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Special Teams
- Thread starter Bliff Cranch
- Start date
He will, this happens.
He did call for a fair catch (before he started sprinting), but he again misjudged the flight and was sprinting to try and make the catch. I think he was trying to avoid what happened the punt before that he let go and was downed at the five.
Might not be a bad idea to put a spotter back. Hurts blocking a bit but he's a good athlete in space.
Bufffan68
Club Member
May have been mentioned elsewhere, but I'm thinking Jay was bothered by the lights. That or he broke up with his girlfriend.
JMac had trouble tracking punts all night for some reason. Was shaky on the ones he caught, too, with getting under it. Very unusual for him.
If he's concussed, put someone else back there. If he's 100, let him do it but it doesn't sound like it. It's not about turnovers either, dude could get hurt.
FlatironsBuff
Well-Known Member
Mac said that he thought that the combination of some gusty wind and the 'howitzer' kicks the ASU punter made so high were causing the ball to have more erratic movement that messed up Jay's judgement of where the ball was headed. Paraphrased to my understanding of course.
Getting agitated and ho-hum seem contradictory.
That's no excuse at all imho. If he can't go single back and read it, get him some help. Otherwise you have to focus on coverage and your job fielding it. It's not easy doing both if he's uneasy about it.
He has done a great job until last night
So had the kicker
Gotta be a st bug going around
None of the top teams waste a coaching spot on a dedicated st coach
And the BUFFS did hire some one in a non coaching position to work with the kickers
So had the kicker
Gotta be a st bug going around
None of the top teams waste a coaching spot on a dedicated st coach
And the BUFFS did hire some one in a non coaching position to work with the kickers
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It may have been the lights, mentioned a few times in chat.
Also may have been that the ASU punter put a strange spin or wobble on the ball. I remember a long time back when the Broncos had a punter who not only punter left-footed but also had a slightly different drop that resulted in a lot of punts that had both a backwards spin but also tended to come down at a different angle. He had a number of his punts dropped because of it.
The ASU punter was a good one, he also had a strange looking style. It would be interesting to know if his ball looks different to a returner. Have other teams had similar issues against him?
Also may have been that the ASU punter put a strange spin or wobble on the ball. I remember a long time back when the Broncos had a punter who not only punter left-footed but also had a slightly different drop that resulted in a lot of punts that had both a backwards spin but also tended to come down at a different angle. He had a number of his punts dropped because of it.
The ASU punter was a good one, he also had a strange looking style. It would be interesting to know if his ball looks different to a returner. Have other teams had similar issues against him?
Bliff Cranch
Well-Known Member
While it's true, based on a sample, most top teams do not use a dedicated special teams coach, they nearly all designate a position coach to have official coordination of special teams. And many of their titles include associate or assistant head coach.
I've done it again!
Question, did we win? Yes I get it wasn't perfect. End of the day, they've done pretty good. Lil Mac will be fine, returning punts is hard, that's why only a select few do it.
AlferdJasper
Well-Known Member
There is more to being a great punter than distance - directional punting, punting style, hang time. Hang time is key: It allows you to get your guys surrounding any potential returner before the ball arrives, before he thinks about making a move.
There is also the element of surprise: does the punter only kick one style, and either it's crap or a great punt, but same attempt each time? Or does the punter have an arsenal of different punts so the return team is always on edge? And no, I don't mean rugby.
I hate this argument. Is your recruiting pitch: Come to Boulder if you are just so-so and convince the NFL you can kick longer than other guys can due to thin air? Doesn't work that way. The change due to altitude is minimal ... a good kicker can (in theory) make the distance of most kicks that are required and a coach should have a good idea what the maximum distance is. That means someone is working with the kickers and punters and actually knows their capabilities.
Better kickers and punters will consider the Buffs when they are taken seriously during recruitment and when a ST coach talks intelligently about Special Teams. You wouldn't recruit a quarterback and then just leave him to his own devices for 4-5 years; you have coaches working with him on specifics the whole time he is on the team. Yet kickers and punters will regularly be sent to some corner to work on mysterious techniques with little observation and feedback. And then expected to improve dramatically on their own. It's just dumb.
True. Mason hit record-breaking distances at both sea-level and at Folsom. But ignorant folks attributed much of his success to Boulder, despite his outstanding high school career in Texas.
lol
Crosby kicked a 60yd FG just before half.
Best part was the Miami fans sitting next to us:
Them: "What are they doing? You can't kick from there!"
us: "Watch"
Them: "HOLY ****!"
Worst part - those were the only points we got in the game.
Yep there were reasons for no other points. Dude was wide open on one play, looked like a wheel route, qb overthrew it a bit. It was stupid because there was nobody close to him. He could've bearcrawled into the end zone lol. Can't remember who it was, wanna say Moyd, not sure though.
Dude
8Jah
Well-Known Member
Had to go there.
AlferdJasper
Well-Known Member
Not sure if serious.
But pretending you might be. A bad special teams coach is worse than none at all.
8Jah
Well-Known Member
I'm seriously semi-serious. I was as much a critic of Nienas as anybody, but our ST under him were better than this year. I am laughing, because I can't believe I am saying this, but its kind-of true.
I think that any ST coach will usually look bad at the beginning of the season because they have to take all the freshman and guys who don't get many snaps...all the guys that make mistakes...and make functional units of them. Nienas always looked bad at the beginning of the year - probably even worse than he should have...but his **** usually looked pretty sharp by Oct.
Maybe we should have hired another ST coach. I realize we only get something like 9. Do we really need a Tight End coach?
FlatironsBuff
Well-Known Member
Would be nice to have a great ST coach that is a great recruiter.
But no, firing Neinas was about three years too late.