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So if you were Rick George....
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Think Positive and life will be Positive.
Not as low as your dad had.
liverflukes
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Not bad Junior. Almost rep worthy.
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UMass and Nichols St won't help CU fill Folsom but may get them two wins.
If I was Rick George, I'd be looking at the 2014-15 sports year and see:
- Both our Men's & Women's Golf programs ranked #35 in the nation by Golfweek
- Our defending national champion Men's XC team ranked #1 with our Women's XC team ranked in the Top 10
- Our Volleyball and Soccer programs on pace to return to the NCAA tournament this year
- A Tennis program that's starting to win again
- Men's Basketball ranked #29 in the nation in the first poll
- Women's Basketball expected to at least make the NIT
- Ski team that should be in the mix for another national title
- Track & Field that has been great at distance and is poised to improve with the IPF improving indoor vs the Balch facility
- Lacrosse that won in its first year and just pulled in a great recruiting class - on track to be a national power
I see unprecedented academic success that's keeping the university happy. I'm seeing fundraising and revenue projections that show a clear path to a balanced budget.
And I realize that none of that means jack **** to most people as long as football is a losing program.
So, bottom line...
I believe in the model for the AD that is working elsewhere. I believe in the ability of CU to attract the athletes to compete at the highest levels in all sports. I have some patience for Football, but not that much. Folsom revenue being down drags the entire AD down. Losing kills fundraising and fan interest across all sports. Football is king and it has to be fixed.
- Both our Men's & Women's Golf programs ranked #35 in the nation by Golfweek
- Our defending national champion Men's XC team ranked #1 with our Women's XC team ranked in the Top 10
- Our Volleyball and Soccer programs on pace to return to the NCAA tournament this year
- A Tennis program that's starting to win again
- Men's Basketball ranked #29 in the nation in the first poll
- Women's Basketball expected to at least make the NIT
- Ski team that should be in the mix for another national title
- Track & Field that has been great at distance and is poised to improve with the IPF improving indoor vs the Balch facility
- Lacrosse that won in its first year and just pulled in a great recruiting class - on track to be a national power
I see unprecedented academic success that's keeping the university happy. I'm seeing fundraising and revenue projections that show a clear path to a balanced budget.
And I realize that none of that means jack **** to most people as long as football is a losing program.
So, bottom line...
I believe in the model for the AD that is working elsewhere. I believe in the ability of CU to attract the athletes to compete at the highest levels in all sports. I have some patience for Football, but not that much. Folsom revenue being down drags the entire AD down. Losing kills fundraising and fan interest across all sports. Football is king and it has to be fixed.
Based on the picture you posted of yourself, I can imagine your mom and dad as fugly. But nice one there Sandler
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
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Bufffan68
Club Member
Attendance is a lagging indicator. Go bowling 1-2 years in a row and people will feel more comfortable dropping the cash for season tickets.
RG sat down with the HC/staff of every sports program at CU and they made a detailed plan on what it takes to win and how to get there. There were some coaches that got no face time with Bohn that now have the AD support they have lacked for years. So RG definitely has a plan for the AD, he worked with Mac on a plan for football and you can guarantee they are going to review that plan at the end of the season and figure out why it is not on track (unless they planned for a 2 win season this year, which I highly doubt).
We will see how serious the AD is if we see some changes in the offseason.
Its amazing what a front door football is to the AD. Our sports programs outside of football are probably having as much success across the board as anytime in recent history, but if you polled 100 random pac-12 fans, they would probably assume our entire AD sucks.
89BUFF89
Well-Known Member
Once RG delivers on his commitments (facilities, support, etc.) there really aren't any more excuses, the football program MUST get turned around due to the revenue it delivers. Some folks are saying HCMM deserves 5 years to get us to a bowl game. I doubt RG gives him that long.
Deleted member 807
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That's a fair opinion. CU gets knocked for varsity teams it doesn't have.
Gymnastics
Baseball
Softball
Swimming/Diving
Water Polo
Men's Soccer
Men's Tennis
Rowing
And CU doesn't get credit for skiing since that's only a Mtn State sport.
Deleted member 807
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Unless, of course, the standards used to sack Embree are left on the table. [/no racist]
CU can't be known as the school that repetitively hires incompetent coaches and keeps them around too long.
If I were RG, I would have my meetings with all coaches at the end of the season to: 1) Review the goals that were set for the program 2) Discuss areas that met the goals and areas the missed the goals 3) Discuss the over arching reasons for both 4) Ask for the plan and changes that will be instituted by the coach to continue the progress or improve the trajectory of the program 5) Ensure the coach understands what success for his/her program looks like from the overall AD perspective 6) establish the minimum standards for success going forward (jointly doing so would be the best option but may not be reasonable due to the circumstance of the program in review)
I'd say it is highly likely that Rick George is highly supportive of Mac and believes the program is heading in the right direction.
don't see the Embree type ineptitude happening in the next two years so i doubt those standards will have to be used ...
go back two years and it was as bad as I have ever seen... CU won it's only game on 4th down and goal with seconds to go....
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Thats what I think as well. Im a supporter for now. As long as the team continues to look better, as they do, year over year (that means more winning next year) than I am on board with keeping him. The lack of recruiting gains thus far is a concern. If the team fails to progress next year or worse, takes a step back, then his number might be up and Ill change my tune.
Thats the $64,000 question right there: what happened?
I have to believe the Bohn took him to task on what the plan is to improve the team. And he didn't have one. Or worse told him he had to make staff changes. And Embree refused. Thus ending his career here. Given how awful they looked I think it was fair game for Bohn to ask him to make changes to his coaching staff.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
I don't think that is as big an issue as people are making it out to be (in this case). To be clear, I'm NOT advocating we fire Mac, but I think coaches and their agents are smart enough to understand the situation here. We have a new AD who didn't hire the current coach - if he wanted to replace Mac with his own guy, well it happens all the time. It isn't a CU trend because it's different people making those decisions.
Now if CU was firing ADs every couple years that would be another story.
Deleted member 807
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I agree. The risk of MacIntyre mailing it in appears low.
However, options should not just automatically be taken off the table.
Nobody knows what will happen against UofA, Oregon and Utah. If the team were to get blown out Fresno-style to close this season, then it would indicate the coaches lost the confidence in the locker room.
If the players continue to give it their best effort, and RG is satisfied with the progress, then that's all the reason needed to stay the course.
Mr. Babar
I have no elephant books
I recall hearing this as the reason. Curious to what actually transpired. Can't imagine that status quo was going to be acceptable... we were an embarrassment in 2012. 2011 was bad, but 2012 was the worst coached team I have ever watched. That said, I was rooting for Embree/Bienemy and was really optimistic after the hire. Tough that it played out the way it did.
SD Buff
Club Member
According to Andrew Friedman the solution was to bring in the OkieLite OC, which obviously wasn't going to happen. If not him then their WR coach. Two years later, he is still the WR coach btw, did not replace Monken. Was also going to bring in Chris Wilson as DC. A coach our fan base constantly complained about under Barnett and is now the USC DL coach.
He also said EB was leaving regardless bc he didn't like CFB anymore IIRC.
From phone
He also said EB was leaving regardless bc he didn't like CFB anymore IIRC.
From phone
BlackNGold
Club Member
I think he sits down with MacIntyre and discusses where he thinks they are coming up short and get a plan from MacIntyre on how to fix it. I have no idea what George's perspective is on the football team. I would think attendance and support would be areas that he would be concerned about - but how that directly ties into MacIntyre is just speculation.