DrunkRalphie
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VaginosisMaybe I missed it, but why was Mustafa walking around on the sidelines with a boot and crutch during the spring game?
VaginosisMaybe I missed it, but why was Mustafa walking around on the sidelines with a boot and crutch during the spring game?
Broken fibula a few weeks back.Maybe I missed it, but why was Mustafa walking around on the sidelines with a boot and crutch during the spring game?
If the last coach had done a lot of things we wouldn't be having this conversation.If the last coach actually got his back-ups meaningful snaps during blowouts and times they actually needed to play, we wouldn't be having this discussion.
move on manIf the last coach had done a lot of things we wouldn't be having this conversation.
Develop a backup QB and a future QB
Play young players instead of sticking with the older guys just because they were older
Recruiting like it mattered instead of like it was a painful obligation
etc. etc. etc.
I guess you aren't reading my posts very well. You just seem to be picking and choosing what you want to respond to. I mentioned above that if Montez is struggling then by all means, put one of the two in the game. But sorry if you disagree and would like one of them to play a series or two against the Fuskers when it's a tied game in the third quarter. I'd rather not.Developing competentbackupfuture starting quarterbacks is not a "luxury" that CU can't afford.
Yikes.Safety depth is still okay
Udofia, Maddox, Perry, Lewis, Wallace, and Rakestraw.
move on man
in before @Duff Man says, "There's a difference between names on a list and depth"Safety depth is still okay
Udofia, Maddox, Perry, Lewis, Wallace, and Rakestraw.
Let's play this out:I guess you aren't reading my posts very well. You just seem to be picking and choosing what you want to respond to. I mentioned above that if Montez is struggling then by all means, put one of the two in the game. But sorry if you disagree and would like one of them to play a series or two against the Fuskers when it's a tied game in the third quarter. I'd rather not.
Yeah we definitely agree on B. On C though, I just have to look at Washington when they benched Jake Browning last year and the guy that came in threw a pick 6 and pretty much put the game out of reach. Sure Browning could have done the same, but I would rather roll the dice with the starter who's playing an average game but has experience than throw in a guy that doesn't have any big game experience during a close game. He could very well light a spark but I'm just not comfortable with the risk associated with a 2nd stringer without much experience. Unfortunately for us, there were a number of games where Noyer and Lytle could have gained real experience last year but MM refused to let them throw.Let's play this out:
If the game is close early in 3rd quarter, what does that likely mean about quarterback play?
A. The starting QB is playing lights out good?
B. The starting QB is playing like ****?
C. The starting QB is playing an average game?
Now explore each of those scenarios:
A. If the starter is playing lights out good, and the game is still close - I actually agree with you: keep him in there. But seriously, if he's clearly playing that well, it's hard to imagine we're in a close game. More likely we're clearly winning and the backup is going to get the whole 4th quarter anyway, so what are we arguing about anyway?
B. If the starter is playing like ****, and we're in a close game, then I think you agree with me: get the backup in there and see what he can do. But again, if the starting QB is playing like ****, it's hard to imagine we're in a close game. And if we are, it's because the defense is kicking ass, so yeah get the backup in there and see if he brings a spark, and if he implodes, the defense will bail you out anyway.
C. This is the most likely situation: the starter is doing ok. Good, but not great. Some possessions are 3 and out. Some get close mid - field and die. Some die at the 20 and we get a field goal. There's a a touchdown or two. There's a turnover or two. You know, average.
In that situation, I say yes - bring the backup in. Even if the game is close. There's a reasonable chance your starter won't score on the next two possessions anyway, so get the backup in, see what he can do, and more importantly: get him real game action so that when (not if) he has to come in during a close game late in season because the starter went down he's not seeing 1st team defenders and schemes for the first time in his career...
What is it about Noyer or Lytle that makes you support and promote this position? To me, they aren’t close to Montez.Let's play this out:
If the game is close early in 3rd quarter, what does that likely mean about quarterback play?
A. The starting QB is playing lights out good?
B. The starting QB is playing like ****?
C. The starting QB is playing an average game?
Now explore each of those scenarios:
A. If the starter is playing lights out good, and the game is still close - I actually agree with you: keep him in there. But seriously, if he's clearly playing that well, it's hard to imagine we're in a close game. More likely we're clearly winning and the backup is going to get the whole 4th quarter anyway, so what are we arguing about anyway?
B. If the starter is playing like ****, and we're in a close game, then I think you agree with me: get the backup in there and see what he can do. But again, if the starting QB is playing like ****, it's hard to imagine we're in a close game. And if we are, it's because the defense is kicking ass, so yeah get the backup in there and see if he brings a spark, and if he implodes, the defense will bail you out anyway.
C. This is the most likely situation: the starter is doing ok. Good, but not great. Some possessions are 3 and out. Some get close mid - field and die. Some die at the 20 and we get a field goal. There's a a touchdown or two. There's a turnover or two. You know, average.
In that situation, I say yes - bring the backup in. Even if the game is close. There's a reasonable chance your starter won't score on the next two possessions anyway, so get the backup in, see what he can do, and more importantly: get him real game action so that when (not if) he has to come in during a close game late in season because the starter went down he's not seeing 1st team defenders and schemes for the first time in his career...
