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Rank (or group) the Pac-12 head coaches

Let me have a shot at this-
1. Peterson
2. Shaw
3. Whittingham
4. MM
5. Anderson
6. Helton (simply because of the way he handled that team this year)
7. Leach

I've got a four way tie for 8th-Rodriguez, Graham, Mora, and Dykes are all on the hot seat IMO, and all of their teams had underwhelming years.
 
Mora has good seasons but I think he burns people out. He had a rep as an asshole in the NFL and doesn't seem to have changed. His son is a SR in high school, a LAX stud that has been committed to Maryland since his sophomore year, so I think Mora will be very open to leaving UCLA after next season.
 
Shaw/Petersen
Coach Mac
Whittingham (never won a division title, tanks every November)/Helton
Leach/Andersen
Everyone else

Whittingham has been without a good offense for the last 7 yrs, with very little offensive player development after Urban Meyers set the table then left for Florida. Whitt won't last another year if he doesn't score points. Anderson is a players coach and can develop talent. He did watch Luke Falk play every Friday night though, and didn't offer him a scholarship, or even a PWO. The jury is still out, but I worry more about OSU then say AU. Shaw and Petersen have both won championships and recruited well. Mac has also won, although only a division championship. But pulling the program out of a tar pit and creating the luster of a top 10 team is very impressive. Mac could easily be up with Shaw and Petersen, or even surpass them. Time will tell. Helton is an unknown. If he produces, I still don't see him with Mac, Shaw and Petersen. USC will win because of talent. Leach will be dangerous in any given game, but won't win championships. The rest are firings waiting to happen next year or the next.
 
How many National Coach of the year awards have MM's peers in the PAC12 received?
How many of these guys have pulled a program out of the abyss of being the laughingstock worst program in P5 for several years running to a division champion?

I'll go with 2 groups:
MacIntyre
The rest of em.

Actually Anderson, Leach and Peterson are in group 1a.
 
Peterson
Shaw
MM
Whittingham
Helton
Anderson
Leach
Mora
Dykes
Rich Rod
Graham.

Graham plunged due to that teams absolute suckiness this year. I had flashbacks to Embree teams when I saw ASU play this year. Complete ineptitude. I don't know if he can turn that around. The trajectory in Tempe isn't pretty.
 
patebuff said:
I am not sure Wittingham is in that first group. He is a very good coach, but he seems to be complete jackass. Its a problem when you are replacing coordinators every year, IMO. Otherwise, I like the lists from above. I think Clay Helton could be in that first group. USC always has talent and I think he has found a way to maximize that.
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Idk about Helton. Seemed like they played like crap til Darnauld (sp?) came in. Also tuff w any USC coach...all that talent helps an avg coach look good.
 
cu62nu36 said:
How many National Coach of the year awards have MM's peers in the PAC12 received?
How many of these guys have pulled a program out of the abyss of being the laughingstock worst program in P5 for several years running to a division champion?

I'll go with 2 groups:
MacIntyre
The rest of em.

Actually Anderson, Leach and Peterson are in group 1a.
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Petersen has won a national COY award in three different seasons.
 
Interstlingly, PAC 12 is the only power five conference without a current head coach that's won a national championship.
 
sackman said:
Peterson
Shaw
MM
Whittingham
Helton
Anderson
Leach
Mora
Dykes
Rich Rod
Graham.

Graham plunged due to that teams absolute suckiness this year. I had flashbacks to Embree teams when I saw ASU play this year. Complete ineptitude. I don't know if he can turn that around. The trajectory in Tempe isn't pretty.
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I'd rank much the same, but I'd probably flop Helton and Whittingham and I'd flop Leach and Anderson. Helton doesn't have the longest track record as a HC, but what he has done in the 2nd have of this year is impressive. He certainly has talent, but it takes good coaching to get that talent moving in the proper direction.

Leach has proven himself at two P5 universities, so that's why I'd rank him above Anderson. But Anderson may move past him with a couple of years of success.
 
Bufffan68 said:
Idk about Helton. Seemed like they played like crap til Darnauld (sp?) came in. Also tuff w any USC coach...all that talent helps an avg coach look good.
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After that, they played like a top 5 team in every facet of the game. There's other teams with loaded talent that didn't (see FSU, LSU, aTm, Texas, UTjr.....) At this point, Helton looks like he could be the real deal. Will depend on how good his staff is, and how well they collectively evaluate and develop the talent, so we'll know in about 3 years, perhaps sooner.
 
It shouldn't go unnoticed that Utah, WSU, Colorado and Oregon ST have been pulling up the bottom in recruiting rankings the entire time we've been in the Pac12. Now that the recruiting is improving with some wins on the field, those warmer weather fans have to be getting nervous....
 
We probably undervalue Leach. TTU and Wazzu are not easy places to win. I'm not sure that he has a system that would translate and be challenging for national titles at a place with more resources, but he gets more out of programs with bottom half P5 resources than just about anyone could. Respect.
 
Buffnik said:
We probably undervalue Leach. TTU and Wazzu are not easy places to win. I'm not sure that he has a system that would translate and be challenging for national titles at a place with more resources, but he gets more out of programs with bottom half P5 resources than just about anyone could. Respect.
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I would probably rank him higher if his winning record was slightly worse, but more consistent.

OTOH, I'd be more willing to overlook inconsistency if his ceiling were higher, and maybe it would be higher if he were at schools where it was easier to win.
 
buffaholic said:
After that, they played like a top 5 team in every facet of the game. There's other teams with loaded talent that didn't (see FSU, LSU, aTm, Texas, UTjr.....) At this point, Helton looks like he could be the real deal. Will depend on how good his staff is, and how well they collectively evaluate and develop the talent, so we'll know in about 3 years, perhaps sooner.
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Good point about the other underperforming loaded teams. Jury is still out but he had them playing like a playoff team the last 8 games.
 
Still early/hard to judge Helton. Seems like they did well once the pressure and expectations were gone but that will not be the case at that school going forward. No USC team should ever lose 52-6 in a game of that magnitude so we will have to judge him on how they perform in those games going forward. All of the pressure was on UW late in the year and their main rivals were terrible this year.
 
241Volcanos said:
The early part of Mac's tenure was easy to duplicate. It's the 10 win season that is the tricky part.
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This is very true.

They'll have a hard time finding 10 wins on their schedule next year, but how many of us could find ten wins on our schedule this year? No way in Hell did I foresee wins at Oregon and Stanford. Thats why they play the games.
 
1. Petersen
2. MacIntyre
3. Shaw
4. Leach
5. Whittingham
6. Andersen
7. Helton
8. Taggart (not enough data to rank him higher)
9. Roderguiz
10. Mora
11. Graham
12. Dykes
 
zbuff said:
How good can Whittingham be if less than half of you can spell his name?
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Ha. Well, on that note, pretty much none of us can spell the name of the most successful coach in the history of college basketball. :D
 
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