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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)

#1 pick said:
Some of this maybe assumptions. That said, we all know when Shedeur plays hero ball, ie, BYU, Oregon, Nebraska 2024, Baylor although it worked, he's clearly pressing. He misses reads. The calm and poise that you love is gone and the his footwork turns into crap. He can't do that in the NFL.

I don't know how you watched 2 years, me 4 years and think he can't run an offense. He's shown he can run an offense. If I didn't think that, I wouldn't have put a top 10 grade on him at all. Do I think hero ball Shedeur can run an offense, no. Shout out to Matt. But he's spot on when he says, when Shedeur doesn't have to do everything, he can do anything. I think that should be revise to feel more than do.

I've spoken with scouts. Sean Lewis spoke highly on Shedeur as did Pat, Jason, TC, our ST coach, and Brett. All were OCs for Shedeur. Sean spoke really highly about Shedeur, maybe more than anyone else. Sadly, we might have given Shedeur too much control as a senior and took away things that truly crushed his draft odds like removing choice routes for the sake of winning more games. Prime needed the wins, Travis did too so he could win awards. Sadly Shedeur might have willingly sacrificed his stock due to it.

He did change too many plays at the line. He did Yolo too much especially when making hero ball. That needs to be limited out of his game.

That said, all I've heard out of Cleveland is, he's way better than they felt he would be as a person and a worker. The player matches the film. He is behind the others but he's a worker. Teammates love him. I know CU staffers hate when I say this, but he had a horrendous process similar to this game on Sat. It was awful. He struggled with NFL concepts. He only could explain what he did at CU. Couldn't handle the blackboard.

Shedeur has been in structure especially in TC but we all know you really don't know till the preseason and you get hit.
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@#1 pick, I agree with all your takes, including the one where you listed areas where SS needs to improve and/or develop.

DBT said:
I really don’t think the Browns are trying to screw Shedeur. Where he got screwed was in the draft. His draft position automatically relegated him to 4th in the depth chart which meant he was not going to get reps with the starters or even first backups. The Browns obviously see value in him. He’s in a waiting game now. Either injuries, poor performance or a trade need to happen.
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@DBT, I agree partly with this. I don't think the Browns are out to screw SS, in fact if things go somewhat to plan, I think he starts in a few games and can show some things. The Browns have a terrible track record developing QBs, a bad season Stefanski and GM are out, and then they take a QB in the 1st. Then trade or cut SS. Being a FA is not a bad thing for SS, as he can shop for the right mentor or system; and develop behind the scenes. He needs patience and the team that takes him needs patience too so he can develop.

As we are through the preseason, SS's did what he could showing some great things, also highlighting many areas in need of improvement/development. I did not agree with the over-detailed video of him missing all the reads. Even, Bo Nix misses a ton of reads, that is just being a rookie QB.

Looking back, I can sort of understand why SS's fell in the draft (not necessary to the 5th round behind Gabriel), but with only 4-8 teams really looking for a starter, the market was small. The better QB draft class went the year before. By presence alone, SS was not going into the draft as a developmental QB--that is both the hype and the manner that he approached the draft (bad advice). If SS's had the draft to do over, I believe the best thing that he really needed going into the draft was hiring an NFL QB expert (I'm sure there are a few gurus out there who do this) obtaining an impartial independent evaluation, who really studied his CU film. I think that person would have gave him a decent list of things work-on, areas to diversify, his strengths v. weaknesses, and both a short and medium term plan on how to develop as an NFL QB. In many respects SS's present game is a diamond in the rough, he can do some exceptional things, "ball-out," and I think he will eventually adjust to the speed/complexity of the NFL, however many aspects are pretty raw and undeveloped.

In hindsight, truly he needed to be picked by a team with an entrenched starter and coach taking the pressure off, simply allowing for development within a system that he can learn and excel for a year or two. Even being drafted in the 5th, the Browns fans loved him, and will clamor for him to play once the season goes south. I'm not sure many teams wanted SS as a back-up for a season or two, given the outside pressures.

I already posted it, if SS's is a HOFer/Home-Run, I think he does it via the Drew Brees route. Per Brees one of the best things to happen was the shoulder surgery forcing him to sit, when he re-evaluated the entire way he approached/thought of the QB position. Brees knew that he needed to protect his body and noticed all the little things. Linking with Payton was the great relationship.

Whether SS's becomes just an established NFL starter/backup, I think he could either go the Matt Barkley or Sam Darnold route. Both are USC guys that ran a pro-schemes and pocket passers. If Barkley came out as a Jr. in 2012 he was a sure fire 1st round pick. Sr. season he was the Heisman favorite, but not great W-L and he separated his shoulder in his final game leading him to be picked in the 4th round. He bounced teams and never really developed--I do not think he found that mentor/coach for development, or maybe his shoulder was just wrecked.

