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Skidmark said:
Not when Texa$ and U$C get in the sack and start pulling off their "more equal than others" BS.

When it's all about the Benjamin's, those prized Saturday 1PM time slots won't fall in CU's lap so often.
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The way it would work out, at least logically, is that you play the 3 people in your pod each year, and then a rotating home and away against the other 3 pods. This would ensure everyone a game in each region every year. Texas is going to have to accept being one of the many if they want to be part of a new conference. No one is going to accept the typical Texas BS anymore. Like you say, they have killed two conferences, no one is going to want to be the 3rd.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
The way it would work out, at least logically, is that you play the 3 people in your pod each year, and then a rotating home and away against the other 3 pods. This would ensure everyone a game in each region every year. Texas is going to have to accept being one of the many if they want to be part of a new conference. No one is going to accept the typical Texas BS anymore. Like you say, they have killed two conferences, no one is going to want to be the 3rd.
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Aspirations are not the same thing as reality.

Go re-draft the pods around TV viewership and make sure CU is in the same pod with both LA and Texas television markets.

We do NOT want to be in any pod that relies on Denver TV viewership as an anchor.

Hardy anyone in LA or Texas or the Bay Area is going to tune into a CU versus Utah or CU versus Oklahoma State or CU versus U of A matchup.

We get our money playing USC, UCLA, and whoever else in the P12 is ranked.

The geography pod is a bad, bad idea.

Let's move quickly on to the Zipper discussion. (That needs special exceptions created for Stanford/USC, Cal/UCLA, UT/OU)
 
Skidmark said:
Aspirations are not the same thing as reality.

Go re-draft the pods around TV viewership and make sure CU is in the same pod with both LA and Texas television markets.

We do NOT want to be in any pod that relies on Denver TV viewership as an anchor.

Hardy anyone in LA or Texas or the Bay Area is going to tune into a CU versus Utah or CU versus Oklahoma State or CU versus U of A matchup.

We get our money playing USC, UCLA, and whoever else in the P12 is ranked.

The geography pod is a bad, bad idea.

Let's move quickly on to the Zipper discussion. (That needs special exceptions created for Stanford/USC, Cal/UCLA, UT/OU)
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If its all one pot and is based on the Pac 12 network why does it matter? All 16 teams get equal revenue. All 16 teams get televised either by Pac-12 Net or FS1 or ESPN. All 16 teams have access to each region each year.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
If its all one pot and is based on the Pac 12 network why does it matter? All 16 teams get equal revenue. All 16 teams get televised either by Pac-12 Net or FS1 or ESPN. All 16 teams have access to each region each year.
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Wouldn't matter at all for revenue.

We'd probably bitch about our games being under-represented on the big networks... and we'd probably have a legit gripe. An unranked USC playing an unranked UT is pretty much always going to pull a bigger number than CU vs UU regardless of where we are ranked.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
If its all one pot and is based on the Pac 12 network why does it matter? All 16 teams get equal revenue. All 16 teams get televised either by Pac-12 Net or FS1 or ESPN. All 16 teams have access to each region each year.
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Do you want to play on Saturday prime time, or get Texas disease?

Do you remember CU playing on Sunday, Thursday, Friday, after 10PM eastern on Saturday? I do. Marginal TV time is Texas disease, no matter the revenue split.


Aspirations and reality are two different things, my friend.
 
The only way the PAC would expand is if it made sense financially.

The only thing that would increase payouts for the existing 12 schools would be adding Texas and Oklahoma.

The problem with adding those two is that each would come with at least one school that doesn't add financial value and which isn't close to a fit culturally in the conference. Oklahoma is making strides academically but would still be at or close to the bottom of the PAC in terms of academic status, Okie lite would be the equivalent of adding a JUCO to most conferences. Texas has a high level of academic status but TTU (or any other Texas school they bring with them) is going to be an Okie lite or worse. The church schools (Baylor, SMU) are a non-starter.

Unlike some other conferences I don't see any way that the PAC presidents would be willing to put up with the Texas baggage. Texas has never believed in everyone at the table having an equal voice, Texas has never believed in doing what is best for all ahead of what is best for them. The Iowa States and Kansas States of the world don't have any choice but to let Texas be Texas, they don't have a better option. The PAC doesn't need Texas to be successful and thus can afford to pass on their BS.

The argument that the PAC has to go to 16 for a national TV contract or for playoffs is also false. Simply put without the major schools on the west coast you have no national contract, the PAC has the power to say no deal. We already saw this when they did the BCS bowl system and the PAC was able to say yes we will play but outside of the NC game the Rose Bowl will still maintain our traditional PAC/Big 10 match-up. If the PAC says we want to stay at 12 they have the pull to stay at 12. The rest of college football isn't going to give up the entire western half of the country or the traditional media power of schools like USC, Stanford, Oregon, etc.

