I guess no one wants to talk about no DirecTV or a mega long term deal that will get lapped twice.
Frankly, I think our only hope on the new deal being competitive is if there is a new round of realignment that starts in 2023.I guess no one wants to talk about no DirecTV or a mega long term deal that will get lapped twice.
By then those other schools will each have earned $60mm more than the P12 schools. Colorado staying in the P12 is not going to keep CU long term competitive.Frankly, I think our only hope on the new deal being competitive is if there is a new round of realignment that starts in 2023.
Big Ten -- deal expires after 2022-23
SEC -- 2023-24
Pac-12 -- 2023-24
We need the B1G and SEC to decide to go to 16 teams.
That would likely cause the Pac-12 to expand to 16 by adding 4 teams from the Big 12 the way that the Big 12 formed out of the Big 8.
Ideal scenario:
B1G takes Kansas and Missouri
SEC, needing 3 now, takes some mix of teams that takes TCU or Baylor from the Big 12.
ACC jumps on the opportunity to take West Virginia
Pac-12 is positioned as the only conference that can satisfy the stakeholders by taking 4 teams (OU, OSU, UT, TTU).
The Big Ten did not have a football culture problem. The Pac-12 does. Too much of the conference is dominated by leadership that serves its constituents by making sure that women's diving is broadcast live so they can talk up diversity and being the Conference of Champions.
Also, adding a program that's in the Top 25 every year would elevate the reputation of the conference.
I would bet that there's no way in hell the Pac-12 presidents would approve Boise State even if Idaho had a 10x population explosion. Which still makes them more likely than BYU. I also don't think San Diego State has a chance.This is so far off the rails into the deep woods of Fantasy Land I cannot even begin to fathom this ever becoming a reality.
If the B1G wanted to go to 16 and offered CU + KU, I think that we'd have to say yes.By then those other schools will each have earned $60mm more than the P12 schools. Colorado staying in the P12 is not going to keep CU long term competitive.
If the B1G wanted to go to 16 and offered CU + KU, I think that we'd have to say yes.
At least we'd see @sweaty teets more. God that would suckIf the B1G wanted to go to 16 and offered CU + KU, I think that we'd have to say yes.
If the B1G wanted to go to 16 and offered CU + KU, I think that we'd have to say yes.
If the B1G wanted to go to 16 and offered CU + KU, I think that we'd have to say yes.
The SEC already has one of their natural rivals and Texas would delude itself into thinking it could be the big fish in the big pond.
Which is why I bring up a Big 12 collapse driven by B1G/SEC/ACC as our best hope for competitive revenue.
No football conference greater than 14 has ever survived very long.What's the general consensus for how big a conference could be? 16?
if we went up to 20 it could be interesting to just combine B12 + P12, leaving behind a few little brothers
And like cardinality has never driven expansion either. I don't understand the mindset that "if the B1G goes to 16 teams, all the other will do the same"No football conference greater than 14 has ever survived very long.
Not that it couldn't change, but if history is a guide...
I agree with the prior bowl system being better for the whole of college football, as each team in a bowl had their big super-bowl to end the year, regardless of overall standing. I remember planning and traveling to any bowl game, and it had a huge weight for us even if we weren’t in the top four. Now, everything is about the playoff, and everyone else in a bowl is just sort of going through the motions.agree 98%.
The 2% where we differ, I never saw the former system as uncertainty (or "chaos" as some would put it). I saw it as acknowledgement that the different conferences weren't playing the same sport -- acknowledgement that the conferences had different recruiting budgets, different recruiting territories, different academic standards, stadium sizes, coaching budgets, red-shirt rules, etc......
I honestly don't recall a time where most bowls meant something, never mind all.
The big 12 is going to have a hard time adding anyone and making more money per school.We need to be aware of the possibility that the Big 12 jumps ahead of everyone else and grabs the Arizona schools.
That would solidify their position as a conference that won't be torn apart and all but destroy the Pac-12.
I just find it odd that dynamic cities within the Pac 12 footprint like Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, L.A., Vegas, Phoenix, Salt Lake and Denver are being bent over and dominated by Cleveland, Chicago, Indianapolis, Detroit and Omaha.
If I were the Pac 12, id be much bolder. I’d consider buying up the media rights to some of the other western conferences and try to dominate the entire western half of the country. I’d form my own network to rival ESPN, partnered with say Apple, withdraw from the NCAA, form a western athletic association, run a May madness basketball tournament, crown my own national champion in football drawn from only western schools. All the money retained by the member schools and Apple as media partner.
I like to dream big, even though I know most of you probably think I’m crazy.
Yep. Unless they went with the AAC model and started adding programs like UCF, but I'm pretty sure that would be against what the TX/OK fans like about the conference. SWC and Big 12 have given generations at least 9 games a year that were either at home or in easy road trip distance.The big 12 is going to have a hard time adding anyone and making more money per school.
Yep. Unless they went with the AAC model and started adding programs like UCF, but I'm pretty sure that would be against what the TX/OK fans like about the conference. SWC and Big 12 have given generations at least 9 games a year that were either at home or in easy road trip distance.
On that note, I think this is the main thing that gives the Pac-12 more potential than many think to get UT in the next round of realignment. We can actually offer 4 TX/OK programs. No one else looks like they can do that.
Basically, what we need is an East with UT as the anchor/elite program and a West with USC as the anchor/elite program in a Pac-16. And we'd have to make it so that revenue sharing was not 100% equal.
SWC and Big 12 have given generations at least 9 games a year that were either at home or in easy road trip.
Can you explain this? I've followed college conference realignment closely for a long time and never heard anyone outside of Allbuffs cite timezones as a factor.Plus it would get the Pac into the Central time zone, an important factor.
That’s because it’s never been an issue for 4/5 power 5 conferences. Time zones matter because it means more eye balls watching the games. Many Pac 12 games don’t start until 10pm ET and that’s a problem.Can you explain this? I've followed college conference realignment closely for a long time and never heard anyone outside of Allbuffs cite timezones as a factor.