On the other hand, Darnold was picked 3rd overall coming out as a RS-Soph. He was picked by the dreadful Jets for 3 years, a few good games but horrible record. Then Carolina where he was QB#1 but got hurt and Cam Newton played, next season back-up to Baker Mayfield, and went to the 49's, as Purdy's back-up playing very little. Last year, he broke loose with the Vikings going 14-3, signed by Seadogs for $100M. On Darnold's redemption, he credited developing behind so many good QBs, then Shanahan and other coaches.
 
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#1 pick said:
I don't know how you watched 2 years, me 4 years and think he can't run an offense. He's shown he can run an offense.
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Nick is saying SS can only run his offense, or the offense he agrees with. Not a offense designed by others that he is not on board with.

I think it's a very fair assessment based on his two years in CU.

Again, it's not because of his physical capability, it's because of his mental ego. We can only hope a couple years of learning in the NFL without his dad being HC can help him to overcome this mental barrier
 
CarolinaBuff said:
It would make sense for them to switch to one or both of the rookies since they're likely going to be 1-4 or 1-5 if not winless at that point.

First 6 games:
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Pitt
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Ideally they fall to 0-3 or 0-4 with Flacco just not doing much of anything and they let DG get out there for Detroit, Minnesota and Pitt where he will assuredly fall on his face and not look good either.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Ideally they fall to 0-3 or 0-4 with Flacco just not doing much of anything and they let DG get out there for Detroit, Minnesota and Pitt where he will assuredly fall on his face and not look good either.
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Probably throw SS at those teams. I mean, they want to protect their guy DG, right?
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Ideally they fall to 0-3 or 0-4 with Flacco just not doing much of anything and they let DG get out there for Detroit, Minnesota and Pitt where he will assuredly fall on his face and not look good either.
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My guess would be they hope to limp thru the season with Flacco and get more picks while the backups develop. I suspect the reality is that Flacco doesnt make it all the way thru many games uninjured. NFL defenses will not be kind to either DG or SS when their name gets called.
 
skibum said:
FIFY
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He’s in. That’s a good thing. Happy for him.

I read that typically emergency QB3s get one small install package with 1s in case other two QBs go down. Otherwise he’ll get eyes and reps as scout team QB. He’ll need to give Cleveland D good looks. No hero ball. Step up into pocket like other QBs. They need good simulations. (But I suspect it will chap his ass than DG is on the other side getting real reps with the 1s and 2s.
 
hawg1 said:
He’s in. That’s a good thing. Happy for him.

I read that typically emergency QB3s get one small install package with 1s in case other two QBs go down. Otherwise he’ll get eyes and reps as scout team QB. He’ll need to give Cleveland D good looks. No hero ball. Step up into pocket like other QBs. They need good simulations. (But I suspect it will chap his ass than DG is on the other side getting real reps with the 1s and 2s.
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He’ll get his turn to start this year. Cleveland is going to be bad
 
Not a bad thing that for probably the first time in his football life, he’ll have to go out and earn the position rather than having it handed to him. While playing for his dad, he was never in danger of losing his starting spot. This could be the best thing to ever happen to him, rooting that he embraces this opportunity.
 
hawg1 said:
He’s in. That’s a good thing. Happy for him.

I read that typically emergency QB3s get one small install package with 1s in case other two QBs go down. Otherwise he’ll get eyes and reps as scout team QB. He’ll need to give Cleveland D good looks. No hero ball. Step up into pocket like other QBs. They need good simulations. (But I suspect it will chap his ass than DG is on the other side getting real reps with the 1s and 2s.
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It will chap him but it may be good for him.

DG is going to get very little practice time. Flacco is going to get all but a few practice reps each week. DG will spend time watching and do a little throwing to the WRs on the side.

SS is going to be getting a lot more reps going against the starting defense. As you say they will require him to stay in the pocket, to step up, to imitate that weeks opponent's starter. Even though it won't be designed for him he will hear the defensive coaches calling the coverages, calling the schemes, and it should help him to be able to identify the pro level defenses much better.

They will also make him watch film of the opponents offenses. "This is what they do when they see this" "When the QB sees this blitz this is how he handles it." It may be (we can hope) that in the process of doing this Shedeur starts to understand that guys who start and are successfull do things differently that he has been trying to do them.
 
MtnBuff said:
It will chap him but it may be good for him.

