Some of the opinions on here of the talent gaps don't correlate with reality. We have an edge, but we are not close to the point where we should expect to sit starters by mid 3Q.
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Predicted Offensive Line Starters for Aug 31
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GoldenSkier
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Hopefully Ray is healthy enough to forge a role. I would love to see him, sherman and Moretti develop together.
Against the sheep we should be up by at least 3 TDs early in the third, and yes at that point you are rotating starters out and getting second team guys in.
Last year the sheep couldn't score a TD on a Buffs defense that turned out to be weak the rest of the season. This years Buff defense should be better and the CSU offense lost a lot of their best talent.
Bad news was that our offense peed down it's leg much of the game to keep the game close, that shouldn't be the case this year.
2016 We were up by 21 at half, and 24 less than 2 minutes into the second half.
We do have that big a talent gap, or should. There is not an excuse for CU not to dominate this game. That doesn't mean dominate it like we are playing an FCS school but truthfully how many CSU players would start for CU or an average PAC12 team, how many would be on the two deep? A few but not many.
I do think there is a pretty big talent gap, but that doesn’t mean there is the expectation that we can pull starters by the 3rd quarter, nor has anything during MM’s tenure here suggested that they would pull the starters in the 3rd quarter, even if they were up by 24
They beat us decisively after the 1Q. They had the edge in every statistic minus turnovers and missed Pass Interferences, by games end.
That was an evenly played game at best.
They felt cheated and we will see their best. They will be a hornets nest. Please stop talking about 3 td lleads at half way point. That has rarely happened.
That was an evenly played game at best.
They felt cheated and we will see their best. They will be a hornets nest. Please stop talking about 3 td lleads at half way point. That has rarely happened.
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DrunkRalphie
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You give CSU way too much credit.
Turnovers are one of the most important stats in football though. It was clear the offense got conservative and was content moving the ball into CSU territory and flipping field position to force CSU to try and make plays.
I agree to a point. Was a really weird second half. CU clearly went away from a game plan that seemed to be working to me, but the last two o pass interference penalties were definitely questionable. The last one was a terrible call.
CSU D is gonna be turrible this year, though. Even with a questionable o line, this team should be able to move the ball.
Supposedly he wasn’t even close to healthy in the spring. Would be surprised if we even see him this year due to that.
That seemed more precautionary but I was surprised to see him listed as someone who could make an impact in fall camp by woelk a week or so ago. I didn’t expect for him to be mentioned. Either way if he gets completely healthy and can help down the stretch it would be huge because he plays with a serious mean streak like moretti does.
Or you're giving CU too much?
GoldenSkier
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Moretti seems like a brawler. Ray has a very similar build to him as well. I wish Polley was around this year
It was a harbinger of the struggles our defense was going to face during the season. Hopefully some of those issues have been rectified. Hopefully.
DrunkRalphie
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CU had one of the worst defenses in the country last year and was the worst P5 running defense by a decent margin. CSU managed three points, three. I know there were some PI calls in there, but c'mon. If they had some great offense I'd expect a helluva lot more than three points even if the refs were against them. CSU hasn't won in three years and hasn't lost by less than 14 in two. On top of that they just graduated a ton of talent from the supposed strength of their team. Winning by double digits isn't being over confident.
And I'm tired of giving credence to the OPI garbage. Yes one was flat out a bad call, one was marginal, and one was easily the right call when the WR grabbed the DB by the jersey and changed his direction.
Does CSU win a few of these games? Yes, they live for this game, it is the measure of their season. We do have to take them seriously. If we have our acts together though this isn't a close game.
CUFan
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I feel like our talent is maybe somewhat better, but not enough for any real separation. If we were pulling in a lot of the best kids in the country, then there would be a huge gap. But since we are mostly pulling in average recruits there is just no telling how good those recruits will be (on either team).
While we may be better than we were 4 years ago, I think we are still a low to mid P5 team, which really isn’t that different than a WAC/MWC squad. Maybe the odds would better for us versus a WAC/MWC team on any Saturday, but not that much (maybe 60/40).
While we may be better than we were 4 years ago, I think we are still a low to mid P5 team, which really isn’t that different than a WAC/MWC squad. Maybe the odds would better for us versus a WAC/MWC team on any Saturday, but not that much (maybe 60/40).
247 Recruiting Rankings
2014: CU 74 CSU 86
2015: CU 69 CSU 119
2016: CU 69 CSU 76
2017: CU 35 CSU 73
2018: CU 53 CSU 84
That's two years of negligible differences and three years of solid differences in recruiting. If I just had confidence in our OL and DL, I would be predicting a solid win without many questions.
2014: CU 74 CSU 86
2015: CU 69 CSU 119
2016: CU 69 CSU 76
2017: CU 35 CSU 73
2018: CU 53 CSU 84
That's two years of negligible differences and three years of solid differences in recruiting. If I just had confidence in our OL and DL, I would be predicting a solid win without many questions.
All true. But....
CSU played us at least even. We got out early and then they adjusted and we did nothing on their really awful D.
Historically, whenever I've read on here how much they've lost and how much we'd kill them by, it's inevitably been horse ****. Dating at least 20 years. And everyone on here knows it.
We are almost certainly going to have a dog fight on our hands and their losses have been plugged. I am quite sure they will be tough if they have found some young DBs and a QB.
DrunkRalphie
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You're a bunch of bed wetters.
DrunkRalphie
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They played us even and lost by 14. Amazing logic.
DrunkRalphie
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Honest question: You'd trade the rosters straight up and still feel just as good about winning football games?
They had one certain TD taken away and another at the 15 taken away by bad calls. Plus lost the turnover battle. Do the math pal.
Can't believe I'm discussing logic with Drunkralphie.
CUFan
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No. What I was trying to write was that I think our talent is better, but I’m not sure exactly how much. I feel like any recruiting ranking greater than about 30 is fairly inaccurate and the separation between a 30 and 60 may not be all that much.
But, absolutely do I think our roster is better, I just don’t think it’s that much better that we would win 9 times out of ten (for example).
As the two teams are currently constructed, I do believe CU wins 9/10 times. I think last year’s teams, it’d be about 6/10 in favor of CU. I think last years CSU team was Bobo’s best he’s had there, but they let multiple opportunities slip.
DrunkRalphie
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75 out of 100?
JOEinDenver
National Championship or Bust
Add Pursell and Fillip to that list and I see a strong starting five in three years.
DrunkRalphie
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An ad hominem isn't much of an argument.
I didn't realize losing the turnover battle doesn't count against CSU.
8Jah
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Don’t see that much difference there.
I think it a lot to expect everything to click for the offense in the first game, with a green OC no less. So many moving parts for a team which has really struggled to find consistency for a least its last 15ish games over two seasons. Very doubtful that just gets erased right away. Should be a comfortable favorite and should win, but I foresee a pretty sloppy game regardless.