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******Official RMS Game Thread******

Don't want to sound like I am dumping on Mike Mac but it strikes me as notable that for a program that was supposed to be built around the idea of developing talent we sure saw a lot of talent that didn't develop.

Is Montez lack of development his fault or the coaches fault. We may never know but I'm willing to at least consider that four years of the same mistakes, the same bad fundamentals, the same frustrating inability to live up to his talent lever isn't going to be overcome suddenly by one year under Mel's staff.

We know that up until now he worked in an offense that didn't protect him. Most QBs if subject to the beating he has taken would get a bit gunshy.

Also remember that as much as we love Sefo's guts and desire he also had some very basic deficiencies in his game that never seemed to improve. He never got over throwing INTs in the flats, he never learned to go off the primary receiver and come back to a wide open TE .

I do believe that we focus much more on his deficiencies than others do. He isn't a great college QB but I think a lot of schools including some who tend to win a lot would gladly take him.

The offense in 2018, especially early on, protected him quite a bit by having him avoid having to make any real reads.
 
The offense in 2018, especially early on, protected him quite a bit by having him avoid having to make any real reads.
And in that time he actually showed some progress. He was throwing fewer bad balls and the Montez I saw was actually being a little more patient and making some reads. As the season progressed he started to get more consistent pressure on him and after some hits he reverted back to his survival mode.

As the team fell apart so did any progress he was making in decision making and in technique.

I don't know if he would have ever become a technically sound QB, even with solid protection and better coaching. I would have liked to have seen him get that opportunity.

At this point he has been doing the same things for over four years. Bad habits are ingrained, attitudes and reactions are ingrained.

He is fun to watch but we better be ready for another season of great plays mixed in with shaking our heads.
 
And in that time he actually showed some progress. He was throwing fewer bad balls and the Montez I saw was actually being a little more patient and making some reads. As the season progressed he started to get more consistent pressure on him and after some hits he reverted back to his survival mode.

As the team fell apart so did any progress he was making in decision making and in technique.

I don't know if he would have ever become a technically sound QB, even with solid protection and better coaching. I would have liked to have seen him get that opportunity.

At this point he has been doing the same things for over four years. Bad habits are ingrained, attitudes and reactions are ingrained.

He is fun to watch but we better be ready for another season of great plays mixed in with shaking our heads.

He wasn't making reads, Mtn. That is the whole point. That early season offense allowed him NOT to go through progressions.
 
B.S.
Roper is a good QB coach, and so is Lindgren. He's had 3 good coaches, and his Dad played in the NFL. Let's not make excuses by blaming it on coaches.
Beat me to it. He had a coach who coached Eli Manning. His dad had a cup of coffee in the NFL. He’s attended the Manning camp two years in a row. Lack of coaching is a non factor.
 
He wasn't making reads, Mtn. That is the whole point. That early season offense allowed him NOT to go through progressions.
Agree to disagree. I've gone back an looked at the games.

He certainly wasn't going Manning level but he was making reads both pre and post snap.

As the OL broke down and the play calling became more predictable his effectiveness dropped dramatically and we saw a return to him reacting, not acting, in some cases reacting to things that actually weren't happening.
 
B.S.
Roper is a good QB coach, and so is Lindgren. He's had 3 good coaches, and his Dad played in the NFL. Let's not make excuses by blaming it on coaches.
I'm not going to let it slide that easy. He had a garbage OL and an offense that was brutally predictable. I remember game threads with guys calling the plays before they happened.

As I said I have no idea if Montez would be a different QB with different coaches and a different system. What i know is that he didn't advance under the ones he had, In many ways we can say the same things about Sefo.

Considering some of the hits that Montez has taken over the past three years I'm going to give him the benefit of a doubt.
 
7.5? We expect more out of 5th year senior QB's with 2 seasons of straight starts around here. Yesterday's performance of a pick 6 (albeit unpicked off) against bottom tier G5 talent isn't great. Montez needs to be more of a difference maker this year if we hope to get to 6 wins (and to get a 7.5) imo. Heck, a 7.0 is rich.

If we were playing Iowa or NW, we'd probably be getting 1 or 2 points. Fusker beats big on themselves.
 
Last season, Montez’ QBR was 63.5, which ranked him 53 out of 128 rated players
In 2017, Montez’ QBR was 58, which ranked him 63 out of 127 rated players.