I wish we could blowout U$C, more than anything. I hate them almost as much as Nebraska, not quite at that level, but close.I think there are going to be a lot of opportunities to play the backups regardless. There will be blowouts in both directions.
Noyer has been beyond terrible when given a chance in games. He looked good in the spring, but that was against walk-ons and knowing he won't get hit. His biggest issue seems to be mental, which is no good for a QB. It took one spring for Lytle to become the back-up. I don't know if we know enough about Lytle yet, though. I am scared to death that people actually want to work Noyer into games. That is a great way to lose a game you should win.What is it about Noyer or Lytle that makes you support and promote this position? To me, they aren’t close to Montez.
I hate USC more than I hate the cornshuckers.I wish we could blowout U$C, more than anything. I hate them almost as much as Nebraska, not quite at that level, but close.
career backup. He gets passed over a year from now.Noyer has been beyond terrible when given a chance in games. He looked good in the spring, but that was against walk-ons and knowing he won't get hit. His biggest issue seems to be mental, which is no good for a QB. It took one spring for Lytle to become the back-up. I don't know if we know enough about Lytle yet, though. I am scared to death that people actually want to work Noyer into games. That is a great way to lose a game you should win.
I used to think that too but both Noyer and Lytle looked pretty dang good in the spring game. I have a feeling that Montez isn’t pretty dang good this season HCMT might start looking to the futureWhat is it about Noyer or Lytle that makes you support and promote this position? To me, they aren’t close to Montez.
I hate USC more than I hate the cornshuckers.
Mainly because the cornshuckers are irrelevant now.
Ask me in twenty years. Sorry, just can’t. Way too much hate has flowed through these veins.I hate USC more than I hate the cornshuckers.
Mainly because the cornshuckers are irrelevant now.
There were throwing to Arias and Bell ca Wigley and a walk-on. I could have thrown for 2+ and 4. They are not close to Montez. At all. Lewis is better than both day one. Keep it real.I used to think that too but both Noyer and Lytle looked pretty dang good in the spring game. I have a feeling that Montez isn’t pretty dang good this season HCMT might start looking to the future
Lewis is legit but there is no reason to sit here and say he is better than Lytle day one, come on now.There were throwing to Arias and Bell ca Wigley and a walk-on. I could have thrown for 2+ and 4. They are not close to Montez. At all. Lewis is better than both day one. Keep it real.
Subpar CBs or not, Noyer was still hitting guys in stride. There are a lot of QBs who struggle to put the ball on the money 13 out of 15 times in practice against no coverage. I think he deserves some credit for playing quite well.There were throwing to Arias and Bell ca Wigley and a walk-on. I could have thrown for 2+ and 4. They are not close to Montez. At all. Lewis is better than both day one. Keep it real.
Correct. Montez had a few wide open receivers that he badly missed. Was throwing off his back foot often. More of the same as when he was a Sophomore, tbh. He also has a self-preservation mode when running (maybe Roper influenced?) that certainly cost CU multiple times last year I’m crucial situations, that a college QB absolutely cannot afford to do.Subpar CBs or not, Noyer was still hitting guys in stride. There are a lot of QBs who struggle to put the ball on the money 13 out of 15 times in practice against no coverage. I think he deserves some credit for playing quite well.
Noyer each spring he’s had significant participation in has looked like a stud. But he comes into a real game and can’t make it work. To me, it’s all a mental thing and that doesn’t seem like something you can really overcome at the college level. It doesn’t affect you as much in high school when you’re the best athlete/player on the field 95% of the time. It does affect you at the FBS levelI used to think that too but both Noyer and Lytle looked pretty dang good in the spring game. I have a feeling that Montez isn’t pretty dang good this season HCMT might start looking to the future
I grew up with furious hatred for the red. I would love to transfer my hatred over to the condoms, but it was such a different feeling of disdain as the Fusker game got closer last year. Nothing I feel towards PAC teams comes close to that anger I feel towards FuskerYes! We need to direct our collective hate to USC. Allbuffs, It is time.
He had a good spring game against way sub-par corners. Please recall his game experience as well.Subpar CBs or not, Noyer was still hitting guys in stride. There are a lot of QBs who struggle to put the ball on the money 13 out of 15 times in practice against no coverage. I think he deserves some credit for playing quite well.
I hate USC more than I hate the cornshuckers.
Mainly because the cornshuckers are irrelevant now.
Correct. Montez had a few wide open receivers that he badly missed. Was throwing off his back foot often. More of the same as when he was a Sophomore, tbh. He also has a self-preservation mode when running (maybe Roper influenced?) that certainly cost CU multiple times last year I’m crucial situations, that a college QB absolutely cannot afford to do.
I certainly hope they gave/are giving Noyer and Lytle a look with the 1s before completely settling on him.
So just assume Montez is QB1 without legitimate competition? I was told multiple times that backup QBs need meaningful reps.And take critical reps with 1s away from Montez when maybe only 1/2 of install - and certainly not all checks - have been implemented? 10 percent of snaps AT MOST. QB3 might get reps 2X per week, MAYBE.