In short Sacky is completely correct. If the PAC doesn't want to expand they don't have to expand and right now there is no pressing reason that makes sense for them to expand regardless of what the other schools want them to do.

And as to CSU they are going to have to do a lot better than drawing 20k a game or even 30k a game before they are even in the discussion of being worthy of inclusion in a P5 conference. There just is not any scenario right now where they bring close to the value to justify a share of major conference revenue.
 
We play at **** times as it is, it wouldn't be any different. Except game times are all shifted by 2 hours because of Pacific time vs Central Time.
 
When CU wins it's pod, does it get to play the CCG in Jerry World?

We pretty much know that the CCG location will never, ever be neutral.

Bringing on Texas just takes away a trip to the Bay Area where CU fans actually live, and puts us back in Texas where maybe 5-8K Buffs fans get to be outnumbered 7-1 at AT&T Stadium.

No thanks.
 
Skidmark said:
When CU wins it's pod, does it get to play the CCG in Jerry World?

We pretty much know that the CCG location will never, ever be neutral.

Bringing on Texas just takes away a trip to the Bay Area where CU fans actually live, and puts us back in Texas where maybe 5-8K Buffs fans get to be outnumbered 7-1 at AT&T Stadium.

No thanks.
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What if the CCG rotated locations every year. Or, what I would love, they brought it back to campus for the top seeded team.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
What if the CCG rotated locations every year. Or, what I would love, they brought it back to campus for the top seeded team.
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You are hearing a siren song. What CU fans want, and what we have the power to influence are two different things.

CFB operates under the framework of maximizing profit and some degree of certainty. If Denver couldn't even get a single CCG in the B12 due to its unfavorable distance from every other Conference peer fan base (and it's cold December weather), there will NEVER be a scenario where CU plays a CCG on campus in Boulder in an expanded P12. We've already seen Larry Scott promise an on-Campus CCG structure, only to have the rug pulled out after 1 year with the P12 CCG now stuck in Levi Stadium.

There is a 100% chance that the P12 CCG will be in Arlington, TX at some point in time after OU and UT (and their traveling dwarfs) would join the Pac.
 
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Skidmark said:
You are hearing a siren song. What CU fans want, and what we have the power to influence are two different things.

CFB operates under the framework of maximizing profit and some degree of certainty. If Denver couldn't even get a single CCG in the B12 due to its unfavorable distance from every other P12 fan base (and it's cold December weather), there will NEVER be a scenario where CU plays a CCG on campus in Boulder.

There is a 100% chance that the P12 CCG will be in Arlington, TX at some point in time after OU and UT (and their traveling dwarfs) would join the Pac.
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Because of profits I agree the CCG would appear in Arlington, however I could see a scenario where it rotates between San Fran and Arlington. Or the Pac-12 could say screw it we are having the CCG in san fran because Pac-12 head quarters are there or maybe they move it to vegas when the new UNLV stadium gets built, which would be amazing btw.

My point is that Texas would have to accept being 1/16 in any new super conference. Period. Just like USC had to.
 
[MENTION=7737]hokiehead[/MENTION]. Well UVA is already stuck with Louisville as the new cross-division rival after Maryland left. I personally wouldn't be against WVU, but they haven't done themselves any favors with their refusal to play UVA OOC after some incidents the last two times. I think UNC, Duke, Wake and maybe UVA, GT and BC would be opposed. Personally, though, a good program with a large fanbase would be good for the ACC and good for UVA and VT to have a border rival. The biggest thing for me would be ensuring UVA/UNC play every year. It's the South's oldest football rivalry and ruining that series (like has happened with UVA/Clemson, Wake, NCSU) would be a shame. Personally, I'm more opposed to UConn. More lame northeastern teams with weak support is not appealing, outside of basketball. It's boring enough having BC putting fans across the conference to sleep (has anyone ever seen an actual BC fan?). UVA fan opinion would be split between those who would weldome the cross-border rivalry and a boost to football, and the academic snobs. However, the academic argument lost some major weight with Louisville's admission.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
Because of profits I agree the CCG would appear in Arlington, however I could see a scenario where it rotates between San Fran and Arlington. Or the Pac-12 could say screw it we are having the CCG in san fran because Pac-12 head quarters are there or maybe they move it to vegas when the new UNLV stadium gets built, which would be amazing btw.

My point is that Texas would have to accept being 1/16 in any new super conference. Period. Just like USC had to.
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One reason the Broncos are popular is because the locals have seen them win playoff games at home!

A rotation between SFO, LA, and DFW guarantees full stadium and always puts CU at a disadvantage.