He’s a fifth year player with over two dozen starts and NFL level physical tools. I don’t think it’s unreasonable to want this player to exceed a middle of the road rating.
but my eyes tell me he’s better than average
 
Mtn is on point regarding the performance of the O-line during Montez's tenure. It's been bad. Kap seems to have made some big strides with this group (albeit we've only seen them play once). Assuming the O-line continues to improve, we SHOULD see and expect improvement from Montez. But we are in year 5, and I think if we're going to see any improvement, it will be measured. Montez is who he is. Which, in my view, is above average. Not great, not bad, but really frustrating at times.
 
Montez was workmanlike under MT's ground-pound attack. No need to flash anything, yet he did both to Brown and the TEs. From where I sat, (40 yd. line westside, lower level, I saw two errant throws: the first on that out,where the CSU LB dropped his coverage and reversed at the last minute and looked in position intercept, and the other to a an open Mangnam. Lots of what looked like "close calls for INTs" that ended up as catches; happens in EVERY GAME! DB just misses the ball! Big Deal....it IS a game of inches.

Really? AF? Really???? That was Colgate they played; you must've missed their opponent! Pomona High School has more D-1 players than Colgate!

Teams that put up more than 28 points in a single quarter in week 1:
#3 tOSU vs Florida Atlantic

Teams that put up 28 in a single Qtr
#17 UCF vs Florida A&M
Air Force vs Colgate
UNLV vs Southern Utah
Charlotte vs Gardner Webb
Maryland vs Howard

Bunches of more talented teams played weaker opponents, yet AFA distinguished itself against a long list of teams that didn’t do better.

What’s interesting is that AFA threw just 1 pass all game long. (Ground Force is more like it). The zoomies rushed for 423 yards, yet didn’t have any RBs with more than 80 yards.

Most of us have penciled in AFA as a win. And most also recognize AFA having the making of a trap game.

So go ahead and preach your gospel of Pomona having more D1 players than Colgate.

Whenever one of our future opponents flash 4TDs in a quarter, it’s attention getting.

Let’s agree on getting through NU week is a big deal.

But let’s not pretend CU’s porous defense has a cakewalk the following week.

Vs CSU, the Buffs D had more holes than a second hand dart board.
 
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Air Force will be a challenge after 2 emotional weeks.

Especially since they'll be coming off a bye.

Not a game CU should lose, but also not in the same ballpark as playing an FCS bodybag game. If AFA was playing any other P5 team expected to go around .500 this year, I'd have my eye on it as a potential upset.
 
I'd like to see Chev play a few of the other receivers. KD and Stanley were pretty quiet on Friday night. I thought we'd see more platooning, but it seems it was more of last year.

edit: maybe they did play more guys and I didn't notice them?
 
I'd like to see Chev play a few of the other receivers. KD and Stanley were pretty quiet on Friday night. I thought we'd see more platooning, but it seems it was more of last year.
When you only throw the ball 20 times it becomes a challenge. I felt like everyone other than Brown should have been targeted more than he was -- including the TEs who should have gotten opportunities up the seam against the CSU scheme. There just weren't enough balls to go around. Heck, if we'd passed 5 more times I mostly feel that they should have all been Viska targets.
 
It’s so frustrating. He will have a wide open guy and under/over throw him and it makes me want to throw ****. This isn’t little league, just throw the ball to him, it’s not that ****ing hard! He knows how, I don’t see why he makes it more difficult than it is.

Not a QB expert at all but Montez throwing while running left is a hot mess! That play to Nixon was so frustrating! Either run with your Oline escort, or STOP, set your feet and drill Nixon on the sideline with a little comeback route. Minimum 12-15 yard running gain, or 15-25 yard pass play. Except result was airmail out of bounds and no 1st down, uggghh

Montez was used exactly like Jake Fromm is and had a respectable 94 QBR. I am hoping that is the floor and he can improve 3rd down efficiency and completion percentage and want him to throw about 25 balls per game with no interceptions. Jay Johnson is the best OC we have had in a long long time and is old school Colorado football minus the option.
 
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Del Abrams was second leading tackler.. with 9 solo. Show's how poor contain was for this game if the corner is making the second most stops.

Star is a confusing position and it feels like Maddox would fit there best?
Perry at Safety
Put Taylor back on the end of the line, or he seems like a potential stud inside with Landman, especially on third down.
 
So how did the OL look to you guys?
I was happy. Gave a lot of time to Montez and opened up some serious holes. Hambright was as advertised. Sherman has definitely taken his game up a notch or two. Kutsch was a lot better than I expected and had a great game. Lynott didn't have any issues with his snaps and controlled the point. The only guy who disappointed me was Pursell. I think they replaced him on those last couple possessions to give Shutack and Roddick an opportunity. That position is unsettled and Nebraska is going to be challenging with their quality DTs.
 
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