Stanford's "rivalry" with San Jose State

[BuffWarHog]

Being from northern CA, I wouldn't consider Stan v sjsu a rivalry. It's just a game that sjsu fans get to drive a shirt distance to watch their team get slaughtered by a better team. There are too many universities in CA to make a CU/CSU (power house vs crap hole) comparison. Fresno State, San Diego State, UC Davis (482-363-35 .568, 30 D2 conf championships), etc. by that I mean, the winner of a CA game like Stan/sjsu doesn't get to claim statewide bragging rights like the RMS.

 

[buffsyko]

SJSU is far closer to UNC than it is to CSU. It's simply not a good comparison. SJSU is the old teachers college in California and has a total endowment of about $75 million which is far more comparable to UNC ($65 million) than it is to CSU ($398 million). Also, SJSU played in the Big West until the mid-1990's and competed at a D1AA level for decades.

CSU is more of a peer institution to many of CU's former and current conference mates and this constant campaign to pretend otherwise by some on here is silly. If you want to compare, CSU is closer to Oregon State, Washington State, Kansas State, Utah, etc. than it will ever be to SJSU.

K-state has had much more success than csu, stop with the BS. CU-csu are not rivals, facts are facts. The only 'rivalry' is that we fans hate each other.

 

[josef]

It's just a game that sjsu fans get to drive a shirt distance to watch their team get slaughtered by a better team. QUOTE]

You could sub in csu for sjsu in this case and it would makes sense for the "RMS."

 

[Nor Cal Buff]

A much better comparison would be something like LSU-Tulane...

 

[GoBeers]

I like the way buffnik took this topic and ran with it. So sure, CU isn't where Stanford is now (but furd has been horrible at times) and CSU isn't as lowly as SJSU (though who knows in the future).

Some other interesting things:

CU v CSU (60-21-2), .746
Stan v SJSU (50-14-1), .776

Active NFL players (from ESPN.com)
SJSU: 12
CSU: 8

I don't think anyone should advocate playing something like 61 out of 65 matches in Boulder, but playing at Invesco is garbage. Another telling statistic that puts the lambs in more of the SJSU category is their AD finances. From the USA Today database of public schools AD finances:

SJSU revenue:
ticket sales: $0.8m
contributions: $1.3m
conference rights: $2.9m (that will equalize with CSU when they are both MWC members)
student fees: $4.5m
school funds: $6.9m

CSU revenue:
ticket sales: $3m
contributions: $3m
conference rights: $7m (that will equalize with SJSU when they are both MWC members)
student fees: $5m
schools funds: $9m

CU
ticket sales: $13.4m
contributions: $13.5m
conference rights: $16m (likely to go to $30-35m and escalate $40-45m over 12 years with P12 net, Rose Bowl rights, playoff rights)
student fees: $1.5m (can reduce to 0 with above new revenue)
school funds: $5.7m (can reduce to 0 with above new revenue)

So SJSU really does suck in their revenues streams, but CSU only does better because they A) bring in 4 million more from the MWC (which equalizes when both are in the same conference), B) from 4 million more in ticket sales/ contributions, and C) from $2.1 million more out of CSU's general coffers. That's just more than a little worrying as a Colorado taxpayer. CSU wants to build a $260 million dollar stadium 'with no public money' but from donors and ticket sales.... but their AD survives on just $6 million per year raised by fan participation. Is that going to magically quadruple with a new stadium? Because no other revenue streams are going up, unless they want to pass it on to teh students in fees or take more from their general fund and divert it from education? Does anyone really beleive CSU will have equal ticket sales/ donor contributions to CU after their new stadium is built because that's about what it would take to pay for it. It's even harder for CSU since they'll have a hard time playing as many home games as CU since they are not in a position to pull home and homes from 1/2 of the teams out there.

Being from northern CA, I wouldn't consider Stan v sjsu a rivalry. It's just a game that sjsu fans get to drive a shirt distance to watch their team get slaughtered by a better team. There are too many universities in CA to make a CU/CSU (power house vs crap hole) comparison. Fresno State, San Diego State, UC Davis (482-363-35 .568, 30 D2 conf championships), etc. by that I mean, the winner of a CA game like Stan/sjsu doesn't get to claim statewide bragging rights like the RMS.

