UH seems to be the latest crybaby school from Texas begging the legislature for help

[BuffsNYC]

http://www.chron.com/local/educatio...uld-be-in-Big-12-board-chair-says-6089909.php

The more I think about it, the more time the Texas legislature spends on conference realignment rather than on outlawing gay folks or mandating creationism in public schools, the better.

 

[Dark Bohner]

Hilarious. I wonder if UH realizes that the Texas legislature can only affect 30% of the members in the Big 12? I don't see how they can force the other 7 members (Baylor being private) into accepting another Texas school into the conference. I'd actually expect the other 7 schools to laugh at UH.

 

[pcbuff]

The big 12 is run by one school. If UT wants Houston, it will happen. So glad we are out of their clutches!

 

[sackman]

Get used to this kind of stuff. The landscape of college football is changing rapidly. The gulf between the haves and the have-nots is wider than it's ever been and it's continuing to grow. Schools like Houston are on the outside looking in. They desperately want to be given a place at the grown-ups table, and it's looking less and less likely that will ever happen.

 

[BuffUp]

So my favorite CU, well you all now what's happen there and now my 2nd favorite UH, ****ing great.

 

[hokiehead]

if I was president of a state school that wasn't currently in a P5 conference, I'd explore every avenue possible to gain membership, including petitioning the state legislature. I don't think this makes them crybabies, just self-interested.

--guy whose alma mater took help from the gubnor to gain admission to the ACC

 

[Duff Man]

So my favorite CU, well you all now what's happen there and now my 2nd favorite UH, ****ing great.

????

 

[Buffnik]

I believe UH is the 3rd largest university in the state of Texas. I know that they were a SWC member and have a higher level of athletic success than many of the current Big 12 members (Heisman winner, conference titles, hoops Final Four, golf titles, T&F titles, etc.). They'd also be among the best academic institutions in the Big 12. If the Texas state government played hardball to get Baylor into the Big 12 back in the day, it stands to reason that it would do the same and more for the University of Houston.

 

[SuperD]

I actually think Coug High has a better shot at getting into the P12 than the B12...and a lot of bad things would need to happen for the P12 to even consider that.

 

[DBT]

I thought CSU was going to be the next school added to the Big 12. Isn't that true?

 

[somebody]

"Put pressure on the presidents;, say, 'If you don't do this, we're not going to fund you for this,'" Fertitta said in a meeting with the Houston Chronicle's editorial board Thursday. "It's just the way it is. That's the way to do it."

What does the Texas legislature give to the B12? Also, is this guy related to the UFC Fertitta?

 

[Deleted member 807]

I thought CSU was going to be the next school added to the Big 12. Isn't that true?

Woody Paige is CSU's huckleberry. He's not above taking his bloated ass up to Capitol Hill to lobby for CSU with powerful people. He has connections and everything.

 

[lvbuff]

What does the Texas legislature give to the B12? Also, is this guy related to the UFC Fertitta?

Yes they are related...same family that put the Bishop Gorman coach in at UNLV. Among other things they own the station casinos and many restaurants in Houston.

 

[aik]

Cougar High and UT athletics have alleged bad blood from one of the parties feeling wronged in the course of some deal to play each other falling through, I think. One of you H-towners will have to set the record straight on that. But you don't see a lot of OOC scheduling between the two, particularly not in football which would actually yield some competitive matchups in UT's mediocre years. UH would be one of the more desirable additions to that conference as it descends back to the SWC level of membership. Would make sense for travel among the other schools and the best G5 candidate in the state to join a power conference.

Nik, I don't know much about their academic reputation aside from them supposedly having a world class hotel management program, but you are correct in that the school itself has a huge enrollment. Big commuter campus.

 

[Buffnik]

Cougar High and UT athletics have alleged bad blood from one of the parties feeling wronged in the course of some deal to play each other falling through, I think. One of you H-towners will have to set the record straight on that. But you don't see a lot of OOC scheduling between the two, particularly not in football which would actually yield some competitive matchups in UT's mediocre years. UH would be one of the more desirable additions to that conference as it descends back to the SWC level of membership. Would make sense for travel among the other schools and the best G5 candidate in the state to join a power conference.

Nik, I don't know much about their academic reputation aside from them supposedly having a world class hotel management program, but you are correct in that the school itself has a huge enrollment. Big commuter campus.

I don't know much except that I remember when we were having Pac-12 expansion discussions I looked them up after hearing that Larry Scott visited. What I remember is that they're Tier 1 for research, which is pretty much going to be a Pac-12 requirement for any new members. It was also a recent development that put them on the track for AAU membership.

 

[ahoelsken]

Cougar High and UT athletics have alleged bad blood from one of the parties feeling wronged in the course of some deal to play each other falling through, I think. One of you H-towners will have to set the record straight on that. But you don't see a lot of OOC scheduling between the two, particularly not in football which would actually yield some competitive matchups in UT's mediocre years. UH would be one of the more desirable additions to that conference as it descends back to the SWC level of membership. Would make sense for travel among the other schools and the best G5 candidate in the state to join a power conference.

Nik, I don't know much about their academic reputation aside from them supposedly having a world class hotel management program, but you are correct in that the school itself has a huge enrollment. Big commuter campus.

If the CFP snubs the Big 12 again next year, the people at UH will get their wish.....

 

[SpacemanSpiff]

Cougar High and UT athletics have alleged bad blood from one of the parties feeling wronged in the course of some deal to play each other falling through, I think. One of you H-towners will have to set the record straight on that. But you don't see a lot of OOC scheduling between the two, particularly not in football which would actually yield some competitive matchups in UT's mediocre years.

The bad blood is primarily from a dispute when UT was scheduled to play in Houston and UH condemned some bleacher seating that was primarily UT fans, in order to try and increase the home field advantage. UH said it was for safety but UT didn't buy it and threatened to never play UH again.

