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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
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Ray Polk is a Safety (Polk asked to be moved)
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
Does he have the skills to be a top-notch RB, absolutely and I don't think this has anything to do with his hands. He caught the ball well when he had chances in HS.
A person I trust who saw him play a number of times in HS and who has been involved in the game at a high level told me when he signed that Ray has the physical skills and reactions to develop into a guy who makes a living playing CB in the league. Of course until he hits the field and actually does it this is all speculation but if he is as good as I have been led to believe he could be more of a game changer on D than he would be on O considering that on O he would have to split time and touches with a bunch of other guys. I would love for us to have another safety in the program who is good enough that opposing coordinators adjust their game plans to go away from him. When you alter what your opponent does you alter the game.
As an aside, this may also mean that the coaching staff is feeling good about the progress that Speedy is making in his recovery and the progress that DS is making in getting over his ankle issues and getting into the kind of shape that will let him be a difference maker.
Does he have the skills to be a top-notch RB, absolutely and I don't think this has anything to do with his hands. He caught the ball well when he had chances in HS.
A person I trust who saw him play a number of times in HS and who has been involved in the game at a high level told me when he signed that Ray has the physical skills and reactions to develop into a guy who makes a living playing CB in the league. Of course until he hits the field and actually does it this is all speculation but if he is as good as I have been led to believe he could be more of a game changer on D than he would be on O considering that on O he would have to split time and touches with a bunch of other guys. I would love for us to have another safety in the program who is good enough that opposing coordinators adjust their game plans to go away from him. When you alter what your opponent does you alter the game.
As an aside, this may also mean that the coaching staff is feeling good about the progress that Speedy is making in his recovery and the progress that DS is making in getting over his ankle issues and getting into the kind of shape that will let him be a difference maker.
Sexton Hardcastle
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
Let's not rule out Anthony Perkins. He did a good job last season. Great athlete.
colinski
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
This topic is moving too fast to read everything so if I repeat something -- my apologies.
Polk requested the move, and it's not exactly a 'move' since he played DB in H.S. and has yet to play RB here (although he's been learning the position). Since it was his idea and a logical move then I can't help but endorse it.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt since it was his choice, and he has a better informed picture of how he fits in. The positive side of the issue is that we've suddenly picked up an extremely talented Safety, and that's very good news, despite people's preference for RBs versus Safties. I like the Safety position, and it's a very sensible move considering the depth picture on the team.
This topic is moving too fast to read everything so if I repeat something -- my apologies.
Polk requested the move, and it's not exactly a 'move' since he played DB in H.S. and has yet to play RB here (although he's been learning the position). Since it was his idea and a logical move then I can't help but endorse it.
I'd still love it if he saw a little time at RB just so we could see what he can do, and the spring game could allow further experimentation. We don't have to view this as necessarily permanent.
Let's give him the benefit of the doubt since it was his choice, and he has a better informed picture of how he fits in. The positive side of the issue is that we've suddenly picked up an extremely talented Safety, and that's very good news, despite people's preference for RBs versus Safties. I like the Safety position, and it's a very sensible move considering the depth picture on the team.
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colinski
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colinski
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
I think the reaction from some quarters here is based on the assumption that he was moved by the staff, as well as the relative love people exhibit towards RBs versus Safeties. It's a different story when we consider it was his idea.
I guess I'm a little more open to the idea of playing defense, although my initial reaction was the same as others' here. It didn't take long to like the idea of picking up a possibly great Safety, that was the position that I thought they missed on in this class.
I think the reaction from some quarters here is based on the assumption that he was moved by the staff, as well as the relative love people exhibit towards RBs versus Safeties. It's a different story when we consider it was his idea.
I guess I'm a little more open to the idea of playing defense, although my initial reaction was the same as others' here. It didn't take long to like the idea of picking up a possibly great Safety, that was the position that I thought they missed on in this class.
