Pac-12 Network

[married2abuff]

This would absolutely suck and piss me off to no end.

 

[Deleted member 807]

Yeah, definitely some faulty reasoning by Miami. I'd bet that there are more UCLA and USC fans in San Diego than SDSU fans just as there are more CU and CSU fans than DU fans in Denver and more Texas fans than TCU or SMU fans in DFW

I’d need to see some support for the thesis that UT remains the biggest draw in DFW. Several factors lead to my skepticism:
A&M recently surpassed UT as the most profitable program in the state. SEC-cess.
DFW likes winners, and UT hasn't won the Big12 title in the last 9 seasons (and only 4 times in last 20 years.)
UT hasn’t sniffed the CFP. Advantage Oklahoma & TCU
The city of Ft Worth has gone to big lengths to align with TCU. With ESPN game day visiting Sundance Square, TCU’s logos are all over bus benches, lamp posts, and billboards. Lots of TCU themed Christmas lights along Camp Bowie and Crestline country club.
Jerry World hosts various matchups with the likes of Alabama, Michigan, Florida State, Arkansas, BYU. Meanwhile UT mainly comes to Dallas for the Red River Rivalry, but misses out on most Cotton Bowls & all Advocare Classics. The old Cotton Bowl at Fair Park is showing its age and pretty much sucks relative to modern facilities.
Dallas is a city of transplants from all over the US, many of whom have no affinity for the Longhorns.
The Longhorn Network is an unmitigated disaster. And with the proliferation of cable sports networks, cord cutters, and other carriage options, the Longhorns are far from must-see TV.
UT game day is an expensive and stressful road trip. I35 is a bumper to bumper white knuckle drive, the hotels and UT ticket prices soak you, which prices out all but the most passionate and well healed DFW college fans.

Speaking personally, I see a lot less UT branded gear with each passing year. The Longhorn store next to Northpark mall closed down. Academy sports and airport shops carry a pretty balanced selection of A&M, Texas Tech, UT, Baylor (barf), OU, and either TCU, SMU, or North Texas, depending on which side of town you are on.

All this could change when or if UT ascends to a CFP contender. But the reality of the last 10 years is that UT has underperformed and suffered from buzz killing mediocrity for any millennial or younger who didn’t graduate from Austin. For now, DFW is still a Cowboys town with a fractured CFP following and more gripping options than Hook ‘Em.

If the P12 wants to get into DFW with OU and UT, they’d be wise to get a more matchups at Jerryworld that includes OU and UT vs other teams in the conference.

 

[ahoelsken]

I’d need to see some support for the thesis that UT remains the biggest draw in DFW. Several factors lead to my skepticism:
A&M recently surpassed UT as the most profitable program in the state. SEC-cess.
DFW likes winners, and UT hasn't won the Big12 title in the last 9 seasons (and only 4 times in last 20 years.)
UT hasn’t sniffed the CFP. Advantage Oklahoma & TCU
The city of Ft Worth has gone to big lengths to align with TCU. With ESPN game day visiting Sundance Square, TCU’s logos are all over bus benches, lamp posts, and billboards. Lots of TCU themed Christmas lights along Camp Bowie and Crestline country club.
Jerry World hosts various matchups with the likes of Alabama, Michigan, Florida State, Arkansas, BYU. Meanwhile UT mainly comes to Dallas for the Red River Rivalry, but misses out on most Cotton Bowls & all Advocare Classics. The old Cotton Bowl at Fair Park is showing its age and pretty much sucks relative to modern facilities.
Dallas is a city of transplants from all over the US, many of whom have no affinity for the Longhorns.
The Longhorn Network is an unmitigated disaster. And with the proliferation of cable sports networks, cord cutters, and other carriage options, the Longhorns are far from must-see TV.
UT game day is an expensive and stressful road trip. I35 is a bumper to bumper white knuckle drive, the hotels and UT ticket prices soak you, which prices out all but the most passionate and well healed DFW college fans.

Speaking personally, I see a lot less UT branded gear with each passing year. The Longhorn store next to Northpark mall closed down. Academy sports and airport shops carry a pretty balanced selection of A&M, Texas Tech, UT, Baylor (barf), OU, and either TCU, SMU, or North Texas, depending on which side of town you are on.

