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University of Utah = National Champion!
- Thread starter Timbuff10
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Ute's should be #1! Very deserving
Impressive win for the Utes, good for college football too.
Hate to repeat the cliche - "Sorry Charlie" :sad1:
Curious, has anyone seen the Utes campus and facilities??
How do they compare to ours?
How long has their current coach been leading the team?
How has this school put together such an impressive program?
I think Monk makes a good point. Why not move the Utes, BYU, Boise St. and Buffs to the PAC 10? Change is good.
Playoffs?? Either 8 teams no automatic bid for conference champs or like the Pro's 12 teams top four get a bye the first week.
Hate to repeat the cliche - "Sorry Charlie" :sad1:
Curious, has anyone seen the Utes campus and facilities??
How do they compare to ours?
How long has their current coach been leading the team?
How has this school put together such an impressive program?
I think Monk makes a good point. Why not move the Utes, BYU, Boise St. and Buffs to the PAC 10? Change is good.
Playoffs?? Either 8 teams no automatic bid for conference champs or like the Pro's 12 teams top four get a bye the first week.
Mick Ronson
Well-Known Member
so, why is it a week ago TCU or Boise couldn't hack the week-in, week-out rigors of the Big XII and now Utah is the national champion? Utah was flat lucky to beat TCU in SLC.
if Utah was Rutgers and undefeated would Mountain Time Zone people be all up on the Rutgers for NC bandwagon?
if Utah was Rutgers and undefeated would Mountain Time Zone people be all up on the Rutgers for NC bandwagon?
The Guest
Guest
I'm not sure who this email is aimed at. I don't think the support for Utah is regional (Mountain Time Zone) so much as it is circumstantial.
Consider the following:
-The Mountain West proved itself capable in competition against BCS conference teams.
-Utah played three games against BCS conference teams. Oregon State and Alamaba were both high-quality wins for the Utes.
-Utah completed its season undefeated and beat one of the top teams in the nation in a BCS bowl.
I think ANY team which meets those credentials deserves high consideration for a national championship.
Rutgers? The Knights already play in a BCS-affiliated conference; if they'd gone undefeated this season, they would have played in the BCS championship game. Therefore I view the Rutgers reference in your post a bit of a non-sequiter.
buffwings
Club Member
Absolutely, for a while everyone was having an orgasm over Abalama and were set to just hand them the championship trophy. Nobody was mentioning the Utes, as it was a foregone conclusion that they would just lose vs whatever BCS team in the bowl game. Except for one game Abalama is still a pretty darn good team. The UTES are better.
They have the credentials; an undefeated season, won handedly over a so-called major program in a BCS bowl, beat several ranked teams. BUT because they not from a BCS conference they dont get a sniff? WTF is wrong with this picture? That's elitism at its best. It's all a liberal conspiracy!! (before the socialists get wrapped around the axle, I was just joking about the last part)
They have the credentials; an undefeated season, won handedly over a so-called major program in a BCS bowl, beat several ranked teams. BUT because they not from a BCS conference they dont get a sniff? WTF is wrong with this picture? That's elitism at its best. It's all a liberal conspiracy!! (before the socialists get wrapped around the axle, I was just joking about the last part)
buffwings
Club Member
Oh BTW, since I'm here in the middle of the 'menstrual detergent' nation, the wife and I are thinking of buying a couple of Utah Sugar Bowl shirts to wear the rest of the year.
Funny to see how many dirty looks we get. :lol::lol:
The inflated egos and rhetoric that was flung around were almost unbearable.
Funny to see how many dirty looks we get. :lol::lol:
The inflated egos and rhetoric that was flung around were almost unbearable.
The Guest
Guest
Dude, they'll cut you bad. Seriously.
Love what Utah did, couldn't happen to a better guy than Saban. That said the idea that Utah is the best team in the country is a flippin joke, undefeated or not.
Yes they won their BCS bowl game, they won a game against a team that barely showed up emotionally and was missing its offensive line. Had Alabama had their AA offensive tackle playing and the rest of their guys in their normal positions (even with the injured guard missing) do you seriously think that the Utah DE gets even close to the QB much less three sacks. Do you think that Utah even slows down the Bama running game. Not likely.
The other aspect for Utah is the undefeated season, great job. At the same time do you think an undefeated season in the MWC is equal to a one loss season in the BigXII or the SEC, if you do you don't watch much football. Their is a clear physical difference between even the bottom teams in the BigXII and SEC and the middle teams in the MWC.
Utah played some impressive games. TCU was fast and talented, fast and talented enough to get rolled by OU but fun to watch. BYU plays exciting football, oops loses to Arizona in bowl. Oregon State did beat SC, then choked away the rest of their season, beating Michigan is kind of like beating Notre Dame right now, big name, small accomplishment.
