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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)
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My concern is that he never gets a real opportunity in the league anyways. I could see him rotting away as QB3 in Cleveland until his 4 year contract is up and then getting the Kaepernick treatment of teams giving him a workout but not signing him until he eventually is just out of the league.
It's partly why I, selfishly, want him to "play along" and hopefully earn an opportunity at which point a team will see his value and decide to roll with him as QB1.
^^^this
Ryan Leaf was a good boy - totally not a dick. That’s why he was drafted second only to PFM
If I am Shedeur, I am backchanneling with ED to get a meeting with the source.
Backchanneling with ED was the original name for Hims.
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I’m thinking the Sanders family is pretty well connected, if there are rumors they already have it. Proving it is going to be a challenge.
Not really. Look at the scope of probability. Truth is about 70-80% since he has no motive to come out with this now. Ergo, ED is probably not lying. Assuming that he is likely telling the truth a high percentage of the time, he would not say this in an interview without his source having concrete proof (i.e. emails).
- ED isn't a known close friend to the Sanders family.
- He's not known to be a controversial commentator of the NFL
- He doesn't have anything to gain personally for making it up; if anything, saying this could put some of his access at risk
- He's not going to reveal his source, that person would be fired from their team & then blackballed from the entire NFL. That goes for anyone else that could corroborate the story.
Instead of "I need some corroboration", I look at this as "Based on the observable information of SS performance vs his draft day fall, there's no reason to believe what Eric Dickerson said is false."
I have a difficult time with most conspiracy theories. In this case we are to believe that the NFL front office contacted 30 teams yet there has not been a single leak until ED’s source.
OTOH, the NFL would not have had to have contacted every team. They only would have had to collude with teams in the market for a QB. So, really, 5 or 6 teams.
I think it’s more likely that the scouts and evaluators of the teams looking for a QB started badmouthing Shedeur amongst each other and rumors turned into “facts.” Urban legend kind of stuff.
OTOH, the NFL would not have had to have contacted every team. They only would have had to collude with teams in the market for a QB. So, really, 5 or 6 teams.
I think it’s more likely that the scouts and evaluators of the teams looking for a QB started badmouthing Shedeur amongst each other and rumors turned into “facts.” Urban legend kind of stuff.
Bullet 2 is not an accurate statement. He’s created several incidences from his NFL commentary. Nevertheless. I see your points. The elements of a collusion were there before ED spoke. He adds credibility to that thinking. I hope information comes out that nails the NFL.
Wondering what would show up I searched "Eric Dickerson reputation". There were a few notations that he maybe had a grudge against the NFL - and those comments had nothing to do with SS or the conspiracy claim.
Shedeur was clearly at worst an upper half of the 1st round draft choice. Anyone who wants to argue that needs to go back and look at virtually every draft over the past 10 years and see guys who are clearly not as good as Shedeur was coming out of college who were picked in the 1st round.
The why would they decide to make an example out of him could be a number of things. The idea mentioned in this thread about not wanting to deal with somebody who's "brand" is bigger than that of the team and the league could be a factor but don't forget that just last year Caleb Williams was the top pick, that Caleb Williams from USC who had at least as big a "brand" as Shedeur coming out of college. The idea that not having an agent hurt him doesn't carry much, the league would like to reduce the influence of agents not strengthen it.
A factor that may be significant is the speculation, based on some public statements and actions, that Shedeur had certain teams that he let know he wasn't interested in playing for. We have seen some of this in the past with Elway, Eli, Kelly Stauffer (CSU QB who refused to play for the Cardinals, and some others that some players want to fight the draft system and have some control over where they go. With star college players getting significant NIL money more of them are going to be able afford to push the issue.
Pure speculation but I wonder if someone in the league office didn't decide that Shedeur would make a great example for future players that if you don't get in line and go where we tell you (in the draft) that it will cost you and cost you big.
I don't know how good EDs information is but as mentioned in this thread he isn't one known for wild statements and doesn't have much to gain from taking on the league. Investigation and eventual justice usually starts somewhere with somebody speaking out. If this eventually leads to being able to prove that the league influenced Shedeur's draft status and cost him draft position and money not only should he be entitled to a significant monetary award but it will also solidify the limited influence that players do have over their draft positions and destinations.