All this could change when or if UT ascends to a CFP contender. But the reality of the last 10 years is that UT has underperformed and suffered from buzz killing mediocrity for any millennial or younger who didn’t graduate from Austin. For now, DFW is still a Cowboys town with a fractured CFP following and more gripping options than Hook ‘Em.

If the P12 wants to get into DFW with OU and UT, they’d be wise to get a more matchups at Jerryworld that includes OU and UT vs other teams in the conference.

DFW is similar to Denver in the sense that its always going to be NFL first-only difference is they've got more nationally relevant (OU is the best program west of the Mississippi right now, TCU is as nationally relevant as ever, A&M and Jimbo) college football than we do here. This Sugar Bowl is the biggest bowl game UT has played in in almost a decade-they've got a way to go to get back to where they once were.

 

[Deleted member 807]

DFW is similar to Denver in the sense that its always going to be NFL first-only difference is they've got more nationally relevant (OU is the best program west of the Mississippi right now, TCU is as nationally relevant as ever, A&M and Jimbo) college football than we do here. This Sugar Bowl is the biggest bowl game UT has played in in almost a decade-they've got a way to go to get back to where they once were.

One thing that tips to DFW’s favor when it comes to college football is that the Metroplex hosts multiple bowl games every year across multiple venues. It’s cool to see big groups of various college fan bases milling about town. I wish Denver had a retractable roof stadium and could host a couple hundred thousand college football fans during bowl season.

Cotton - Clemson v Notre Dame
First Responder - Boston College v Boise St
Armed Forces - Army v Houston
Frisco - Ohio v San Diego State

As for that path back, most people are happiest when UT fans are kept humble by mediocrity. I selfishly hope UT stays where they have sat for the last 10 years and continue to under deliver. That is an easy fan base to dislike.

 

[married2abuff]

I’d need to see some support for the thesis that UT remains the biggest draw in DFW. Several factors lead to my skepticism:
A&M recently surpassed UT as the most profitable program in the state. SEC-cess.
DFW likes winners, and UT hasn't won the Big12 title in the last 9 seasons (and only 4 times in last 20 years.)
UT hasn’t sniffed the CFP. Advantage Oklahoma & TCU
The city of Ft Worth has gone to big lengths to align with TCU. With ESPN game day visiting Sundance Square, TCU’s logos are all over bus benches, lamp posts, and billboards. Lots of TCU themed Christmas lights along Camp Bowie and Crestline country club.
Jerry World hosts various matchups with the likes of Alabama, Michigan, Florida State, Arkansas, BYU. Meanwhile UT mainly comes to Dallas for the Red River Rivalry, but misses out on most Cotton Bowls & all Advocare Classics. The old Cotton Bowl at Fair Park is showing its age and pretty much sucks relative to modern facilities.
Dallas is a city of transplants from all over the US, many of whom have no affinity for the Longhorns.
The Longhorn Network is an unmitigated disaster. And with the proliferation of cable sports networks, cord cutters, and other carriage options, the Longhorns are far from must-see TV.
UT game day is an expensive and stressful road trip. I35 is a bumper to bumper white knuckle drive, the hotels and UT ticket prices soak you, which prices out all but the most passionate and well healed DFW college fans.

Speaking personally, I see a lot less UT branded gear with each passing year. The Longhorn store next to Northpark mall closed down. Academy sports and airport shops carry a pretty balanced selection of A&M, Texas Tech, UT, Baylor (barf), OU, and either TCU, SMU, or North Texas, depending on which side of town you are on.

All this could change when or if UT ascends to a CFP contender. But the reality of the last 10 years is that UT has underperformed and suffered from buzz killing mediocrity for any millennial or younger who didn’t graduate from Austin. For now, DFW is still a Cowboys town with a fractured CFP following and more gripping options than Hook ‘Em.

If the P12 wants to get into DFW with OU and UT, they’d be wise to get a more matchups at Jerryworld that includes OU and UT vs other teams in the conference.

Mtn, is that you?

 

[ahoelsken]

One thing that tips to DFW’s favor when it comes to college football is that the Metroplex hosts multiple bowl games every year across multiple venues. It’s cool to see big groups of various college fan bases milling about town. I wish Denver had a retractable roof stadium and could host a couple hundred thousand college football fans during bowl season.

