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Pac 12 network / direct tv (PACN now on fuboTV streaming)
- Thread starter absinthe
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Comcast by itself has more customers than DT - DT+Uverse is slightly larger than comcast. When you ad dish to the equation the combined marketshare of Dish/Comcast roughly is 1.5x that of At&t, this ignores time warner but they are about the same size as Dish.
Larry Scott did get a deal done the pac-12 presidents killed it, if you read the article - their main reasoning was that it would fundamentally have changed the business model for the network and threatened its long term profitability.
ATT numbers: http://informitv.com/2015/07/26/att-now-largest-pay-television-provider/
Dish: http://variety.com/2015/digital/new...n-q1-blaming-programming-disputes-1201492107/
Wilner's article on why the deal was killed:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...th-directv-as-negotiations-with-att-collapse/
It's unfortunate that a deal couldn't get done, not for those that live in the footprint that have access to options, but for the unfortunate fact that the Pac-12 Network remains a regional sports channel. I will be interested to see more details surrounding the failed deal. Onward and upward.
I do agree with someone's earlier post that it would be smarter to pair with a sports channel (fox, espn, etc.) rather than a distributor like DTV. Fox, ESPN, etc. would at least have a vested interest in getting the channel on multiple platforms, while ATT/DTV would be less likely to care about putting the network on competing carriers.
I am, however, curious about the inclusion of a Favored Nations Clause in the contracts with Dish and Comcast. Does anyone know if including such a clause is standard operating in the telecom industry? I certainly don't have experience in that industry, so just curious if it is standard. If it is not, it could indicate the uphill battle the network has been fighting since day one. Not looking to criticize LS/Pac further, just curious. Any insights would be appreciated.
I do agree with someone's earlier post that it would be smarter to pair with a sports channel (fox, espn, etc.) rather than a distributor like DTV. Fox, ESPN, etc. would at least have a vested interest in getting the channel on multiple platforms, while ATT/DTV would be less likely to care about putting the network on competing carriers.
I am, however, curious about the inclusion of a Favored Nations Clause in the contracts with Dish and Comcast. Does anyone know if including such a clause is standard operating in the telecom industry? I certainly don't have experience in that industry, so just curious if it is standard. If it is not, it could indicate the uphill battle the network has been fighting since day one. Not looking to criticize LS/Pac further, just curious. Any insights would be appreciated.
There was an old Wilner article on this - i seem to recall that it wasn't uncommon based on what he was writing I'll try and dig it up.
Out here in Cincinnati, I'm trying to get by on the stipends that we withhold from athletes that don't behaved.
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http://blogs.mercurynews.com/colleg...v-miss-and-the-future-of-the-pac-12-networks/
"First off, AT&T’s push for an equity stake in the networks, reported on the Hotline last week, was not part of the final proposal, according to sources.
AT&T wanted equity, to be sure, but that piece was removed at some point before the Pac-12’s presidents and chancellors voted on the deal. (I believe the vote was Friday night but haven’t confirmed the date.)
Think about that: No equity handover to AT&T, and yet it was still a “very bad deal” for the conference, according to one industry source with knowledge of the offer.
*** The larger issues addressed on the Hotline last week held true throughout the negotiations and vote:
The AT&T offer would have 1) forced the Pac-12 to overhaul its business model, 2) rewrite the terms of agreements with current partners, 3) potentially subject itself to litigation and 4) compromised the entire endeavor and the integrity of the universities."
"First off, AT&T’s push for an equity stake in the networks, reported on the Hotline last week, was not part of the final proposal, according to sources.
AT&T wanted equity, to be sure, but that piece was removed at some point before the Pac-12’s presidents and chancellors voted on the deal. (I believe the vote was Friday night but haven’t confirmed the date.)
Think about that: No equity handover to AT&T, and yet it was still a “very bad deal” for the conference, according to one industry source with knowledge of the offer.
*** The larger issues addressed on the Hotline last week held true throughout the negotiations and vote:
The AT&T offer would have 1) forced the Pac-12 to overhaul its business model, 2) rewrite the terms of agreements with current partners, 3) potentially subject itself to litigation and 4) compromised the entire endeavor and the integrity of the universities."
that is an article worth reading.
buffalo1
Club Member
My lame random thoughts on this all...
Regarding "cord cutters", those of us who watch sports really can't cut the cord. And even if streaming was available for all CU sports content, it doesn't work for me because I most often need to time shift.
Those who brag about watching everything through a stream must either watch only tv series and movies that can be pulled in anytime. Or, be available to watch sports from start time to finish time. I look forward to the day the delayed stream is common for sports. (I do believe ESPN3 content is available for some time after the event.)
I had DTV a few years back and switched to DISH when P12Net began. I was happy with DTV but wanted Pac12Net. I was happy with DISH too then. I just switched to Comcast due to loss of signal to my dish. Comcast is fine so far but their DVR is woefully small compared with what the two satellite companies have.
Regarding "cord cutters", those of us who watch sports really can't cut the cord. And even if streaming was available for all CU sports content, it doesn't work for me because I most often need to time shift.