That is true, but you can't exactly compare a state with 40 million to a state of 5 million when it comes to schools playing for bragging rights. The biggest difference is in the conference structure where Stanford plays 1) Cal, 2) USC 3) UCLA every year and has done so IN conference for 90-120 years. The team Stanford plays most OOC is SJSU, and they have played far more than say Notre Dame, which their fans would likely say now is their #4 'rivalry' game due to the whole private schools thing (obviously Oregon is a great team as of late, but they are very different schools).

I just don't see anyone else in CFB giving a home and home like CU does for CSU with such a wide difference in their stature - if you look at all the other notable OOC rivalries, they are far more equal in stature. And with the new order of conferences, it's likely CSU falls back and CU can obviously only move up given the past 5 years.

The CSU-CU game should look more like the 1983- 1997 time period:
1983 @ Folsom
1985 @ Folsom
1986 @ Folsom
1987 @ Hughes
1988 @ Hughes
1989 @ Folsom
1992 @ Folsom
1995 @ Folsom
1996 @ Hughes
1997 @ Folsom

None of this Denver BS. CFB is about coming home to a great campus and promoting the University. If for some reason it has to be yearly, CU should play its game at home every other year (and time it during the 4 home game P12 years), and if CSU wants Invesco instead of Hughes, let them do that with some revenue sharing based on ticket splits... advantage CU since the split is 60/40 CU anyway and it's not a true road game. On top of that, give the TV rights to P12 so it doesn't end up on freaking CBS college sports channel after toledo vs bowling green.

CU should really be looking at rotating some other nearby teams in the schedule as part of 2 for 1's. hell, pay them a little to come here, but get 6-7 home games instead of 5-6. Rotate between close schools like Air Force, Wyoming, UNM, and CSU .... they already have 2 for 1's with SJSU and Fresno. hell even getting home and homes with smaller majors like Boise, SDSU, BYU would be favorable compared to Invesco. Though for pay games @ Mich, @ tOSU and the @Hawaii game )which gets a no bye week 13 games schedule as the 'reward') aren't that great, they at least have the chance of raising CU's stature, while playing @ Invesco on CBS College Sports versus CSU is always a losing propostion whether CU wins or loses.

 

[CarolinaBuff]

SJSU is far closer to UNC than it is to CSU. It's simply not a good comparison. SJSU is the old teachers college in California and has a total endowment of about $75 million which is far more comparable to UNC ($65 million) than it is to CSU ($398 million). Also, SJSU played in the Big West until the mid-1990's and competed at a D1AA level for decades.

CSU is more of a peer institution to many of CU's former and current conference mates and this constant campaign to pretend otherwise by some on here is silly. If you want to compare, CSU is closer to Oregon State, Washington State, Kansas State, Utah, etc. than it will ever be to SJSU.

I think gasm hacked your account.

 

[liverflukes]

I think the basic premise here is "why are we still playing CSU...and if so, why are we playing in Denver?" Further, "they should bow down to us and beg for the game at our house."

California vs San Jose St. (CA) ​

Record: 29-6-0​

No​ W/L​ Date​ PF​ Location​ PA​ Notes​ 1​ W​ 11-22-1899​ 44​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 2​ W​ 11-22-1900​ 5​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 3​ W​ 10-17-1953​ 34​ Berkeley, CA​ 14​ 4​ W​ 09-25-1954​ 45​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 5​ W​ 09-29-1962​ 25​ Berkeley, CA​ 8​ 6​ W​ 10-19-1963​ 34​ Berkeley, CA​ 13​ 7​ L​ 10-08-1966​ 0​ Berkeley, CA​ 24​ 8​ W​ 11-11-1967​ 30​ Berkeley, CA​ 6​ 9​ W​ 10-05-1968​ 46​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 10​ W​ 11-15-1969​ 31​ Berkeley, CA​ 7​ 11​ W​ 11-14-1970​ 35​ Berkeley, CA​ 28​ 12​ W​ 09-25-1971​ 34​ Berkeley, CA​ 10​ 13​ L​ 09-23-1972​ 10​ Berkeley, CA​ 17​ 14​ W​ 11-10-1973​ 19​ Berkeley, CA​ 9​ 15​ W​ 09-21-1974​ 17​ Berkeley, CA​ 16​ 16​ W​ 10-04-1975​ 27​ Berkeley, CA​ 24​ 17​ W​ 10-02-1976​ 43​ Berkeley, CA​ 16​ 18​ W​ 10-01-1977​ 52​ Berkeley, CA​ 3​ 19​ W​ 09-22-1979​ 13​ Berkeley, CA​ 10​ 20​ L​ 09-26-1981​ 24​ Berkeley, CA​ 27​ 21​ W​ 10-02-1982​ 26​ Berkeley, CA​ 7​ 22​ W​ 09-17-1983​ 30​ Berkeley, CA​ 9​ 23​ L​ 09-29-1984​ 18​ Berkeley, CA​ 33​ 24​ W​ 08-31-1985​ 48​ Berkeley, CA​ 21​ 25​ L​ 09-27-1986​ 14​ Berkeley, CA​ 35​ 26​ L​ 09-12-1987​ 25​ Berkeley, CA​ 27​ 27​ W​ 10-01-1988​ 21​ Berkeley, CA​ 14​ 28​ W​ 10-07-1989​ 26​ Berkeley, CA​ 21​ 29​ W​ 10-06-1990​ 35​ Berkeley, CA​ 34​ 30​ W​ 10-26-1991​ 41​ Berkeley, CA​ 20​ 31​ W​ 09-05-1992​ 46​ Berkeley, CA​ 16​ 32​ W​ 09-25-1993​ 46​ Berkeley, CA​ 13​ 33​ W​ 10-01-1994​ 55​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 34​ W​ 09-23-1995​ 40​ Berkeley, CA​ 7​ 35​ W​ 09-07-1996​ 45​ San Jose, CA​ 25​

