Debt is not a bad thing if there is a higher purpose for it and is being handled in a responsible way. The mortgage example is perfect. Kroll is an idiot.
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Rumors of Certain Regents Potentially Voting Against MT Contract
- Thread starter Wyo Buff
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There's actually a formal policy on the books that prohibits Regents from accepting compensation from the University
However....a special waiver from this policy for Kroll was approved by the Board during one of the Board meetings in 2017
Policies were apparently made to be broken in his case...
I'm scared for the President search and hiring process. Really wonder about the future of CU athletics, specifically football, if one is chosen that has similar views to Kroll/Shoemaker/Griego.
Bliff Cranch
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You should be. This institution has a storied history of repeatedly stepping on its ****.
I’ll be surprised if the search and appointment ends well for athletics.
Marc Moser made a good point yesterday in their post-Kroll talk that has me especially nervous. It was that, 5-10 years from now, 16 team superconferences are likely to be a thing, but the members of those superconferences will likely have to choose to be part of it and essentially make a decision to go "all-in" with football as a priority. Even if CU doesn't drop football, if the leadership's mentality doesn't change, I could see CU not being part of that kind of system and essentially relegated to the G5 ranks.
The only reason that there's still a loud minority voice like we've heard is because we haven't seen the ROI yet from the facilities project and increased salaries for coaches. We start going to bowl games every year with all that means on donor support, ticket revenues, student involvement, etc. and those voices get silenced.
Really hope you're right, but something tells me Kroll/Shoemaker are simply anti-football, regardless of the ROI. What scares me, though, is an anti-athletic President. Really hoping the Regents like Heidi Ganahl and others make athletics a priority when going through the search process.
5-4 control of the BoR for the President search/hiring, led by Sharkey. We're fine. Not gonna hire a Ward Churchill type.
Deleted member 807
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+1. Hopeful but not confident.
Some institutions take their football seriously enough. When it comes to 16 team super conferences, I wish I could say with confidence that CU is a ringer.
It seems like CU belongs above Oklahoma State, Kansas State, Vanderbilt, Rutgers, or Purdue.
But experience over the prior 5000 days might indicate CU is a bubble team that needs to fight with others for a big boy seat against the likes of ISU, KU, BYU, Memphis, Cincinnati, Central Florida, or Syracuse.
We are familiar with Baylor casting shade towards CU during the P12 alignment. Schools who demand a seat on the super 64 bus won’t be afraid to attack institutions that treat football as something less than a “must have.”
I think CU would be an "auto-bid" for this hypothetical situation, if they wanted to. Denver is far too attractive from a ratings standpoint, particularly going forward, to say no to CU. I'm worried that CU itself would choose to not be part of something like that.
Deleted member 807
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Ward Churchill type isn’t realistic. But I doubt CU would poach from the ranks of the football friendly SEC, either.
I’m thinking that the search may prioritize growing CU’s online delivery and growing into the Udacity model of teaching to virtual classrooms. I’d imagine having an academic that emphasizes diversity will be a requirement. Since the CU Health Science is a crown jewel, it wouldn’t surprise if the next president comes from a STEM background. I have doubts that this 5-4 split you cite would hold when a candidate checks every box except “athletic friendly.”
I want to hear public statements from a majority of regents that ties future success of the university system to grants and donations from private institutions and alumni, (and therefore football). I want to hear 5 out of 9 regents cite studies that link football success with marketing and admission benefits. Until then, I’ll continue to have reservations.
When regents daydream out loud about seeing the Buffs in the playoffs, I’d be in heaven.
What a whiney little bitch
I still want Condoleeza Rice for the role, lol. Ties to Colorado, strong resume inside and outside of academia, experience managing university budgets as a Provost for Stanford, and extremely football friendly.
Deleted member 807
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Great article by Patrick Rooney, going after Shoemaker's ignorant comments and then turning the spotlight on Kroll's idiocy:
Shoemaker, however, apparently believed Tucker's promise to make the Buffs tougher was a declaration he was taking CU Buffs football back to the game's stone age, with the regent saying, "this would have been a perfect time to change the program's emphasis from winning to safety."
Hint: You can do both. Winning isn't mutually exclusive to player safety.
Truth is, CU is at the forefront of the research being conducted to make the game safer. Last year, the Pac-12 chose Colorado as the host site for the league's Student-Athlete Health and Well-Being Concussion Coordinating Unit. Researchers led by associate professor of integrative physiology Matthew McQueen coordinate with the NCAA Concussion Assessment, Research and Education committee in gathering baseline data from teams in the Pac-12, research. Admittedly, the research is in its infancy, yet the project nonetheless offers the promise of discovering more efficient methods of managing, and perhaps even preventing, head trauma across all sports.