Those who brag about watching everything through a stream must either watch only tv series and movies that can be pulled in anytime. Or, be available to watch sports from start time to finish time. I look forward to the day the delayed stream is common for sports. (I do believe ESPN3 content is available for some time after the event.)
I had DTV a few years back and switched to DISH when P12Net began. I was happy with DTV but wanted Pac12Net. I was happy with DISH too then. I just switched to Comcast due to loss of signal to my dish. Comcast is fine so far but their DVR is woefully small compared with what the two satellite companies have.
Wilner has provided good coverage on the issue but he is the kiss of death regarding his predictions about coming to an agreement with DTV. I got really worried when he started saying there was a a high percentage chance of a done deal. I wish he had stayed quiet since it raised fan expectations. If I'm Larry Scott I'd pour all of my focus into making the channel available at current rates as part of the eventual streaming package Apple puts together as part of Apple TV. P12 Network is a deal by the standards of most RSNs and maybe they can sell it as having some sports available if Apple doesn't want to cough up the $7 bucks a month the Mouse demands for the ESPN package.
dply
Doble hoja
I used to hate that too and I'd prefer a much bigger DVR but the X1 gives a good amount and Comcast's OnDemand blows the satelite companies away. So I really don't need to record that much TV.
I used to keep all the CU games on the DVR so I could watch them in the off season but I cannot stand to watch them in the off season any more.
I solved that by buying a Tivo Roamio DVR and a Tivo Mini for the the other room. The payback is a couple of years because you still have to pay for guide data on the main box (the mini had a deal that included lifetime guide data) but in the long run ends up being cheaper since I don't have have to pay for equipment rental from Comcast, just for a Cablecard. Its got six separate tuners and a lot more storage space. You can also access full DVR functionality and programs from the additional Mini boxes which I don't think you can do with X1.
The guide isn't quite as slick as the X1 graphically, but its snappier and not nearly as buggy. It also has access to Comcast's OnDemand content and integrated apps for Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, Pandora, etc with universal search across all the apps for looking for ways to watch a show and you don't have to switch inputs. Also has an iPhone / iPad / Android app to check the guide or set the DVR remotely PLUS the equivalent of a built in Sling box to stream any of your live TV content to you phone or tablet (I think you might need to be on WiFi for that though). I think you can also transfer programs stored on the DVR to your tablet if you want catch up on some shows while traveling.
With ESPN on SlingTV, I think it's just a matter of time before you can pay to receive streamed sports networks like the Pac12Net without a cable subscription. Also only a matter of time that games would be available to stream for some time after they are played. I would've told TimeWarner to take a hike and switched to Sling were it not impossible for me to get the local networks over the air and the Pac12Net. If the Pac12Net did offer stand alone streaming, I would probably cancel my cable.
All I am saying is all this falls on the lap of the Pac12.
You should be doing everything possible to get YOUR product out to the masses. You have to advertise your product for it to grow. Business 101. If that means bending a little? then ****ing bend. We are talking 100's of thousand fans not being able to see a product that is for sale?? I could see a good lawyer getting a breach of contract suit going if they tried.
You should be doing everything possible to get YOUR product out to the masses. You have to advertise your product for it to grow. Business 101. If that means bending a little? then ****ing bend. We are talking 100's of thousand fans not being able to see a product that is for sale?? I could see a good lawyer getting a breach of contract suit going if they tried.
Sounds like what ATT/DTV is asking for is more than just bending a little.
I think you're confusing marketing with channel strategy.
In this case, accepting ATT/DTVs deal would have led to a bunch of unintended consequences regarding current deals with other carriers, and, if they accepted the version containing equity and/or campus rights, profits down the road.
Just because YOU want P12 on DTV or ATT doesn't mean that not accepting a deal is bad business.
One random thought I had about this is that it's probably really hurting the PAC that its largest media market doesn't have an NFL team. Which means there's no loyalty to the local team: every NFL fan in LA is literally a fan of a team in a different city - you know, the people to whom Sunday Ticket is most valuable.
If half the NFL fans in the city were loyal fans of the local team, I'm betting DTV would have seen a lot more defections in the 2nd largest media market in the country - and that would make a difference at the negotiating table.
If half the NFL fans in the city were loyal fans of the local team, I'm betting DTV would have seen a lot more defections in the 2nd largest media market in the country - and that would make a difference at the negotiating table.
Yeah, totally. My did killed Osama.
Whines?
Did you consider that you could get P12N and Dish for less before you typed that tl;dr?
Darian3Hagan
'89 Player of the Year
I like the way DTv treats me as a customer, face it the Pac12 network just isn't as valuable as we would like it to be and the University of Colorado is not helping.
NiTownBuff
Club Member
Great article by Wilner. So....how important is the success of the P12 Network to the schools? Do they hold out? Do they decide to give up equity to a network to help get carriage? Or do they play the other card that frightens the **** out of me - expansion to increase value of the network and the conference? Not to regurgitate old arguments, but I know most of us on here want nothing to do with UT or any of the Texas cronies down there. But if they were to join the Pac, TV negotiations are a whole new ball game.
There is another card. They save the best games only for their network. At this point I'd consider it in order to force the hands of some fans. Combine that with a streaming offer to counter the DTV weight.
OUBuff
American
Well, that would be good for those Buff fans that have DTV