DrunkRalphie
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Official Spring Practices Thread
- Thread starter Duff Man
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Bliff Cranch
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Broken fibula a few weeks back.
If the last coach had done a lot of things we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Develop a backup QB and a future QB
Play young players instead of sticking with the older guys just because they were older
Recruiting like it mattered instead of like it was a painful obligation
etc. etc. etc.
move on man
I guess you aren't reading my posts very well. You just seem to be picking and choosing what you want to respond to. I mentioned above that if Montez is struggling then by all means, put one of the two in the game. But sorry if you disagree and would like one of them to play a series or two against the Fuskers when it's a tied game in the third quarter. I'd rather not.
hawg1
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Yikes.
I'm well past it an moved on. Just pointing out the there were a number of different things that went into the lack of success and eventual change.
MM is still a guy who I respect and wish well to. He had his failings as a P5 coach but other than some scoreboard results he wasn't the kind of person who we would be embarrassed to have associated with the program and the school.
That said there are a number of changes we should expect to see from HCMT if the program is going to be successful. Some of those we are already seeing.
in before @Duff Man says, "There's a difference between names on a list and depth"
Let's play this out:
If the game is close early in 3rd quarter, what does that likely mean about quarterback play?
A. The starting QB is playing lights out good?
B. The starting QB is playing like ****?
C. The starting QB is playing an average game?
Now explore each of those scenarios:
A. If the starter is playing lights out good, and the game is still close - I actually agree with you: keep him in there. But seriously, if he's clearly playing that well, it's hard to imagine we're in a close game. More likely we're clearly winning and the backup is going to get the whole 4th quarter anyway, so what are we arguing about anyway?
B. If the starter is playing like ****, and we're in a close game, then I think you agree with me: get the backup in there and see what he can do. But again, if the starting QB is playing like ****, it's hard to imagine we're in a close game. And if we are, it's because the defense is kicking ass, so yeah get the backup in there and see if he brings a spark, and if he implodes, the defense will bail you out anyway.
C. This is the most likely situation: the starter is doing ok. Good, but not great. Some possessions are 3 and out. Some get close mid - field and die. Some die at the 20 and we get a field goal. There's a a touchdown or two. There's a turnover or two. You know, average.
In that situation, I say yes - bring the backup in. Even if the game is close. There's a reasonable chance your starter won't score on the next two possessions anyway, so get the backup in, see what he can do, and more importantly: get him real game action so that when (not if) he has to come in during a close game late in season because the starter went down he's not seeing 1st team defenders and schemes for the first time in his career...
Yeah we definitely agree on B. On C though, I just have to look at Washington when they benched Jake Browning last year and the guy that came in threw a pick 6 and pretty much put the game out of reach. Sure Browning could have done the same, but I would rather roll the dice with the starter who's playing an average game but has experience than throw in a guy that doesn't have any big game experience during a close game. He could very well light a spark but I'm just not comfortable with the risk associated with a 2nd stringer without much experience. Unfortunately for us, there were a number of games where Noyer and Lytle could have gained real experience last year but MM refused to let them throw.
hawg1
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What is it about Noyer or Lytle that makes you support and promote this position? To me, they aren’t close to Montez.
I wish we could blowout U$C, more than anything. I hate them almost as much as Nebraska, not quite at that level, but close.
Noyer has been beyond terrible when given a chance in games. He looked good in the spring, but that was against walk-ons and knowing he won't get hit. His biggest issue seems to be mental, which is no good for a QB. It took one spring for Lytle to become the back-up. I don't know if we know enough about Lytle yet, though. I am scared to death that people actually want to work Noyer into games. That is a great way to lose a game you should win.
lvbuff
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I hate USC more than I hate the cornshuckers.I wish we could blowout U$C, more than anything. I hate them almost as much as Nebraska, not quite at that level, but close.
Mainly because the cornshuckers are irrelevant now.
lvbuff
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career backup. He gets passed over a year from now.
I used to think that too but both Noyer and Lytle looked pretty dang good in the spring game. I have a feeling that Montez isn’t pretty dang good this season HCMT might start looking to the future
Yes! We need to direct our collective hate to USC. Allbuffs, It is time.
Bliff Cranch
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Ask me in twenty years. Sorry, just can’t. Way too much hate has flowed through these veins.
When I see what invades Folsom on Sept 7th, it may take longer than twenty years.
Lewis is legit but there is no reason to sit here and say he is better than Lytle day one, come on now.
Subpar CBs or not, Noyer was still hitting guys in stride. There are a lot of QBs who struggle to put the ball on the money 13 out of 15 times in practice against no coverage. I think he deserves some credit for playing quite well.
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Correct. Montez had a few wide open receivers that he badly missed. Was throwing off his back foot often. More of the same as when he was a Sophomore, tbh. He also has a self-preservation mode when running (maybe Roper influenced?) that certainly cost CU multiple times last year I’m crucial situations, that a college QB absolutely cannot afford to do.
I certainly hope they gave/are giving Noyer and Lytle a look with the 1s before completely settling on him.
Noyer each spring he’s had significant participation in has looked like a stud. But he comes into a real game and can’t make it work. To me, it’s all a mental thing and that doesn’t seem like something you can really overcome at the college level. It doesn’t affect you as much in high school when you’re the best athlete/player on the field 95% of the time. It does affect you at the FBS level
hawg1
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He had a good spring game against way sub-par corners. Please recall his game experience as well.
I am perfectly capable of hating both nebraska and usc with the heat of a thousand suns. And when we beat both of them this year, in Folsom, I will celebrate both victories with an ice cold Prima Pils and a good laugh.
hawg1
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And take critical reps with 1s away from Montez when maybe only 1/2 of install - and certainly not all checks - have been implemented? 10 percent of snaps AT MOST. QB3 might get reps 2X per week, MAYBE.
So just assume Montez is QB1 without legitimate competition? I was told multiple times that backup QBs need meaningful reps.