When CU played Oregon in the cotton bowl, the win was great, but the overall football experience sucked. I was there. Both the weather and level of fan excitement was underwhelming.

We can and will talk "what ifs" all offseason long. And many will look at Texas / OU with images of dollar bills sparkling in their eyes.

But we've been down this road before. CU fans don't show up in any meaningful numbers anywhere in the central time zone. The lack of fans = a perception CU doesn't care about football. Recruits don't come. The team slides into oblivion. The CU leadership stands by helpless with their pecker in their hands.

Why anyone wants to go through the Texas experience again in Football is beyond me.
 
Skidmark said:
One reason the Broncos are popular is because the locals have seen them win playoff games at home!

A rotation between SFO, LA, and DFW guarantees full stadium and always puts CU at a disadvantage.

When CU played Oregon in the cotton bowl, the win was great, but the overall football experience sucked. I was there. Both the weather and level of fan excitement was underwhelming.

We can and will talk "what ifs" all offseason long. And many will look at Texas / OU with images of dollar bills sparkling in their eyes.

But we've been down this road before. CU fans don't show up in any meaningful numbers anywhere in the central time zone. The lack of fans = a perception CU doesn't care about football. Recruits don't come. The team slides into oblivion. The CU leadership stands by helpless with their pecker in their hands.

Why anyone wants to go through the Texas experience again in Football is beyond me.
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Would rather add UT, TTU, OU, and OSU than add SDSU, UNLV, BSU, and BYU.
 
MtnBuff said:
Would rather go with the Sacky plan and just not add anyone, no reason to.
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there are $$$$$$ reasons to. Right now nothing is going to happen, but I anticipate a very large shift in 2023 ahead of the contract renewals for the P5 conferences.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
there are $$$$$$ reasons to. Right now nothing is going to happen, but I anticipate a very large shift in 2023 ahead of the contract renewals for the P5 conferences.
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Are you more of a fan of the conference, or a fan of what's good for CU?

Sometimes those goals go hand in hand.
In the case of adding UT and their central time zone dwarfs, the goals diverge.

As they say on Wall Street, bulls make money, bears make money, and pigs get slaughtered. Same thing with conference expansion involving the Longhorns.
 
Skidmark said:
Are you more of a fan of the conference, or a fan of what's good for CU?

Sometimes those goals go hand in hand.
In the case of adding UT and their central time zone dwarfs, the goals diverge.

As they say on Wall Street, bulls make money, bears make money, and pigs get slaughtered. Same thing with conference expansion involving the Longhorns.
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More cash in the pot is good for CU and the Pac-12. Being at the table with the other super conferences is good for CU and for the Pac-12. Owning exclusive rights to some of the nations top media markets is good for the conference and CU.

Yes the whorns are terrible conference partners. Yes they have killed two conferences. But they will have to step in line with some conference if they want to be invited to the table. Would rather that group be the Pac than the SEC. If UTerus and their minions go SEC than the Pac gets left with leftovers when the next round of expansion hits. Would rather not get stuck with leftovers.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
But they will have to step in line with some conference if they want to be invited to the table. Would rather that group be the Pac than the SEC. If UTerus and their minions go SEC than the Pac gets left with leftovers when the next round of expansion hits. Would rather not get stuck with leftovers.
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Good luck with the bold.

UT will always tilt the table towards 7 home games, prime TV slots, favorable CCG locations.

Never in the history of UT have they ever given two [emoji90] about anybody but themselves. Let them go independent. Let them go SEC. I don't care as long as you let them go somewhere else.

If the Pac12 locks up the Mtn and Pac time zones, that's 35% of the country's population. There is enough talent to go around in the west.
 
Skidmark said:
Good luck with the bold.

UT will always tilt the table towards 7 home games, prime TV slots, favorable CCG locations.

Never in the history of UT have they ever given two [emoji90] about anybody but themselves. Let them go independent. Let them go SEC. I don't care as long as you let them go somewhere else.

If the Pac12 locks up the Mtn and Pac time zones, that's 35% of the country's population. There is enough talent to go around in the west.
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And that population is growing.
 
43,968 posts. No thank you. I did gather rather quickly though that they are in favor of dumping Oklahoma's tag along in order to bring KU with them.
 
Texas isn't going to the SEC. There are enough schools in the SEC that want to be big hog at the trough to stop them and those schools know that in any conference they join Texas expects that status. Arky knows what it's like to deal with Texas, Mizzery and aTm have much more recent knowledge. They won't have a hard time convincing enough other schools that Texas isn't a good idea to vote down any expansion that includes Austin.

The PAC presidents love money but they also understand that in looking out for the interest of their schools and conference money isn't the only factor. Part of the reason they invited Colorado was based on cultural fit. From a pure money standpoint BYU has a bigger ticket base and draws better TV ratings than Utah but again they took Utah because it was a better fit to the conference culture.