1084​

Totals​

514​

Two public California universities compared to two Colorado public universities (forget your furd love for a minute). We played them once at their home in 1996 and then we stopped the stupid series. You should do the same. SJSU has no rivalry against furd or Cal nor should they. You should do the same with CSU. This, my cloven hooved friends, is all the proof you need. Did anyone request the CU vs CSU game series contract using the FOIA as promised from a previous thread? Do something about it. You could be playing a home and home against someone in the Big Ten, ACC, or SEC instead...

 

[tante]

This, my cloven hooved friends, is all the proof you need. Did anyone request the CU vs CSU game series contract using the FOIA as promised from a previous thread? Do something about it. You could be playing a home and home against someone in the Big Ten, ACC, or SEC instead...

I looked into doing a FOIA request, but they charge you money and can't even guarantee they can get the info.

 

[MtnBuff]

I think the basic premise here is "why are we still playing CSU...and if so, why are we playing in Denver?" Further, "they should bow down to us and beg for the game at our house."

California vs San Jose St. (CA) ​

Record: 29-6-0​

No​ W/L​ Date​ PF​ Location​ PA​ Notes​ 1​ W​ 11-22-1899​ 44​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 2​ W​ 11-22-1900​ 5​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 3​ W​ 10-17-1953​ 34​ Berkeley, CA​ 14​ 4​ W​ 09-25-1954​ 45​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 5​ W​ 09-29-1962​ 25​ Berkeley, CA​ 8​ 6​ W​ 10-19-1963​ 34​ Berkeley, CA​ 13​ 7​ L​ 10-08-1966​ 0​ Berkeley, CA​ 24​ 8​ W​ 11-11-1967​ 30​ Berkeley, CA​ 6​ 9​ W​ 10-05-1968​ 46​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 10​ W​ 11-15-1969​ 31​ Berkeley, CA​ 7​ 11​ W​ 11-14-1970​ 35​ Berkeley, CA​ 28​ 12​ W​ 09-25-1971​ 34​ Berkeley, CA​ 10​ 13​ L​ 09-23-1972​ 10​ Berkeley, CA​ 17​ 14​ W​ 11-10-1973​ 19​ Berkeley, CA​ 9​ 15​ W​ 09-21-1974​ 17​ Berkeley, CA​ 16​ 16​ W​ 10-04-1975​ 27​ Berkeley, CA​ 24​ 17​ W​ 10-02-1976​ 43​ Berkeley, CA​ 16​ 18​ W​ 10-01-1977​ 52​ Berkeley, CA​ 3​ 19​ W​ 09-22-1979​ 13​ Berkeley, CA​ 10​ 20​ L​ 09-26-1981​ 24​ Berkeley, CA​ 27​ 21​ W​ 10-02-1982​ 26​ Berkeley, CA​ 7​ 22​ W​ 09-17-1983​ 30​ Berkeley, CA​ 9​ 23​ L​ 09-29-1984​ 18​ Berkeley, CA​ 33​ 24​ W​ 08-31-1985​ 48​ Berkeley, CA​ 21​ 25​ L​ 09-27-1986​ 14​ Berkeley, CA​ 35​ 26​ L​ 09-12-1987​ 25​ Berkeley, CA​ 27​ 27​ W​ 10-01-1988​ 21​ Berkeley, CA​ 14​ 28​ W​ 10-07-1989​ 26​ Berkeley, CA​ 21​ 29​ W​ 10-06-1990​ 35​ Berkeley, CA​ 34​ 30​ W​ 10-26-1991​ 41​ Berkeley, CA​ 20​ 31​ W​ 09-05-1992​ 46​ Berkeley, CA​ 16​ 32​ W​ 09-25-1993​ 46​ Berkeley, CA​ 13​ 33​ W​ 10-01-1994​ 55​ Berkeley, CA​ 0​ 34​ W​ 09-23-1995​ 40​ Berkeley, CA​ 7​ 35​ W​ 09-07-1996​ 45​ San Jose, CA​ 25​