At CU-Denver — not Boulder, obviously, but within the University of Colorado system — a group of researchers are working with the NFL to develop safer helmets.
It's all pioneering work, and it's being done right here in Colorado. McQueen was quick to say Shoemaker was entitled to her opinion, though he added, "If this isn't doing enough, I'm not sure what else can be done."
http://www.buffzone.com/columnists/ci_32332914/rooney-cu-regents-show-mel-tucker-hes-no
Shoemaker, however, apparently believed Tucker's promise to make the Buffs tougher was a declaration he was taking CU Buffs football back to the game's stone age, with the regent saying, "this would have been a perfect time to change the program's emphasis from winning to safety."
Hint: You can do both. Winning isn't mutually exclusive to player safety.
Truth is, CU is at the forefront of the research being conducted to make the game safer. Last year, the Pac-12 chose Colorado as the host site for the league's Student-Athlete Health and Well-Being Concussion Coordinating Unit. Researchers led by associate professor of integrative physiology Matthew McQueen coordinate with the NCAA Concussion Assessment, Research and Education committee in gathering baseline data from teams in the Pac-12, research. Admittedly, the research is in its infancy, yet the project nonetheless offers the promise of discovering more efficient methods of managing, and perhaps even preventing, head trauma across all sports.
At CU-Denver — not Boulder, obviously, but within the University of Colorado system — a group of researchers are working with the NFL to develop safer helmets.
It's all pioneering work, and it's being done right here in Colorado. McQueen was quick to say Shoemaker was entitled to her opinion, though he added, "If this isn't doing enough, I'm not sure what else can be done."
http://www.buffzone.com/columnists/ci_32332914/rooney-cu-regents-show-mel-tucker-hes-no
WarBuff
Club Member
These two people with the intellect of a fire hydrant need to be shamed into never running for Regent again.
I get the concern about the leadership not being all in on football and while that's certainly holding us back greatly I also have a hard time believing that we wouldn't be one of the 64 teams. Right now there are 65 Power 5 teams including ND which means at least 1 current P5 member gets left out but probably a few more if teams like BYU, UCF, etc. end up getting a seat at the table. I just can't imagine we're in the bottom 4 or 5 fighting for P5 survival unless the administration decides to de-emphasize football in a very big way.
fixed.
Sounds like a good lawsuit for an alumn, who would probably have standing in the case.
ahoelsken
Well-Known Member
How the **** did this dumbass get elected? He starts off spewing nonsense about cancer research the day of the vote......and now CTE? Good grief.
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Ralfie
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It's just silly to think it's either/or - either play good football or be safe.
But "safety" is not a dichotomous concept. Planting yourself squarely on the bubble-wrap end of the spectrum may give you a nice high horse to sit on and make you confident you'll be on the "right side" of history, but people with any wisdom or character know it's much braver to want to suss out where to draw the line before drawing it and declaring "you're either with us or you're against us".
Let's not pretend it's as easy line to find, and let's not pretend those who may hold out judgment on where the line is and the measures necessary to respect it are not as conscientious as you.
Man, I just really hate self-righteousness. And I especially despise it when it's clearly based on some in-vogue fashionable cause that some idiot saw Will Smith play a doctor in a movie and now obviously thinks he can score political points on it. Grow up, acknowledge the complexity of the issue, and address it in healthy productive ways. Heck, your elected position empowers you to do that. If your conscience truly compels you, talk to the AD off the record about the vote, say you'll be happy to vote for him, giving him a unanimous "Yes" vote he's looking for and make it a win-win PR move if they bundle in a $500,000 annual football budget institutional grant outlay for biomechanics tracking in head injury as it relates to sheer vs. rotational forces with the bioengineering school or whatever, and call it a day. Making these public "stances" of divisiveness and contrarian proclamations is juvenile and not productive in the slightest.
I think Kroll is on to something...if we took away his salary, I bet we could use those funds to feed dozens of hungry children.
Shoemaker and Kroll need to go.
Someone might want to explain to Kroll that before RG the athletic department was losing money and taking loans from the university's general fund in order to cover expenses. If CU won't pay RG market value, someone else will and then if we go cheap we'll end up with an underperforming financial albatross of an athletic department again. That is exactly where Kroll and Shoemaker's "vision" leads.
Shoemaker because she'd simply be happier if CU dropped football and followed the blueprint of The University of Chicago (founding Big Ten member that has a final four & a Heisman winner in its history but decided to de-emphasize athletics and become a D3 school). Kroll because he doesn't understand basic economics of how revenue is generated and wealth is created while also being easily convinced that Shoemaker's vision would be allsome.