DG is going to get very little practice time. Flacco is going to get all but a few practice reps each week. DG will spend time watching and do a little throwing to the WRs on the side.

SS is going to be getting a lot more reps going against the starting defense. As you say they will require him to stay in the pocket, to step up, to imitate that weeks opponent's starter. Even though it won't be designed for him he will hear the defensive coaches calling the coverages, calling the schemes, and it should help him to be able to identify the pro level defenses much better.

They will also make him watch film of the opponents offenses. "This is what they do when they see this" "When the QB sees this blitz this is how he handles it." It may be (we can hope) that in the process of doing this Shedeur starts to understand that guys who start and are successfull do things differently that he has been trying to do them.
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lol what a hilarious, ignorant take. You can't possibly be serious that the #3 will take more snaps than the #2.
 
Trogdor said:
lol what a hilarious, ignorant take. You can't possibly be serious that the #3 will take more snaps than the #2.
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In a lot of teams they will. The snaps will not be the same as the #2 because the few snaps the #2 gets will be in the offensive game plan for that week while the #3 is taking simulation snaps imitating what that weeks opponent does to prepare the defense. Your take is the ignorant one.
 
Trogdor said:
lol what a hilarious, ignorant take. You can't possibly be serious that the #3 will take more snaps than the #2.
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The #2 isn't the scout team QB. Just the #3 or PS QB. DG will take a lot more reps but 12 will have more game reps but be will be acting as another QB. Week 1, hes Burrow. Week 2, he's Lamar, etc.
 
GRM said:
@#1 pick, I agree with all your takes, including the one where you listed areas where SS needs to improve and/or develop.



@DBT, I agree partly with this. I don't think the Browns are out to screw SS, in fact if things go somewhat to plan, I think he starts in a few games and can show some things. The Browns have a terrible track record developing QBs, a bad season Stefanski and GM are out, and then they take a QB in the 1st. Then trade or cut SS. Being a FA is not a bad thing for SS, as he can shop for the right mentor or system; and develop behind the scenes. He needs patience and the team that takes him needs patience too so he can develop.

As we are through the preseason, SS's did what he could showing some great things, also highlighting many areas in need of improvement/development. I did not agree with the over-detailed video of him missing all the reads. Even, Bo Nix misses a ton of reads, that is just being a rookie QB.

Looking back, I can sort of understand why SS's fell in the draft (not necessary to the 5th round behind Gabriel), but with only 4-8 teams really looking for a starter, the market was small. The better QB draft class went the year before. By presence alone, SS was not going into the draft as a developmental QB--that is both the hype and the manner that he approached the draft (bad advice). If SS's had the draft to do over, I believe the best thing that he really needed going into the draft was hiring an NFL QB expert (I'm sure there are a few gurus out there who do this) obtaining an impartial independent evaluation, who really studied his CU film. I think that person would have gave him a decent list of things work-on, areas to diversify, his strengths v. weaknesses, and both a short and medium term plan on how to develop as an NFL QB. In many respects SS's present game is a diamond in the rough, he can do some exceptional things, "ball-out," and I think he will eventually adjust to the speed/complexity of the NFL, however many aspects are pretty raw and undeveloped.

In hindsight, truly he needed to be picked by a team with an entrenched starter and coach taking the pressure off, simply allowing for development within a system that he can learn and excel for a year or two. Even being drafted in the 5th, the Browns fans loved him, and will clamor for him to play once the season goes south. I'm not sure many teams wanted SS as a back-up for a season or two, given the outside pressures.

I already posted it, if SS's is a HOFer/Home-Run, I think he does it via the Drew Brees route. Per Brees one of the best things to happen was the shoulder surgery forcing him to sit, when he re-evaluated the entire way he approached/thought of the QB position. Brees knew that he needed to protect his body and noticed all the little things. Linking with Payton was the great relationship.

Whether SS's becomes just an established NFL starter/backup, I think he could either go the Matt Barkley or Sam Darnold route. Both are USC guys that ran a pro-schemes and pocket passers. If Barkley came out as a Jr. in 2012 he was a sure fire 1st round pick. Sr. season he was the Heisman favorite, but not great W-L and he separated his shoulder in his final game leading him to be picked in the 4th round. He bounced teams and never really developed--I do not think he found that mentor/coach for development, or maybe his shoulder was just wrecked.