1084​

Totals​

514​

Two public California universities compared to two Colorado public universities (forget your furd love for a minute). We played them once at their home in 1996 and then we stopped the stupid series. You should do the same. SJSU has no rivalry against furd or Cal nor should they. You should do the same with CSU. This, my cloven hooved friends, is all the proof you need. Did anyone request the CU vs CSU game series contract using the FOIA as promised from a previous thread? Do something about it. You could be playing a home and home against someone in the Big Ten, ACC, or SEC instead...

Good post and with both being state schools a much better comparison.

We should play CSU, we should play them in Boulder when it fits our schedule and the financial arraingements should be like we would have bringing in Wyoming, AFA or another school from a non-AQ conference.

Simple reality is that CSU needs us, we don't need them. That means that if they want to play us the games are played by our terms. No more trips to Denver, no trips to Ft. Collins (unless they can magically come up with in excess of $1 million to pay us for us to beat them there.)

Sorry Csquared but in football CSU is not comparable to CU or to other PAC schools. If it were you would have more than an average of 21,000 people at your home games and there would be enough interest in your program to be on TV someplace that someone will actually see you. This isn't a slam against the academic value of the university (I did a masters program there) but the reality of where the football program is.

You have a program that nobody went to see when Sony was winning up there that has gone back to its long established tradition of being one of the worst college football programs in the country. Take out the Sony years and CSU has a losing percentage that is one of the very worst in the nation, three straight 3-9s are more indicative of where the program has been traditionally that even the 6-5's of the years before.

 

[CarolinaBuff]

Good post and with both being state schools a much better comparison.

We should play CSU, we should play them in Boulder when it fits our schedule and the financial arraingements should be like we would have bringing in Wyoming, AFA or another school from a non-AQ conference.

Simple reality is that CSU needs us, we don't need them. That means that if they want to play us the games are played by our terms. No more trips to Denver, no trips to Ft. Collins (unless they can magically come up with in excess of $1 million to pay us for us to beat them there.)

Sorry Csquared but in football CSU is not comparable to CU or to other PAC schools. If it were you would have more than an average of 21,000 people at your home games and there would be enough interest in your program to be on TV someplace that someone will actually see you. This isn't a slam against the academic value of the university (I did a masters program there) but the reality of where the football program is.

You have a program that nobody went to see when Sony was winning up there that has gone back to its long established tradition of being one of the worst college football programs in the country. Take out the Sony years and CSU has a losing percentage that is one of the very worst in the nation, three straight 3-9s are more indicative of where the program has been traditionally that even the 6-5's of the years before.

Great summary of CSU and spot on.

 

[Buffnik]

In other words, our Cal friends are telling us to start acting like a BCS program.

 

[MtnBuff]

In other words, our Cal friends are telling us to start acting like a BCS program.

Right on the nose.

 

[DeNiro]

In other words, our Cal friends are telling us to start acting like a BCS program.

With the revenue, the attitude will come.

 

[SF_BUFF]

There are a lot of people hating on SJSU here. I would make a fairly large bet on SJSU beating CU this year at a netral site. No joke.

 

[MtnBuff]

There are a lot of people hating on SJSU here. I would make a fairly large bet on SJSU beating CU this year at a netral site. No joke.

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. SJSU has a nice program going right now but they have mid-major talent, and not even Boise mid-major talent. CU hasn't been very good recently but the talent gap is significant.

 

[Buffnik]

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat. SJSU has a nice program going right now but they have mid-major talent, and not even Boise mid-major talent. CU hasn't been very good recently but the talent gap is significant.

They beat CSU in Ft Collins last year. But you're absolutely correct. I mis-read SF-Buff's post the first time thinking that he meant to write "CSU". No way SJSU beats CU no matter where they play.