Disappointing not to see Az and Oregon on the list. Oh, and UCLA.
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Tad Boyle's comments on beating Sean Miller amid FBI investigation
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This is only one agent's records getting leaked.
There are agents all over the country with their hooks into almost every player.
As Seth Greenberg said this morning on Game Day, as a head coach you have a relationship with all these agents. There's nothing illegal about knowing them and being friendly. He said that even if you're not paying them, that relationship is important because you can't have them negative toward you and steering players away from your program.
Here's how it works:
Those agents are running a business and they want to know the door's open to have access. Even if the school's not paying, they can leverage that relationship as "I can place you there". Many times there are other sources paying that agent on the payoff of that relationship -- when a player is placed. That payment could come from a shoe company or booster (who may be rogue, but often isn't) or some other actor in this game. In some cases, too, the agent is placing with no compensation in the short-term but with the hope that doing something for the player now will result in a relationship that will get that agent paid down the road when the player turns pro - whether that be international, G League or NBA. It can be an investment by an agent and that agent may even find ways to get some money to the player & his family. But for the top recruits and sometimes even for lesser recruits when a school has to fill a need, the schools are paying the agent.
In short, it's a ****ing mess.
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ahoelsken
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I think that goes back to what I said yesterday about ending the club/AAU scene.......which in my opinion has no other purpose than to get these kids attention on the recruiting trail. That's where all of this networking between coaches, agents, and "fixers" such as Christian Dawkins (for lack of a better term) takes place IMO, and kids are basically playing for themselves, rather than something bigger (ie their schools).
That Washington is on this list is the most unsurprising news ever considering who Romar was able to sign over the years. And he'll be filling in for Miller on the Wildcat bench tonight.
It is going to take a while and the NCAA will do a great job ignoring and playing dumb until they are forced to but if the FBI carries through on this investigation this stuff is going to end up in open court.
Even knowing that they may never work as a head coach at the major college level some of these coaches are going to be forced to go to court. Some may be facing jail time, some huge fines and IRS penalties, some will simply be trying to eliminate the "with cause" from their terminations so they can collect hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for being fired.
As the evidence comes out in court then it will be hard for the NCAA to not take eventual action against some of these schools.
Even knowing that they may never work as a head coach at the major college level some of these coaches are going to be forced to go to court. Some may be facing jail time, some huge fines and IRS penalties, some will simply be trying to eliminate the "with cause" from their terminations so they can collect hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars for being fired.
As the evidence comes out in court then it will be hard for the NCAA to not take eventual action against some of these schools.
aghcsm
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I realize the NCAA likes to position themselves as “in charge” of their sports and often go beyond illegalities with penalties, but I suppose they could play dumb and leave it up to the judicial courts (as opposed to sporting courts of course).
What will be hard for them to ignore is when the court records include those things that the NCAA specifically points out as the things they enforce. Players receiving prohibited benefits including money. Also coaches paying families and outside agents connected with players.
These are things that the NCAA has punished schools (mostly less favored schools) for in the past. It will be hard for them to ignore this very public evidence.
What they may attempt to do though is resort to their tactic of delaying action "waiting" for evidence and results then claiming that the statute of limitations has passed.
cu62nu36
fascist tool
Who is Altman's bag man at Oregon and who was the "agent" that delivered Dorsey? You know they're dirty.
Maybe Nike just handles it for Oregon without involving Dirty Dana. I'm still amazed at their meteoric rise to championship contention a couple years ago. They went from roughly CU status to back to back final 4's in about 5 years. I'm sure it was all coaching.
Sounds like guys good enough to get paid a lot like Ayton, Metu, Dorsey and the complete rosters of Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, and Kentucky should just go straight to an NBA developmental league and skip college. Leave that to the student-athletes.
Or put it all out in the open and subject it to a salary cap. IDK if you make the paid players attend class.
Maybe Nike just handles it for Oregon without involving Dirty Dana. I'm still amazed at their meteoric rise to championship contention a couple years ago. They went from roughly CU status to back to back final 4's in about 5 years. I'm sure it was all coaching.
Sounds like guys good enough to get paid a lot like Ayton, Metu, Dorsey and the complete rosters of Kansas, Duke, North Carolina, and Kentucky should just go straight to an NBA developmental league and skip college. Leave that to the student-athletes.
Or put it all out in the open and subject it to a salary cap. IDK if you make the paid players attend class.
Or suspended until the NCAA changes the rules?
https://www.si.com/college-basketba...vestigation-ncaa-recruiting-rules-andy-miller
ahoelsken
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Either way he's probably done there