LongHaulBuff
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buffsyko
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
good band, don't know why you'd roll your eyes. :smile2:
Tool.
good band, don't know why you'd roll your eyes. :smile2:
buffsyko
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
HE asked for the move so, I take back all of my posts and say it's a great move :smile2:
HE asked for the move so, I take back all of my posts and say it's a great move :smile2:
SkiTownUSA
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
That about sums it up
That about sums it up
Highflyer
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colinski
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
The timing on this move -- right before the spring -- is very, very good. He gets the benefit of the entire off-season to learn the position. He's also on fairly even ground with his competition. It gives him a very good chance of seeing starting time at S, rather than sharing time at RB.
I think it's a wonderful move for him and the team, albeit surprising. He's probably been surveying the situation for a while before making the request. I prefer to look at it in a positive light -- he's looking to contribute sooner, and in a big way, rather than later.
The timing on this move -- right before the spring -- is very, very good. He gets the benefit of the entire off-season to learn the position. He's also on fairly even ground with his competition. It gives him a very good chance of seeing starting time at S, rather than sharing time at RB.
I think it's a wonderful move for him and the team, albeit surprising. He's probably been surveying the situation for a while before making the request. I prefer to look at it in a positive light -- he's looking to contribute sooner, and in a big way, rather than later.
buffsyko
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
As boulder buff stated, if he's going to move now is the best time so he can as you say have the off-season to learn the position.
I shouldn't care who they move,let's get a winning season and a bowl win no matter who or where people play.
As boulder buff stated, if he's going to move now is the best time so he can as you say have the off-season to learn the position.
I shouldn't care who they move,let's get a winning season and a bowl win no matter who or where people play.
Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
I don't like the move. I had dreams of hitting teams with a steady diet of Polk, Stewart, Scott over and over again until they sent trainers over to Hawk asking to pull off the dogs.
I also see the potential for injury at RB and having to re-insert him there.
JMHO.
I don't like the move. I had dreams of hitting teams with a steady diet of Polk, Stewart, Scott over and over again until they sent trainers over to Hawk asking to pull off the dogs.
I also see the potential for injury at RB and having to re-insert him there.
JMHO.
Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
I can understand where you're coming from, but where would we be if Mahnke or Perkins (or both) went down next year? At least at RB, we have some options, even after moving Polk.
I can understand where you're coming from, but where would we be if Mahnke or Perkins (or both) went down next year? At least at RB, we have some options, even after moving Polk.
Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
I think you will see more of this in the future. Hawk is going after true athletes with size and speed, and will find a place for them to play. :thumbsup:
Junction
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buffsyko
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Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
This is not ment to be a smart ass question, where is he tearing it up at? He showed some flashes before, hopefully he can again. Has he put on any weight?
This is not ment to be a smart ass question, where is he tearing it up at? He showed some flashes before, hopefully he can again. Has he put on any weight?
Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
He has literally been running rings around the other hernia patients....
And yes, this was meant to be a samrt *** response.:smile2:
He has literally been running rings around the other hernia patients....
And yes, this was meant to be a samrt *** response.:smile2:
Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
Ray's feelings were my only concern. He certainly has all the tools to be a big-time safety back there, and he addresses an immediate need (esp. since Moore went back to USC).
:woot:
Ray's feelings were my only concern. He certainly has all the tools to be a big-time safety back there, and he addresses an immediate need (esp. since Moore went back to USC).
After a full day to let this soak in, and with the additional info coming out, and considering his (and his fathers history), I am now officially stoked about this move. I loved his potential at RB, but frankly I loved his potential more than his potential at that position.
I think he waited till signing day just to see if Moore was gonna sign. If Moore signed, I bet Polk stays at RB. Since he didn't polk figured, well, time to make the move. Makes me excited for next year all the more!
Can't wait to see who starts in the spring game :thumbsup:
I think he waited till signing day just to see if Moore was gonna sign. If Moore signed, I bet Polk stays at RB. Since he didn't polk figured, well, time to make the move. Makes me excited for next year all the more!