At the same time once the conference season started did any of the major players get the luxury of having games against such physically overwhelming teams as Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, or even the mighty CSU Rams. Utah had enough talent to quite frankly make these games breathers. All could potentially upset somebody who didn't prepare for them but realistically are they as physically talented as Baylor, Kentucky, or even the bottom teams in the Big X all of whom may not be as good on a one game basis but are all bigger stronger and deeper than the middle teams in the mid-majors.
Utah, great season, great accomplishment, enjoy it fully. Just don't think that this makes you the best team in the nation.
And this is exactly why a playoff (more than a plus one) is a bad idea. In a 16 team playoff there is no way that Utah wins more than one game. This way they get to keep their fantasy forever. At the same time no matter how big you make the playoff bracket you are going to have more complaining about who got or didn't get the last seed and who got bracketted against who. The way it stands right now every game matters from game one on. If you don't like it go watch the pros where the standard is "As long as we get in then we will see what happens."
College football is as healthy financially as it has ever been and if the guys who run it though that putting in a playoff would make it healthier they would, not going to happen.
End of rant!:wow::wow:
Yes they won their BCS bowl game, they won a game against a team that barely showed up emotionally and was missing its offensive line. Had Alabama had their AA offensive tackle playing and the rest of their guys in their normal positions (even with the injured guard missing) do you seriously think that the Utah DE gets even close to the QB much less three sacks. Do you think that Utah even slows down the Bama running game. Not likely.
The other aspect for Utah is the undefeated season, great job. At the same time do you think an undefeated season in the MWC is equal to a one loss season in the BigXII or the SEC, if you do you don't watch much football. Their is a clear physical difference between even the bottom teams in the BigXII and SEC and the middle teams in the MWC.
Utah played some impressive games. TCU was fast and talented, fast and talented enough to get rolled by OU but fun to watch. BYU plays exciting football, oops loses to Arizona in bowl. Oregon State did beat SC, then choked away the rest of their season, beating Michigan is kind of like beating Notre Dame right now, big name, small accomplishment.
At the same time once the conference season started did any of the major players get the luxury of having games against such physically overwhelming teams as Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, or even the mighty CSU Rams. Utah had enough talent to quite frankly make these games breathers. All could potentially upset somebody who didn't prepare for them but realistically are they as physically talented as Baylor, Kentucky, or even the bottom teams in the Big X all of whom may not be as good on a one game basis but are all bigger stronger and deeper than the middle teams in the mid-majors.
Utah, great season, great accomplishment, enjoy it fully. Just don't think that this makes you the best team in the nation.
And this is exactly why a playoff (more than a plus one) is a bad idea. In a 16 team playoff there is no way that Utah wins more than one game. This way they get to keep their fantasy forever. At the same time no matter how big you make the playoff bracket you are going to have more complaining about who got or didn't get the last seed and who got bracketted against who. The way it stands right now every game matters from game one on. If you don't like it go watch the pros where the standard is "As long as we get in then we will see what happens."
College football is as healthy financially as it has ever been and if the guys who run it though that putting in a playoff would make it healthier they would, not going to happen.
End of rant!:wow::wow:
I think it would depend on the structure of it. A pre seeded playoff is not so great. However, taking the winner of each of the 4 BCS bowls would be a good start. To do this I think they need to add 2 more bowl games kind of like they have with the unnamed mNC Bowl Game. The problem is Fla and OU are already seeded and if they were not Utah might not be in.
buffwings
Club Member
Yeah, you might be right. Some places I wouldnt wear T-shirts of any team. These people are fanatical. Kind of like cornholers.
According to Sagarin, they go 4-0 against top 30 teams:
#7 Bama
#9 TCU
#19 Oregon State
#23 BYU
They totally dominated Alabama, a team that was undefeated through the regular season SEC. They beat Oregon State the week after the Beavers upset USC. From September 13 through November 22, the Beavers go 8-1 with wins over USC, Cal and at Arizona with the only loss against Utah. The PAC 10 is 5-0 in Bowl Games.
Florida is 3-1 versus top 30 games, an extra game coming from the SEC conference championship game. Mountain West does not have that game.
If Florida beats OU and does not accumulate lots of style points, how can you say there is no argument? What else does a team like Utah have to do?
#7 Bama
#9 TCU
#19 Oregon State
#23 BYU
They totally dominated Alabama, a team that was undefeated through the regular season SEC. They beat Oregon State the week after the Beavers upset USC. From September 13 through November 22, the Beavers go 8-1 with wins over USC, Cal and at Arizona with the only loss against Utah. The PAC 10 is 5-0 in Bowl Games.
Florida is 3-1 versus top 30 games, an extra game coming from the SEC conference championship game. Mountain West does not have that game.
