What hype? I haven't seen very much hype on him...much much more for Simas
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What hype? I haven't seen very much hype on him...much much more for Simas
exactly. jfly is always thrown in at the end of a wr discussion. ****, we talk more about simmons contributing and he's not even on campus yet.
Answer me this - is he the best WR that has been at CU the last two seasons? Yes or no. If yes, then he can't possibly be overrated. If no, I'd like to know who you think was better.
Unleash Hell
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He has not recieved a lot of hype. He has been more known as Darrell Scott's nephew that helped us land Scott more than he has been hyped as a WR. The man that was hyped the most in the same class as JFly, is Simas who hasn't even played yet.
scotty could give him a running for that title.
FIFY:smile2:
with kiesau's recent comments of definitely going back to a pro-style, two back offense, it would set up nicely for him to be that.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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For 2008 - Scotty McKnight was a much better wide receiver.
For 2007 - Scotty McKnight and Tyson Devree were both better receivers.
Did it occur to you that McKnight and DeVree caught more balls because they were single-teamed and Josh Smith was double-teamed most of the last two years?
Do you just pull this cr@p out of your a$$ with salad tongs or do you pay a 14 year old 6th grader for your material?
that and he catches anything in sight.
That helps too.:smile2:
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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Nobody double teamed Josh Smith last year. Claiming that teams did is pulling crap out of your ass.
Sexton Hardcastle
Club Member
Wow. Did you actually watch any of the games? To busy with your sooners?
He's obviously a very dangerous with the ball in his hands, and he's kinda fast. Why wouldn't you put an extra guy on him?
Oh that's right, Slade says he's a scrub. My bad.
Debatable in both cases, and Devree is a TE, not a WR.
Sexton Hardcastle
Club Member
I specifically remember WVU and FSU putting an extra man on Josh. He was the only receiving threat we had. Sure McKnight is a good receiver, but he doesn't have the ability to go for six every time he touches the ball.
Vs. FSU 7 catches for 85yds and 1 TD.
Vs. WVU 5 catches for 75 yards and 1TD
Not Crabtree-like numbers. But I don't think anyone was trying to say he was among the best receivers in the conference. But he's clearly the biggest receiving threat CU had last year.
I say we watch him play his Jr. and Sr. years before slapping the overrated label on Josh. But that's just my wacky opinion.
Vs. FSU 7 catches for 85yds and 1 TD.
Vs. WVU 5 catches for 75 yards and 1TD
Not Crabtree-like numbers. But I don't think anyone was trying to say he was among the best receivers in the conference. But he's clearly the biggest receiving threat CU had last year.
I say we watch him play his Jr. and Sr. years before slapping the overrated label on Josh. But that's just my wacky opinion.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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I specifically remember WVU and FSU putting an extra man on Josh. He was the only receiving threat we had. Sure McKnight is a good receiver, but he doesn't have the ability to go for six every time he touches the ball.
Vs. FSU 7 catches for 85yds and 1 TD.
Vs. WVU 5 catches for 75 yards and 1TD
Not Crabtree-like numbers. But I don't think anyone was trying to say he was among the best receivers in the conference. But he's clearly the biggest receiving threat CU had last year.
I say we watch him play his Jr. and Sr. years before slapping the overrated label on Josh. But that's just my wacky opinion.
Really? How about I get an opinion, too. My opinion is, he's overrated.
:thumbsup:
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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Debatable? Really?
2008
McKnight - 46 catches, 519 yards, 5 TD's, 9 catches of 20+ yards.
Scott - 29 catches, 387 yards, 3 TD's, 6 catches of 20+ yards.
2007
McKnight - 43 catches, 488 yards, 4 TD's, 7 catches of 20+ yards.
Devree - 28 catches, 308 yards, 6 TD's, 3 catches of 20+ yards.
Smith - 23 catches, 451 yards, 0 TD's, 9 catches of 20+ yards.
In 2008 and 2007 there's no question who the best WR on the team was - it wasn't Josh Smith.
He still has a lot of time to turn into a very good receiver.
Over-rated is the wrong word because he came in without much in ratings.
Underachieved is the right word. Not based on early expectations, but based on glimmers of amazing talent we've seen at times. Hey, we think he can do more, based on those nuggets. Some of it's the system and some of it appears to be maturity. Josh isn't yet the WR he can become, I'm sure. He has some amazing talent in there, and the Buffs need to find a way to get to it, and certainly part of that equation is Josh himself stepping up.
Underachieved is the right word. Not based on early expectations, but based on glimmers of amazing talent we've seen at times. Hey, we think he can do more, based on those nuggets. Some of it's the system and some of it appears to be maturity. Josh isn't yet the WR he can become, I'm sure. He has some amazing talent in there, and the Buffs need to find a way to get to it, and certainly part of that equation is Josh himself stepping up.
rodrigo
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Don't confuse the Colonel. He's got an opinion, GODDAMMIT! This is America, GODDAMIT!
Yes. Debatable. Scotty is a good receiver, but doesn't have the speed that Smith has. That part is not debatable. When Smith gets double teamed, Scotty gets open and he gets the ball more often. Plus, the routes McKnight runs are different in nature than the ones Smith runs - by design. They're different receivers with different skill sets. Both are good. Smith is more of a home-run threat. McKnight is more of a possession receiver. That's where the debate comes in. We can go at this all day if you'd like. That's called a debate.
McKnight is the Joel Klatt of WR's. I love the kid, but he's not a top level Big 12 receiver. He is a good contributor to the offense, and has produced well over the last two years. I'm glad he plays for us.
Well yeah, we don't currently have any top level Big 12 receivers. I'm not necessarily saying it is a good sign that McKnight has had the best production the past couple seasons, but he has stepped up. I would also argue that McKnight has had pretty good production for a guy playing out of position for the most part. He is an ideal slot receiver that has been playing wideout for the most part.
I think McKnight, in concert with Smith, Simas and Simmons will make a very solid receiving corps. Throw Darden, Ussery, and Clemons into the mix and we will have a top level Big 12 receiving corps in 2010.
Highflyer
Club Member
I believe you said he was the most overrated CU WR evar (notice 13 year girl spelling of ever). Nice try captain hyperbole.
You got called out for that comment, if you had said "on the roster" then you would not have caught the heat you did.
Ever hear of Blake Mackey? The 4 star WR that had one good game against NU and was then the second coming of Michael Westbrook. Now that's overrated.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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I do remember Blake Mackey. But I do not remember ever seeing anyone call him the Buffs #1 offensive weapon. I could be wrong.
For the hype CU fans have given him, Josh Smith has not yet performed. Maybe he will prove me wrong this season and next.