Can't wait to see who starts in the spring game :thumbsup:
Re: Ray Polk is a Safety
Lockridge was back in pads for the second half of season. having spent half the season on IR, and with Speedy doing so well, they kept his redshirt on and used him on the scout team. That's where he tore it up, earning the award (with Simas) for outstanding offensive scout teamer.
http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3843&SPID=255&DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID=3633178
Lockridge was back in pads for the second half of season. having spent half the season on IR, and with Speedy doing so well, they kept his redshirt on and used him on the scout team. That's where he tore it up, earning the award (with Simas) for outstanding offensive scout teamer.
http://www.cubuffs.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=3843&SPID=255&DB_OEM_ID=600&ATCLID=3633178
colinski
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The depth at DB is a concern at this point, so I can't argue against the move on positional grounds. BTW -- has anyone heard of what's happening with Nate Vaiomounga since he was dismissed from the team? We posted on the depth situation at Safety before last season and I commented then that I hoped they'd eventually move him back to Safety. The current depth situation at Safety is a little scary. There's some numbers, but not enough quality nor experience.
SAFETY POSITION 09/10
27 Ewing, Vince S 6-0 205 RFr. RS Carlsbad, Calif. (Carlsbad)
12 Mahnke, Patrick S 6-1 200 So. 1L Parker, Colo. (Mountain Vista)
22 Meyer, Matt S 5-9 185 So. VR Laguna Niguel, Calif. (Santa Margarita)
46 Perkins, Anthony S 5-10 195 So. 1L Northglenn, Colo. (Northglenn)
26 Polk, Ray S 6-1 190 RFr. RS Scottsdale, Ariz. (Brophy Prep)
19 Sandersfeld, Travis S 6-0 200 So. 1L Limon, Colo. (Limon)
28 Smith, Bret S 5-11 190 Jr. 1L Highlands Ranch, Colo. (Regis)
Also, possibly -- 17 Hicks, Steven DB 5-10 175 RFr. RS Tyler, Texas (Whitehouse)
44 Adams, Trace DB 6-0 220 Sr. VR Steamboat Springs, Colo. (Steamboat Springs)
Yet one more, I forgot him:
21 Wright, Anthony CB 6-0 190 So. 1L Compton, Calif. (Compton)
SAFETY POSITION 09/10
27 Ewing, Vince S 6-0 205 RFr. RS Carlsbad, Calif. (Carlsbad)
12 Mahnke, Patrick S 6-1 200 So. 1L Parker, Colo. (Mountain Vista)
22 Meyer, Matt S 5-9 185 So. VR Laguna Niguel, Calif. (Santa Margarita)
46 Perkins, Anthony S 5-10 195 So. 1L Northglenn, Colo. (Northglenn)
26 Polk, Ray S 6-1 190 RFr. RS Scottsdale, Ariz. (Brophy Prep)
19 Sandersfeld, Travis S 6-0 200 So. 1L Limon, Colo. (Limon)
28 Smith, Bret S 5-11 190 Jr. 1L Highlands Ranch, Colo. (Regis)
Also, possibly -- 17 Hicks, Steven DB 5-10 175 RFr. RS Tyler, Texas (Whitehouse)
44 Adams, Trace DB 6-0 220 Sr. VR Steamboat Springs, Colo. (Steamboat Springs)
Yet one more, I forgot him:
21 Wright, Anthony CB 6-0 190 So. 1L Compton, Calif. (Compton)
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buffsyko
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I'm in agreement after hearing all the info.
buffsyko
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What's the story on wright? Is he staying at cb? Lot of positive talk about him before last year and not hearing anything about him anymore.
Where does Vigo fit into this picture? Anyways, I would say that after those 3, I worry. I know Polk hasn't played a down at S yet, but I just trust him to kick ass, and I trust Brown to coach him up. As for the other two, both are solid and dependable guys. I think Mahnke has the potential to be a GREAT college player.
However, ya, after the three in bold I am very much concerned. Sanderfield I at least know as a solid special teams guy. Vince and Bret I know NOTHING about...
Don't forget the frosh we have coming in, but ya, I would rather RS those guys than throw them into the fire.
However, barring injuries, with those 3 guys and Brown coaching... I think we will be fine next season. :woot: