC decides to try to take a hard line and the AAC is willing to give Boise a good enough deal then Boise would have to look hard at following the money.
 
If I've said it once, I've said it 1000 times, and I'll keep saying it. There are no 3 time zone conferences (Hawaii excluded). There has only ever been one attempt, and the WAC collapsed under its own unworkability.

The AAC is making a mistake in trying to do a 4 time zone conference. It will hurt them ratings-wise, which will eventually hurt them financially.
 
Alfred91 said:
If I've said it once, I've said it 1000 times, and I'll keep saying it. There are no 3 time zone conferences (Hawaii excluded). There has only ever been one attempt, and the WAC collapsed under its own unworkability.

The AAC is making a mistake in trying to do a 4 time zone conference. It will hurt them ratings-wise, which will eventually hurt them financially.
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I don't think it is going to matter in the long term.

It is only a matter of time until we see a group of high budget programs become almost pro leagues and a lot of programs that are currently G5 as well as some of the lower end P5 programs end up downscaling to a more budget friendly level, probably comparable to the top 1/2 of FCS currently.
 
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