On the other hand, Darnold was picked 3rd overall coming out as a RS-Soph. He was picked by the dreadful Jets for 3 years, a few good games but horrible record. Then Carolina where he was QB#1 but got hurt and Cam Newton played, next season back-up to Baker Mayfield, and went to the 49's, as Purdy's back-up playing very little. Last year, he broke loose with the Vikings going 14-3, signed by Seadogs for $100M. On Darnold's redemption, he credited developing behind so many good QBs, then Shanahan and other coaches.
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I know not many people liked it but this is a good post. Sometimes, the best case situation can be just adjusting and learning even if you are the best in the room. That doesn't mean you are the most ready especially for the scheme. Truth is, even if I setup you up to fail, you still can't fail.
 
Given how things looked after the draft, I think Shedeur’s situation is pretty nice for him now. Low pressure as Cube3 and a clear pathway to becoming the starter. He has work to do and a great opportunity to get the coaching and insights he needs to improve his craft.
 
#1 pick said:
What's funny is me and my best friend was talking saying this is the first time Shedeur really had to experience being Black. Not just rich Black but everyday Black.
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Interesting concept. Because of his fame and his money I don't know that Shedeur will ever have the same experience as Black people who don't have that fame and financial standing.

It still though is a different experience that I and others who aren't people of color can try to understand but never really will. We can make understanding it an academic excercise but experiencing it for life is a different thing that I will never fully be able to understand.
 
MtnBuff said:
Interesting concept. Because of his fame and his money I don't know that Shedeur will ever have the same experience as Black people who don't have that fame and financial standing.

It still though is a different experience that I and others who aren't people of color can try to understand but never really will. We can make understanding it an academic excercise but experiencing it for life is a different thing that I will never fully be able to understand.
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Generally speaking, no one should experience this. It freaking sucks. But this is a symptom of a greatest problem that's rooted globally at this stage.

I work with kids at time, in fact, I was just working with my son a second ago. He has tremendous strengths but he has some pretty obvious weaknesses. I work on making the strengths stronger and limited the weaknesses or turning it into a slight strength.

If I mishandled him, I could ruin him. The kid is exceptionally bright. This is where this come in place. This is how societies are ruined.
 
hawg1 said:
Now Browns sign Zappe to practice squad. I interpret that negatively for 12.
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I don't. Teams generally like 4 QBs on the roster. Usually 2 PS and 2 QBs or 3 QBs and 1 PS QB. Injuries happen fast in the NFL. You don't want your backup being the scout team QB as well. Browns are usually a 4 QB team. That said, Bailey is the perfect PS QB for Shedeur. Huntley was tremendous for mentorship but Bailey game is a lot like Shedeur. Read my scouting report on freshman Shedeur at Jackson State. I wrote that Shedeur was a Bailey Zappe lite. Shedeur jump since has been significant and Bailey has been marginal but thats a tremendous QB for Shedeur to learn off of as they are very similar QBs in structure.
 
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Generally speaking, no one should experience this. It freaking sucks. But this is a symptom of a greatest problem that's rooted globally at this stage.

I work with kids at time, in fact, I was just working with my son a second ago. He has tremendous strengths but he has some pretty obvious weaknesses. I work on making the strengths stronger and limited the weaknesses or turning it into a slight strength.

If I mishandled him, I could ruin him. The kid is exceptionally bright. This is where this come in place. This is how societies are ruined.
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I see it from a different angle. We live in a very "white" town and my kids are Hispanic. It is different than being Black but they have experienced some things that shouldn't be the case. It has been a long term project with them to emphasize that they can't let others stereotypes to limit them. Strong sense that for Black people this challenge becomes worse.
 
#1 pick said:
I don't. Teams generally like 4 QBs on the roster. Usually 2 PS and 2 QBs or 3 QBs and 1 PS QB. Injuries happen fast in the NFL. You don't want your backup being the scout team QB as well. Browns are usually a 4 QB team. That said, Bailey is the perfect PS QB for Shedeur. Huntley was tremendous for mentorship but Bailey game is a lot like Shedeur. Read my scouting report on freshman Shedeur at Jackson State. I wrote that Shedeur was a Bailey Zappe lite. Shedeur jump since has been significant and Bailey has been marginal but thats a tremendous QB for Shedeur to learn off of as they are very similar QBs in structure.
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How do you see QB reps getting allocated for the Sunday team during the week? And how do you see QB reps getting allocated differently during the week? I suspect we may be looking at this differently.

I do like the Zappe mentorship aspect. I
Just think it means snaps for 12 get further limited.
 
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MtnBuff said:
I see it from a different angle. We live in a very "white" town and my kids are Hispanic. It is different than being Black but they have experienced some things that shouldn't be the case. It has been a long term project with them to emphasize that they can't let others stereotypes to limit them. Strong sense that for Black people this challenge becomes worse.
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