Cotton - Clemson v Notre Dame
First Responder - Boston College v Boise St
Armed Forces - Army v Houston
Frisco - Ohio v San Diego State

As for that path back, most people are happiest when UT fans are kept humble by mediocrity. I selfishly hope UT stays where they have sat for the last 10 years and continue to under deliver. That is an easy fan base to dislike.

Nowhere near as easy as Nebraska fans

 

[ahoelsken]

Yup, the only schools in the Western part of the country that will move the needle enough to make a significant difference are OU and Texas. Deal with it. People need to get over thinking that the Pac is too good for Texas because the other option is to sit around idly and continue to be left further behind and quite possibly become a non-factor among the big boys down the road.

That won't work-Stanford is private so they can do whatever they want, but I don't see the pols in Washington letting the Huskies out of this conference without WSU. What I'd do is take the LA schools, Stanford, Colorado, and maybe Utah.

 

[skibum]

What I'd do is take the LA schools, Stanford, Colorado, and maybe Utah.

I don't think the UC system would let UCLA go without Cal coming along.

At the end of the day, USC, Stanford, CU and Utah are the only schools that wouldn't have potential "little brother" issues.

 

[somebody]

The B12 would have to get rid of its putrid cellmate before honorable schools joined that conference.

 

[MiamiBuffs]

I don't think the UC system would let UCLA go without Cal coming along.

At the end of the day, USC, Stanford, CU and Utah are the only schools that wouldn't have potential "little brother" issues.

I dont think any of the California schools would join the BigXii. Maybe Arizona or ASU would. This flock of Presidents seems far too united towards nobler causes and unity than being purely motivated money. Second, they also dont likely see their future student populations lying heavily east of the Mississippi river either. Further, why join a conference where there will continue to be unequal revenue sharing?

This would absolutely suck and piss me off to no end.

The future reality is probably the BigXii being ripped apart by the expansion of the SEC, ACC and Big10 to 16 teams apiece at the next round of TV contracts. Its easily the most vulnerable conference with uneven revenue sharing and a lack of a conference network. Certainly there are others unhappy with the current arrangement.

Once the Longhorn Network farce ends (or the Okla schools jump first) UT will likely be left with an ultimatum to choose or stay in a weaker conference (and lose the LHN anyways) or go. Once either of those happen UT makes its move into the SEC or ACC. Plus ESPN already holds the cards on that in that they can sweeten the pot to get UT into one of them.

In the end I dont see Texas or OU ever coming this way to the Pac 12 because they dont want to play in the cursed pacific time zone.

 

[Buffnik]

I dont think any of the California schools would join the BigXii. Maybe Arizona or ASU would. This flock of Presidents seems far too united towards nobler causes and unity than being purely motivated money. Second, they also dont likely see their future student populations lying heavily east of the Mississippi river either. Further, why join a conference where there will continue to be unequal revenue sharing?



The future reality is probably the BigXii being ripped apart by the expansion of the SEC, ACC and Big10 to 16 teams apiece at the next round of TV contracts. Its easily the most vulnerable conference with uneven revenue sharing and a lack of a conference network. Certainly there are others unhappy with the current arrangement.

Once the Longhorn Network farce ends anyways UT will likely be left with an ultimatum to choose or stay or go. Once ESPN tells them they have no intention of continuing the LHN UT makes its move into the SEC or ACC. Plus ESPN already holds the cards on that in that they can sweeten the pot to get UT into one of them.

In the end I dont see Texas or OU coming this way to the Pac 12 mostly because they dont want to play in the cursed pacific time zone.

Exactly this. Current perception is that the Pac-12 is weak and the Big 12 is a better conference. They don't even have their own network and they're in the prime location for other conferences to pick off members.

WVU is a natural fit for the ACC.

KU, ISU and OU are all likely targets for the B1G.

TCU, OU and OSU are natural targets for the SEC.

Everyone wants UT.

The next round of realignment will not be the Big 12 poaching from the Pac-12. The next round will be kicked off by the Big Ten expanding to 16 or even 20 (yes, they have kicked the idea around of going that big).