This. We are pointing out the flaws in his abilities. He is making the same mistakes that he made 2 years ago. We are not seeing any improvements in ability or decision making. He is not to blame alone, there are numerous issues then just him.
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Time for Montez?
- Thread starter FlatironsBuff
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I'd hate to throw him in before he's ready.
SINKRATZ
PhD in Analogy
If Montez is the best QB on the roster he should have started the opener. I doubt the coaches are going to determine he's now the best after 1 game. Now if they want to start getting Apsay some 1st team reps in practice in case Sefo's leash has been shortened, I'm fine with that.
Three years. That's a trend, right? Is three years a trend? I'm pretty sure three years is a trend.
What is this three year trend you are speaking of?
2012: #120 (17.8)
2013: #87 (25.4)
2014: #67 (28.5)
UCLA is starting the #1 QB in the nation in the 2015 class and the #2 overall player. BYU has to start a freshman because Hill got hurt for the season. Mizzou is starting a RS-Jr QB. So where are all these freshman that are starting?
I'm talking about Sefo's "progression". Which is what we were all talking about. Of course, you knew that and chose to throw some meaningless statistics into the conversation. Sefo wasn't here in 2012… But I digress - you also knew that but were just trying to deflect. Carry on.
Good luck on getting a straight answer.
If he keeps ****ing up, I don't mind another qb getting some reps. It's a slippery slope with Montez though. You can **** a guy up like that if he's not ready to go. If anybody, I'd say Apsay. I think we already know what Gherke has.
Northwestern started one, red shirt, he played well too.
Trying to deflect?? Uh no.
Sefo progressed from his freshman season to his sophomore season. Why don't we give him more than a game to show improvement this season? Oh that's right, the season is over in your mind and Sefo has already reached his ceiling and he is just terrible.
really?
His completion percentage ticked up, his average per attempt actually went down, his TD/INT ratio basically stayed the same and his passer rating was nearly identical. Where's this progression you're talking about? He's the same quarterback today as he was when he came here.
Yellow Shirt
Club Member
BYU's true frosh had a great 1/2 series before their senior made it back onto the field. Announcers mentioned his talented arm, and that he won't be much of a runner. Kid promptly rolled right and gunned a completion throwing against his body, ran for first down, and had another positive yardage play which my mind has failed to stow away. Point is, his talent immediately overcame his greenness. I wouldn't know Montez if he was standing next to me. But, if some of you have and he looks like he's a talent upgrade, let him go get some dirt in his face mask.
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Byu's freshman qb is probably 21 years old too. He just hasn't played in awhile is his hiccup. Definitely more mature I'd guess. That's not a knock on Montez. Byu guy was in Chile the last two years.
He's the same QB he was as a freshman?
Alright, sacky, have a great holiday weekend. If that's what you think there's no use to continue discussing this.
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No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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Never let me go, oh.
No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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This is what were really talking about and not Montez. I was hoping he would show more care with the ball entering the upperclassman part of his career. He didn't really show that in game 1.
I think he is a better QB than when he got here, but you really do have to wonder if we have seen the ceiling. You also have to wonder how long the leash is now. Realistically, it has to be shortened barring substantial improvement, and soon. Not eight games from now, but next week. I actually wonder if he can even play a clean game at this point.
But, but, he was "throwing it away and it slipped".
As to the OP I do see the bunker mentality setting in and that is not a good thing. Whatever it takes for sefo to win I'm all for.
fwbuff
Well-Known Member
This. If Montez really is good, I'd rather have the extra year of him down the road when maybe the team is competing for bowls.
But, what makes you all so convinced Montez is the answer? Because he reportedly looked good in fall camp? Surely we know better than to put much stock in reports out of fall camp. Just like this team had really matured. And Ross is gonna be a breakout star (like Bobo the year before him). And Sefo's decision-making is improved. And Powell looks like a true lead back (but Adkins seems to have no place on this team). And Crawley and Nembot look like Day 2 NFL Draft picks. Ad nauseum.
All I'm saying is I'm not going to state he's reached his ceiling yet and he has really the next 6 games to show it.
I mean, you at least have to admit it is a possibility. Anyone watching has to be wondering it.
BTW, why six games? Do we really have that much time for him to get on track? I don't think so.
I don't believe I've denied it being a possibility. In fact I recall saying that if he doesn't show this year then he's likely hit his ceiling during the offseason.
6 games is a arbitrary number. No real reason for that number, just kind of a point of emphasis.
I guess this is where the point of contention lies. You talk about if he doesn't show "this year" or throwing out the six game mark. I think what I and others are saying is why the need to wait so long to start drawing conclusions. He has the experience, there is no need to play the long game here. The sense of urgency needs to be here now.
Is our losing a QB problem or a team problem? I think the latter. Even if, and I don't believe it to be the case, Montez was a better QB than Sefo is he better enough to win us 4,5, or 6 more games. That one I am sure is not the case.
We have a QB that makes mistakes that I at least partly attribute to he being forced to play before he was ready and forming bad habits. Let's solve that by throwing another QB to the wolves before he is ready to play so we can screw him up as well.
As somebody mentioned early in the thread the most popular guy on almost any losing football team is the back-up QB, at least until he plays then we find out that no he isn't the savior and no we aren't going to suddenly win a lot of games with him playing.
We have a QB that makes mistakes that I at least partly attribute to he being forced to play before he was ready and forming bad habits. Let's solve that by throwing another QB to the wolves before he is ready to play so we can screw him up as well.
As somebody mentioned early in the thread the most popular guy on almost any losing football team is the back-up QB, at least until he plays then we find out that no he isn't the savior and no we aren't going to suddenly win a lot of games with him playing.
Mtn, you continue to crack me up. Never willing to acknowledge that Sefo might just be nothing more than an average QB, always has to be something else.
And the thread is titled Montez, but this thread could mean any of the backups. Not sure why it should be out of the question.
And the thread is titled Montez, but this thread could mean any of the backups. Not sure why it should be out of the question.