fairdinkum
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so what does this mean?
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so what does this mean?
It means just stating MacIntyre is better than Embree is an empty argument. He needs to be a big improvement over Embree to avoid any criticism whatsoever.
lawdogg
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It might be that Tad's best recruiting job was in keeping Burks around when he came in. Burks gave him a year of solid basketball success on which to build his recruiting and credibility as a winning coach.
Guys can come right out of HS in BB and change the fortunes of a team. If LeBron James were coming out of HS right now and had to play one year of college ball what team could he have lifted into at least the tourney.
If CU could get the top HS football recruit in the country to come here next year how many more games would we win than without, not many.
Most of this years recruits won't even see the field until 2-3 years from now and then will take some time to develop and adjust. Unfortunately football just doesn't turn around that fast. This is going to be a process.
fatbuff
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You couldn't be worse. I agree Mac2 is a pretty good coach, but without better recruiting it doesn't matter.
This staff has had a partial season last year and this still active year to recruit. I'm glad you all can see how insufficient he is. SJSU just beat Fresno (which CU could never do) and put up 60+ points...with Macs players. This will take time. I'm encouraged by Gillam. Awuzie, Adkins etc.
fairdinkum
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Quit acting soo rational....get out of this thread!!
rolandftw
Club Member
Absolutely. Carson makes that team a tournament threat.
I'd even argue Jordan Loveridge almost single handedly saved Utah's program from complete irrelevancy. They were in a very dark place, where anybody and everybody was leaving that program. Loveridge could have picked a number of other programs to sign with, and who knows what kind of roster they would have if he did. They're still not in the Top half of the conference, but they aren't the embarrassment they were in 2011
fatbuff
Member
The problem is that you know about as much about football as you do economics. You can not win in the PAC12 with WAC players no matter how good the coaching is.
Joe Theismann's Leg
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What if I told you that players who sign with Colorado instead of WAC teams become PAC12 players?
Mac took a terrible SJSU team and had them ranked and winning a bowl within three years... I think he's shown that he knows talent when he sees it.
Junction
Club Member
I would tell you CU would look like a WAC team playing in the Pac-12.
Bigbuffs
Member
I'm going to with hold my judgment on this years recruiting class until after the weekend of the Kansas game. That is our most important recruiting weekend this year, and there is a chance that we could get some big commits after that weekend. If that weekend turns out to be a disappointment, then my concerns for the future will grow.
fatbuff
Member
I cant believe this is even an argument. SJSU would have trouble with a PAC 12 schedule. We can't compete with a bunch of overachievers and no highly recruited players.. We need to start winning recruiting battles for higher rated players or we aren't going very far from where we are.
buffsyko
Club Member
A bit of an exageration. Utah kicked our butts on the LOS. They were significantly better on both the OL and the front 7 on defense.
That in mind we had a number of guys who are better than who they were playing today. The final score was fairly representative of the differences between the teams.
A real positive for us is that while we don't have a lot of high quality players most of the ones we have are young including a lot of freshmen.
It is easy to be critical of our recruiting as well. We don't see the top schools in the league going after many of our commits. On the other hand most of our commits have some interest from other BCS schools which is a step up from the past couple years even if these BCS schools are schools like Utah and Washington State that are at the bottom like we are.
My biggest reason for optimism in recruiting is that M2 seems to have an eye for potential development. In the past few years a lot of the kids we have brough in have not only had little interest from other schools, they have also been kids who didn't have great upsides. M2 seems to be looking for kids who may be able to develop above their current levels. It is still potential which means it hasn't happened yet and may never but at least there is room for improvement.
SD Buff
Club Member
Good thing he isn't signing a class similar to his SJSU classes then, right? It might not be on par with other PAC teams or Power 5 teams (on paper) right now, but its much better than the classes he signed at SJSU (on paper).
Recruiting could be going better. See absolutely no point in even bitching about it right now and quite frankly I am tired of bitching about it. ( but understand those who still have the energy )
Get the facilities announced, close the class decently - continue to get better and build momentum and sign a better class next year (on paper)
White_Rabbit
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All I want to see is us beat out some BCS teams for those JUCOs that visit next weekend. We need them and they're gettable. Use the win over Cal to beat them on the recruiting trail.
Hoping we see a Washington level bump in year 2 with some facilities and the promise of an improved team.
Hoping we see a Washington level bump in year 2 with some facilities and the promise of an improved team.
fatbuff
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I dont follow SJSU recruiting. Hell, I barely pay attention to CU recruiting. But, you cant count on finding overlooked players to field a winning team in the PAC 12. Even a bumblefuk like Dan Hawkins was able to win the occasional recruiting battle. Recruiting is at least as important as coaching in college football.
SD Buff
Club Member
Dan Hawkins had a big name and was recruiting to a program that had won 4 of 5 Big XII North Championships. This program is far from that right now. Not trying to make excuses and not disagreeing with anyone who believes we need to recruit better. We do. Just amazed people still have the energy to argue about it. :smile:
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It would also be interesting to see somebody look at the recruiting classes 3 years after signing and adjust for those players who aren't still around for a variety of reasons and for those kids who outperformed their recruiting rankings.
Given the choice of recruiting a good kid who sticks and develops or a great talent who doesn't ever see the field I would obviously prefer the first.
On the other hand they didn't have the same level of coverage then but when we were a national power we managed to do both. Coach Mac I recruited a lot of kids who were considered fairly risky but big talents. He managed to keep a lot of them around and they did contribute, many in a very big way.
Given the choice of recruiting a good kid who sticks and develops or a great talent who doesn't ever see the field I would obviously prefer the first.
On the other hand they didn't have the same level of coverage then but when we were a national power we managed to do both. Coach Mac I recruited a lot of kids who were considered fairly risky but big talents. He managed to keep a lot of them around and they did contribute, many in a very big way.
SD Buff
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Yeah, coverage wasn't nearly the same. Your post made me remember someone saying Christian Fauria wasn't highly recruited, but had never actually checked to see if I could find something. Just found this LA Times article . He visited Oregon State and Northern Arizona. So guess he wasn't?
Not exactly. Tad had a new facility to show off.
PAHIBuff
It's a big world on Anegada
Put away the ROOR.
Buffenuf
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fify.....basketball is an entirely different species. Freshmen can come in and the good ones can easily compete with older, more experienced players : the whole "one and done" concept.
That never, or extremely rarely) happens, with the League where fast, 250-320 lb. men who've matured and learned their craft, play on a regular basis. When was the last time you saw even 5*FR OL prospect, who could even think of competing in the NFL ? Age and physical maturity make a huge difference in FB, that's why its crucial to be able to redshirt as many recruits, especially linemen, as possible. Then you have to have a talented S&C group to develop them. (Unless you're 'Bama or LSU---SEC in general---, with all their illiterate, dirt-floor recruits and expensive HG supplements!)
No knock on Tad, but he got real lucky, walking into Burks and Higgins, then getting even luckier with Dre (over-looked and too skinny) and was beneficiary of those idots at UCLA and U$C, considering where Dinwiddie and Booker would have both preferred to enroll.
It happens. But the guys like Orlando Pace are very rare.
We do have impact freshmen in football, but that's generally going to be a RB or WR.
Buffenuf
massive tool
WTF??? Shirely, you jest! If the Utes were so much better, why was the score so damnably and winnably close, especially considering that dropped TD pass by PRich and a couple of other blown chances by the Buffs? UU was definitely an OLDER team (like BYU, with missions and all), but not necessarily a better one.
CU has to stop regularly having 85 % of its roster consist of sophs, RS FR and freshmen.