Somehow when the NFL has been brought to court in the past for various violations of players rights they have almost always lost. Good chance that pattern exist because the league actively is willing to put it's interest ahead of the legal rights of the players.
Anything involving 32 separate teams would also mean that at least a few people for each of those teams would have to know about it. If it was communicated in any other manner than verbally then some form of documentation exist. Even verbally would result in somebody putting it down on paper or digitally. If pursued by a quality investigator that many people are bound to have somebody who lets the evidence slip.
It may take time and as others have mentioned this probably isn't the right time to stir up that can of trouble but if it can be proven down the road it should make Shedeur substantially wealthier.
I don't see a reason why the NFL would black ball Shedeur.
The NFL is a QB league. They do everything possible to protect the QB's. Without big name QB's the league loses some luster.
Having Shedeur as QB1 with a big brand only adds to the eyeballs watching games. Case in point, the TV numbers for the first preseason game for the Cleveland Browns.
The NFL is a QB league. They do everything possible to protect the QB's. Without big name QB's the league loses some luster.
Having Shedeur as QB1 with a big brand only adds to the eyeballs watching games. Case in point, the TV numbers for the first preseason game for the Cleveland Browns.
The NFL wants the NFL to be the biggest brand with player brands secondary. The NBA, by contrast, puts player brands above the league brand. Granted, NBA superstars are the reason the NBA is popular, while the individual teams are why the NFL is popular.
Different business models, but Shedeur is really the first collegiate player coming into the league that shakes up the status quo from a brand standpoint. There's also rumors of his "Prime equity clause" in his contract that guarantees him a larger percentage of his jersey sales than what is typical. That's just a rumor, though.
I feel like you’re arguing with yourself.
To this point, the best players in the NFL were made famous in the NFL. Shedeur is already a massive household name on the same level as Brady, Manning and Mahomes (from a brand and influence perspective). Regardless, it's not just about Shedeur, it's about what he represents which is a threat to the NFL business model of players being interchangeable. When Brady and Manning retired, the NFL didn't skip a beat. When Aaron Rodgers went off the deep end, the Packers and the NFL didn't miss a beat. If fan engagement and the league's popularity relies on the players rather than the teams, the NFL loses it's advantage as a league.
Right now the NBA has a 51/49 rev share in favor of the Players. The NFL is a 48/52 in favor of the owners. Doesn't seem like much of a difference but when the NFL is pulling in $23B/year, that's a $1B difference between what is shared with the players and what the Owners take.
Sorry, I just don't see it. The NFL is not threatened by Shedeur or anyone like him coming out of college. The NFL is a behemoth and 1 person does not change anything.
Pretty dramatic, bud. I haven’t been posting because it’s been the offseason and Ive been enjoying my summer. Give it a try.
Now that we’re a week away from the season I’m checking in to see what’s happening. Imagine my surprise, the same stupid ****ing posts, from the same stupid ****ing posters. Keep fighting the good fight!
I am humbled and embarrassed that I am not living the awesome life that you are. I am completely rethinking my entire life and my participation on allbuffs.
Thank you sir
They blackballed Colin Kaepernick because he took a knee, dude. The NFL doesn't want anything taking away from the NFL.
For the NFL the Badge is bigger than any individual.
They want stars but they want stars on their terms, by their system. Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes, Allen, even Manning all "became" stars in the NFL system. Some guys are known because of college success and draw attention when drafted highly but they are still developed as stars in the NFL system.
Prime was a guy who defied the NFL system. He played on multiple teams, sometimes forcing his way out of cities, he became Prime Time with his celebrations and flash and style, and he didn't conform.
Shedeur isn't Prime but he is Prime's son. I can see the league deciding that there is no better example to use in exerting control over the players and forcing conformity. We have seen with Shedeur that he is playing in Cleveland which is a place he reportedly wasn't excited pre-draft to go and he has worked hard to be as low profile as his situation will allow him to be. To that extent the league for right now has won.
It is a QB driven league but if the price of maintaining control and the image of the league and it's players is roughing up one player with a famous name the league is more than willing to do it.