Like the rift with A&M, this will blow over eventually as ADs move on but from a conference standpoint I don't think the B12 thinks UH brings enough value to warrant sharing the money with another school. They already have the Houston tv market. I think that UH would be more attractive to a non-B12 conference that is interested in making gains into Houston for recruiting and tv.

 

[boydbuff]

I actually think Coug High has a better shot at getting into the P12 than the B12...and a lot of bad things would need to happen for the P12 to even consider that.

I am not sure that would be such a bad thing for us. Puts TX back as a legit recruiting grounds for us without (hopefully) dealing with UTexass

 

[Dark Bohner]

Woody Paige is CSU's huckleberry. He's not above taking his bloated ass up to Capitol Hill to lobby for CSU with powerful people. He has connections and everything.

His bloated ass can do all he wants. The Colorado state legislature has zero influence on any P5 conferences. Would be good for a laugh though.

 

[Deleted member 807]

His bloated ass can do all he wants. The Colorado state legislature has zero influence on any P5 conferences. Would be good for a laugh though.

I find comparing the position of college football in the states of Kansas and Oklahoma to provide an interesting contrast to Colorado.

It's unlikely OU and OSU or KU and KSU would ever be decoupled from the same conference. State politics wouldn't allow it.

In contrast, the Colorado legislature historically never forced the issue of pairing CSU and CU in a single conference. Promoting the RMS series is as far as Colorado lawmakers have gone.

 

[Mr. Babar]

The Pac12 could also poach some non-P5 TX schools to increase presence. Add UTSA, Houston, SMU, and throw in New Mexico for the last spot. Gets the P12 into the Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and ABQ TV markets.

Go to the pod system with a 16 team conference (which is a great setup in my opinion).

Pod 1
USC
UCLA
Stanford
Cal

Pod 2
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
Wash St

Pod 3
CU
Utah
ASU
Arizona

Pod 4
Houston
UTSA
SMU
New Mexico

No need for divisions, play a 3-2-2-2 conference season and have the top two teams meet at the end of the season. They could come from the same pod in theory which removes the "weaker" division controversy.

Good for the Pac12 in TV and recruiting. Puts more pressure on the Big 12 as well.


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[4DemBuffs]

Gawd dammit.

 

[TDbuff]

IF there was ever a mandate to expand, I would be more than happy to deputize some non fbs texas schools. If nothing else, it would further marginalize UT, and then we could look at them and say: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ ,you a-holes started this sh*t.

 

[onealcd]

The Pac12 could also poach some non-P5 TX schools to increase presence. Add UTSA, Houston, SMU, and throw in New Mexico for the last spot. Gets the P12 into the Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and ABQ TV markets.

Go to the pod system with a 16 team conference (which is a great setup in my opinion).

Pod 1
USC
UCLA
Stanford
Cal

Pod 2
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
Wash St

Pod 3
CU
Utah
ASU
Arizona

Pod 4
Houston
UTSA
SMU
New Mexico

No need for divisions, play a 3-2-2-2 conference season and have the top two teams meet at the end of the season. They could come from the same pod in theory which removes the "weaker" division controversy.

Good for the Pac12 in TV and recruiting. Puts more pressure on the Big 12 as well.


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This has to be a joke

 

[cubuffs11]

The Pac12 could also poach some non-P5 TX schools to increase presence. Add UTSA, Houston, SMU, and throw in New Mexico for the last spot. Gets the P12 into the Houston, San Antonio, Dallas, and ABQ TV markets.

Go to the pod system with a 16 team conference (which is a great setup in my opinion).

Pod 1
USC
UCLA
Stanford
Cal

Pod 2
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
Wash St

Pod 3
CU
Utah
ASU
Arizona

Pod 4
Houston
UTSA
SMU
New Mexico

No need for divisions, play a 3-2-2-2 conference season and have the top two teams meet at the end of the season. They could come from the same pod in theory which removes the "weaker" division controversy.

Good for the Pac12 in TV and recruiting. Puts more pressure on the Big 12 as well.


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But which Pod would CSU go into???

 

[Buffnik]

If the Pac-12 were ever to expand into Texas (honestly, I believe this would require UT wanting to make a move), which Texas program would you guys support as the 2nd Texas school?

I'd actually want Houston over TTU, TCU, Baylor or any of the others.

 

[patebuff]

 

[skibum]

If the Pac-12 were ever to expand into Texas (honestly, I believe this would require UT wanting to make a move), which Texas program would you guys support as the 2nd Texas school?

I'd actually want Houston over TTU, TCU, Baylor or any of the others.

I would prefer OU, but if that really wasn't possible, then UH would be my preference as well. It also has the benefit of being a good measure of UT's willingness to start playing well with others.
"Sure, you can join our conference, but Houston is joining at the same time and they're going to be your travel partner" would be a hard enough pill for them to swallow that it would make a good litmus test.

 

[Deleted member 807]

If the Pac-12 were ever to expand into Texas (honestly, I believe this would require UT wanting to make a move), which Texas program would you guys support as the 2nd Texas school?

I'd actually want Houston over TTU, TCU, Baylor or any of the others.

SMU & Rice. Small rich schools that balance academic with athletic. Entry into #3 & #4 MSAs in nation and easy access to fertile recruiting grounds. Winnable games. Alumi happy to give UT and B12 middle finger.

 

[TDbuff]

SMU & Rice. Small rich schools that balance academic with athletic. Entry into #3 & #4 MSAs in nation and easy access to fertile recruiting grounds. Winnable games. Alumi happy to give UT and B12 middle finger.

I wonder how SMU's religious affiliation would play, plus their corrupt past. Is North Texas a good enough school?