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Rich Rod going to 'Zona.
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CVilleBuff
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The B1G/Michigan simply wasn't the right fit for Rich Rod's football philosophy, He also only got 3 years (improved every year), and it's true that it takes a while to implement his system (especially when you're taking over from Lloyd Carr -- talk about not having the right players). What he did at WVU was extremely impressive. Nehlen had left the cupboard bare, and RR was able to produce unprecedented success, culminating with a 32-5 mark his final years. He took WVU, a university in a state with zero FBS talent, and made them into a national title contender. I think the Pac will be a good fit for his spread offense, and he'll have Arizona as a perennial 7-9 win team if he assembles the right staff to recruit the west coast (unfamiliar territory for him).
The good news is we won't be recruiting many of the same players. The bad news is Arizona will experience more success under Rich Rod than they did under Mike Stoops.
The good news is we won't be recruiting many of the same players. The bad news is Arizona will experience more success under Rich Rod than they did under Mike Stoops.
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CVilleBuff
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Just furthers my point - the Pac is a good fit for him
It fits with other teams in the PAC but not any different. I don't think he does much at Arizona though.
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CVilleBuff
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If you're judging him purely on his tenure at Michigan, you'll be in for a rude awakening. Will he take Zona to the Rose Bowl? Unlikely. Will he make Zona a perennial 7-9 win team with some solid seasons (especially by their standards)? Likely.
CUinDC
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Agree with you overall, but it wasn't as simple as just not being the right style. If anyone is really interested in what went wrong w/ RR and Michigan (or just wants a good look inside a college football program), check out this book (admittedly, I'm only part way through it so far): http://www.amazon.com/Three-Out-Rod...4665/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1321940976&sr=8-1. John Bacon (journalist/author) was embedded with the Michigan program through the entire tenure, had an amazing amount of access, and was very candid.
SteelCity Buff
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I think the points about Oregon recruiting the athlete RRod needs is a good one, but I also think some of his success will depend on whether or not ASU makes a good hire. If he can do well recruiting AZ, that will go along way.
The other factor in recruiting that came to mind was the type of kid he can get into school. If I recall, Stoops lamented the kids ASU could get that UA's academic standards didn't allow. It'll be interesting to see if UA will relax some of it's standards.
The other factor in recruiting that came to mind was the type of kid he can get into school. If I recall, Stoops lamented the kids ASU could get that UA's academic standards didn't allow. It'll be interesting to see if UA will relax some of it's standards.
I hear what you're saying, but there really were other factors involved. We didn't have the Pac 12 money coming in when we hired Embree. That was all still up in the air at the time. There were a lot of political considerations in play as well. Not defending that, just telling it like it is.
Buffsfan09
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I think its a solid hire, he will have that thing humming in 3 years....it SUCKS we are going to have to face that spread / QB run attack each year, but oh well.
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Unleash Hell
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Again. I will be surprised if he does much. I'm not a fan of hiring coaches who have already been successful at one place and have struggled at other places. You either hire someone who has been successful at every big time stop he has been at (Nick Saban, Les Miles) or you get a hot coordinator who has learned from the best and is awaiting his turn to be a HC. JMO. He might prove me wrong but I doubt it. I see this as being Arizona's Chuck Fairbanks or Houston Nutt.
Rich Rod's success at West Virginia was probably overrated because of the Big East. Still, this is Arizona. While Rich Rod probably would not be the best choice for a traditional powerhouse, I think he is a fantastic hire for Arizona. This isn't good for us. He will pull some talent out of California.
I don't buy the "he will recruit a different type of player" logic. Are you saying a Justin Blackmon couldn't help the Buffs because he is in a spread offense?
I don't buy the "he will recruit a different type of player" logic. Are you saying a Justin Blackmon couldn't help the Buffs because he is in a spread offense?
CUinDC
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I agree with your first point, but as to your second, of course not, but Michigan has 3 or 4 WRs that see reasonably significant playing time that are 5'10 or less -- the two of those that see the most (Martavious Odoms and Jeremy Gallon) are 5'8. CU has one -- Kyle Cefalo -- who is listed right at 5'10. Obviously there are players that can play in multiple systems, or are so good that they will be recruited by everyone regardless of their size, but I don't think it's a huge stretch to say that we will be looking for different types of players (not just at WR, just using that as one obvious example) for a pro-style offense than RR will look for to fit his spread 'n shred. That's not to say that having to recruit against another big name, probably fairly successful coach in our division won't make it more difficult for us.
Can the Arizona AD mentor Bohn on contracts? How to do them without getting ****ed?
CUFan
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No ****ing ***t. Bohn, CU or whoever are inept at coaching contracts.
+1 If we don't watch out, we'll be playing CSewe every year at Hughes if Bon-Bon gets a chance to renegotiate that gem....
It's hard to say how Rich Rod will do a Arizona. My questions/concerns would be...
1. Is his record overinflated at WVU because of poor competition? Both Pitt and Cuse were way down during his run there.
2. Did he get lucky landing Pat White and Steve Slaton, or should he be given credit for recruiting and developing them?
3. Can he recruit the West Coast? He's a former West Virginia player who has spent his entire coaching career east of the Mississippi. He will need to hire assistants with local ties.
4. Can he build a good defense? His d coordinator never left WVU and his 3-3-5 D at Michigan got progressively worse.
5. How long will it take him to change the pocket passing offense for his spread option? He's got to recruit his type of player to run his O.
1. Is his record overinflated at WVU because of poor competition? Both Pitt and Cuse were way down during his run there.
2. Did he get lucky landing Pat White and Steve Slaton, or should he be given credit for recruiting and developing them?
3. Can he recruit the West Coast? He's a former West Virginia player who has spent his entire coaching career east of the Mississippi. He will need to hire assistants with local ties.
4. Can he build a good defense? His d coordinator never left WVU and his 3-3-5 D at Michigan got progressively worse.
5. How long will it take him to change the pocket passing offense for his spread option? He's got to recruit his type of player to run his O.