What did webb or orms do to deserve those flags
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Total meltdown!
- Thread starter DBT
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i don't think you understand the relationship.
bigbang2
blindslighted
Maybe not knowing he has to get the ball out on a 3 step drop, thats all 90, you cant hold it. Kasa is a big dude, throw him open, dont hold it and take a sack. Far as the flag, idk. Crap officiating again, they cant spot the ball for sure.
Nice pass by Hirsch there big bang, told you he'll be ****ed when he has to move.
Feet are everything for a qb, as good as him arm is, he trusted it too much and threw a middle school pass.
Orms for a very weak late hit, shouldn't have been called
CU had chances but they have better players period. Our guys quit pure and simple, we are slow too.
Not only that, they have better players, they can run. They also are tougher, they came out pissed, we came out content, any questions?
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BuffaloChuck
Member
Those half-time adjustments.
I get ripped a little for threads like this. I was thinking about why I don't share in the anger. I figured it out: Low T. I used to get teeth grinding, wall punching, remote control throwing pissed at things like last night. That was in my teens all the way into my forties. Now I can watch games and stay fairly calm. So, I don't view things wit a ton of emotion any more. So, you whipper snappers, enjoy your testosterone while you can. And give me a pass when I tell you to calm down.
BuffaloChuck
Member
Yeah. Low T. haha... good one. I realized I'm just so disappointed for letting myself be encouraged by the sometimes decent First Half play. Because there were plenty of awful plays in there, too. I was hoping our coaching staff would implement more of the encouraging plays instead of the bad ones. I am disappointed that I seem to forget the quality of this coaching staff.
I thought the offense showed some good signs. But the defense puts way to much pressure on the offense. I do not see any difference makers on defense yet. I'm not sure what a coach is to do. Certainly, the kids need to learn how to recognize a screen. That's coaching. Being out of position is part youth and part coaching. The big concern is lack of improvement. That is coaching. But I think the offense is looking better. ASU is ranked, what, 10th in defense?
BuffaloChuck
Member
I think the injuries and the Trust Level among the starters forces those starters to think, "Do I cover my man or help covering his?" so neither 'man' is covered. "Trying to do too much" seems to be one symptom they're demonstrating, which means, "We haven't practiced enough together so I don't trust what the other player(s) can or will do."
Part of this is the youth-excuse, but by college-career time, these players have gone thru a few years of working with lesser and greater talents all around them. They recognize what they can and can't do.
So then, it's up to coaches to design practices to demonstrate the best way to handle this. Yet in the 2nd Half, I saw a lot of "trying to cover too many so I don't cover any one" holes. I kept seeing this on the bad screen-coverage. Over and over. Why can't the coaches get thru to the players? Why aren't coaches delivering the needed instructions? Too stupid of players? Or instructions that aren't being communicated?
Ultimately, this is the problem for coaches to fix because we saw what happens when players are left on their own.
Part of this is the youth-excuse, but by college-career time, these players have gone thru a few years of working with lesser and greater talents all around them. They recognize what they can and can't do.
So then, it's up to coaches to design practices to demonstrate the best way to handle this. Yet in the 2nd Half, I saw a lot of "trying to cover too many so I don't cover any one" holes. I kept seeing this on the bad screen-coverage. Over and over. Why can't the coaches get thru to the players? Why aren't coaches delivering the needed instructions? Too stupid of players? Or instructions that aren't being communicated?
Ultimately, this is the problem for coaches to fix because we saw what happens when players are left on their own.
BuffNut99
Club Member
He was talking about Webb's 15. Orms' was deserved and was the dumbest play of the night.
A big part of what you are talking about, and you are completely correct in your observations, is that we have guys on the field who have no business being starters at this level at this point in their careers.
Our LBs are terrible slow. Major plays his heart out, I hate to see people bash him, but he can't run anymore after the knee injury. Webb is also not back to speed after his knee and now has an ankle to deal with as well. Because they are slow, and the offense knows it and goes after them, they try to make up for it by abandoning caution and going absolute full speed. The result is that they run themselves out of position and don't have the speed to recover. Happened all night on the screens and when they finally stopped going after the screens they got killed on the drag play.
DBs are way better than last year but especially without Polk are very young and easy to sucker into running to the wrong spot. Terrell is a little like our LBs, lots of heart but just not enough talent on the field. When he tries to make up for it the offense takes advantage and makes him look silly. On a good team he is a spot player and a special teams dynamo.
As dissapointed as I am in getting our teeth kicked in again I am actually reasonably happy about the performance of the D in the first half. ASU did miss a couple of plays that could have been TDs but the D also forced some things and held in there. In the second half ASU adjusted to our youth and complete lack of depth and killed us as we ran out of gas and started pressing making more mistakes.
In short coaching can and should be better but the guys who should be making the adjustments on the field either aren't on the field, are on the field but are to worried about overcoming their own shortcomings, or are not on the roster right now.
Need to change Parkers jersey number to 15, he tries hard but keeps making dumb plays the result in flags. Last night was far from the first time.
Absolutely.
Rraalph 3000
Well-Known Member
I wish I had the passion for a meltdown like some still do......unfortunately yesterday was a chore to get up to the game on a Thursday night (unlike 4 years back when I was as excited as could ever be)...apathy has set in so deep
I am no longer upset about losing, because I expect to lose....I think the players and fans have that exact same mentality now and will be very difficult to ever recover which is the sad thing
I am no longer upset about losing, because I expect to lose....I think the players and fans have that exact same mentality now and will be very difficult to ever recover which is the sad thing
Tea Rex
Club Member
Someone had to take on Polk's late hits.
BlackNGold
Club Member
I actually saw it the opposite way. Other than a 24 second offensive surge in the second quarter, it was the defense that was keeping the team in the game. The offense came out in the second half and just continued to go 3 and out. I thought the offense was a lot more inept than the defense. Not that the Defense was stellar.
Lt.Col.FrankSlade
Well-Known Member
Really difficult to give the offense ANY praise when they generated only 60 yards per quarter on the average.
BuffaloChuck
Member
DBT, you felt this thread's title was correct when you created it. Now, 12 hours later, how do you feel? There are quite a few comments on the board that are practically shrugs - "I give up!" Not enraged. Not heated.
Are you surprised by this? I am, to some degree - historically, I'd have thought you might still be firehosing down the boards but, instead, we might need trolls to fan the coals and see if there's any spark left.
And truly that's the worst fate.
Are you surprised by this? I am, to some degree - historically, I'd have thought you might still be firehosing down the boards but, instead, we might need trolls to fan the coals and see if there's any spark left.
And truly that's the worst fate.
Agree with this entirely.
Offense was not doing it's part. Defense was stuck with a number of short fields to defend. Offense also failed to maintain any kind of drives to give the defense a breather. Defense had it's problems as well but it seemed like every time the defense came off the field they were coming back on again a short time later.
ASU has a very high powered offense that has scored easily on just about everyone they have played. The first half the defense kept us in the game. Second half was another story with a combination of the KO return puting us in a hole from the outset, ASU making some adjustments to take better advantage of their speed advantages, and most importantly the D simply running out of gas.