Adding Texas is like marrying the woman who looks great because of the fancy clothes and plastic surgery she paid for with the proceeds of her last two divorces. She can say all the sweet things she wants but you know that sooner or later that greedy b**** is going to go for your wallet and when she does you are going to lose.
 
Shldr2Shldr said:
43,968 posts. No thank you. I did gather rather quickly though that they are in favor of dumping Oklahoma's tag along in order to bring KU with them.
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There's all kinds of ideas in there.
- Kicking ISU to the curb
- B1G
- SEC
- P12
- Going Independent
- ACC raiding
- B12 building
- Bringing the SWC from the dead
- TV revenue navel gazing by market
- stadium and attendance facts and figures
- every team who could possibly be prioritized as suitable is in there. BYU, FSU, and every P5 wannabe from SDSU to Cincinnati

There are smart posts, dumb posts, and more dumb posts.

Just about every scenario comes up. This includes pods, playoffs, super conferences, shedding the LHN, everything.

Not much nice to say about Colorado. Some of their views about CU are harsh, mean, false, but mostly indifferent. USC is the only P12 school that they acknowledge as worthy of smelling their jock strap. Many think moving West is worse than staying put or moving east. None believe the P12 south is the toughest division on CFB.

If you really think Texas belongs in the P12, go knock yourself out and plead your case in that thread.

Bottom line after reading your opinions over here and plowing through what is said over there:
1) you are not as well informed as you could be
2) it's great not being affiliated with those guys any more.
 
I ran into a Texan overseas in the 2011 timeframe. Not a Texas grad mind you, just an Army Airborne Colonel, Texan. He explained to me, without any hint of joking, how lucky the rest of the Big XII was to be able to play the playoff game in Texas every year. Great exposure, great venue...just flat out lucky.

That run-in stuck with me. Dude had a doctorate in something or other. He was in the Army, stationed in Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Newport RI, etc...

Yet, with all that education, all that global exposure, he reached the conclusion that the rest of the Big XII was truly blessed to be able to play in Dallas, year after year. It was the only thing that made sense in his stupid head.

That meeting stuck with me. It's a good reminder just in case I ever find myself hoping we court Texas to our conference (which I'll never root for, by the way).

Being from Texas makes you stupid on the topic of Texas. I've seen no exceptions to that rule.
 
Okay, because Skiddy's homework assignment was so daunting, let me try a Shaggybevo assignment. You're only required to read one post. The OP.

So try to wrap your head around the opening post of this thread. Seriously this dude (presumably a SEAL, and well traveled etc...) really views those two photos as somehow equal. Texas ****s up your ****ing mind.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/68559-Where-do-you-want-to-retire
 
Orr said:
I ran into a Texan overseas in the 2011 timeframe. Not a Texas grad mind you, just an Army Airborne Colonel, Texan. He explained to me, without any hint of joking, how lucky the rest of the Big XII was to be able to play the playoff game in Texas every year. Great exposure, great venue...just flat out lucky.

That run-in stuck with me. Dude had a doctorate in something or other. He was in the Army, stationed in Korea, Afghanistan, Iraq, Newport RI, etc...

Yet, with all that education, all that global exposure, he reached the conclusion that the rest of the Big XII was truly blessed to be able to play in Dallas, year after year. It was the only thing that made sense in his stupid head.

That meeting stuck with me. It's a good reminder just in case I ever find myself hoping we court Texas to our conference (which I'll never root for, by the way).

Being from Texas makes you stupid on the topic of Texas. I've seen no exceptions to that rule.
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You only had to endure that for a short time. I live that every day.

It's why, by and large, I gravitate to the Aggies in my circle. They can be delusional, cult-like and downright weird at times. And their recent success has gained them some loud mouth, bandwagon fans. But under that weirdness, is almost always kind-hearted Ag. All of the long time Ags have seen bad times and while they are unreservedly proud of A&M, they usually have a bit of humility that I find genuine. Oh, and they hate Texas waaaaaaay more than we do.

I've been to Kyle Field and have seen CU win and lose. And I've never been treated with anything but great hospitality, before and after those games. I was embarrassed to admit to myself that they likely would not see the same treatment when they are in Boulder.
 
Orr said:
Okay, because Skiddy's homework assignment was so daunting, let me try a Shaggybevo assignment. You're only required to read one post. The OP.

So try to wrap your head around the opening post of this thread. Seriously this dude (presumably a SEAL, and well traveled etc...) really views those two photos as somehow equal. Texas ****s up your ****ing mind.

http://www.shaggybevo.com/board/showthread.php/68559-Where-do-you-want-to-retire
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He's probably a pussy. Shaggy is good for one thing, and retirement planning isn't it.
 
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