If Florida beats OU and does not accumulate lots of style points, how can you say there is no argument? What else does a team like Utah have to do?
I work there, here's my opinions of it.
Campus itself is alright. Nowhere near as pretty as CU, and its really spread out. I've never got that College vibe around town, mostly cause it is right by the heart of Salt Lake City.
Athletic facilities are comparable though, they definitely got a lot of help from the Olympics a few years ago (they got a brand new stadium out of it). I'm not a fan of the Marriott Center (basketball venue).
Here's a website with some details of the facilities: http://utahutes.cstv.com/trads/utah-facilities.html
They do have several D1 programs that Colorado does not have, such as Swimming, Baseball and Gymnastics.
That being said, outside of the Utah-BYU games, football games seem rarely sold out, and, as unfair as it seems for being as successful as they've been the last 5 years, BYU still tends to get top billing for most of the local media, and both schools get bumped for the Jazz..... (I swear to god, I've seen preseason NBA Jazz games televised here)
Deleted member 807
Guest
I don't know jack about the U of Utah, other than that is where Cold Fusion was temporarily invented before being disproven, sort of like the Ute's claim on a mNC.
Sorry, Utah knows the deal, they are in a weaker conference. If they want to have a legit claim they have to schedule it. Michigan was a good idea, they did not know that they would be down. OSU was OK as well, but they are usually a mid table PAC 10 team. But don't schedule Utah State and Weber State and then claim you've done enough to be #1. Enjoy being #3 at the end of the year, behind the Florida/OU winner and USC.
buffwings
Club Member
We'll meet in them in 2012. They'll be playing in Boulder with possibly Clark Evans and and Jordan Wynn (who decided to go with the Utes instead of the Buffs) as the starting QBs.
P.S. some dude mentioned it on NB, but I thought I'd post it here, since it was interesting info.
P.S. some dude mentioned it on NB, but I thought I'd post it here, since it was interesting info.
Bama Charlie
Well-Known Member
I drank a half-case of Keystone Light in the first half.
They whooped us bad. And they outcoached us.
The Guest
Guest
Well, they paid a lot more for their coach. Oh...wait a minute!
Sorry about the loss, man.
Deleted member 807
Guest
Funny. I've never heard a Ute fan use the verbs "Mudhole" nor "Skull F**k" in reference to an opponent. Ironic, huh?
:yeahthat:
Utah had a great and impressive win last night, but I just don't see it as enough to consider them for #1 after all the bowl games are done. They beat Michigan - so what, Michigan totally sucked this year. They had nice wins over TCU, BYU, and Oregon State. But beyond that, there just isn't enough meat on their schedule. Very nice resume, but not enough to vault them to #1, even with last night's big win.
Uhhh - no. They played a tougher schedule than USC, and they beat the team that beat USC. USC should not be ranked ahead of the Utes.
Uh, yeah. USC played Utah State, Weber State, Wyoming, UNLV, New Mexico, San Diego State, what a murderers row. Of course they did play an awesome Michigan team and beating Air Force and CSU is at least as good as beating Arizona, Oregon, Ohio State and Cal.
What Utah did was very impressive, just keep it in perspective for what it is. If Utah had played in one of the big 4 conferences no way would they be undefeated.
What Utah did was very impressive, just keep it in perspective for what it is. If Utah had played in one of the big 4 conferences no way would they be undefeated.
CSU Husker
Well-Known Member
Guess what, nobody went thru any of the big conferences undefeated. So how you gonna say Utah is worse than any other team? Sure looked like they were as good as anyone last night.
You don't get a national championship playing in the MWC if your OOC includes Weber, Utah State and a bad Michigan team. If you think Utah is the best team in college football then you should also believe that Merino HS was the best team in Colorado in those years they went undefeated. They looked impressive too.
Utah did a great job and had a very good team, they did not have to play a schedule that compares with the teams who are legitimately being considered for the MNC. It makes a great argument for their fans and even for the fans of their conference but looked at realistically it is a not the same thing.
Utah did a great job and had a very good team, they did not have to play a schedule that compares with the teams who are legitimately being considered for the MNC. It makes a great argument for their fans and even for the fans of their conference but looked at realistically it is a not the same thing.
A playoff is required to settle all of this. However the gutless powers who run CFB will say all of this discussion is what makes the sport great
issed:Deleted member 807
Guest
Sold. Texas should be #1 because...cus...because they are Texas, damnit.
Those winners in Utah are losers because...cus...they are Utah, damnit.
Top 25 (end of year) that USC played:
Ohio State (#10) - W
Oregon State (#24) - L
Oregon (#15) - W
Penn State(#6 and Bowl Game) - W
Record of 3-1, Average Opponent Ranking of 13.75
Top 25 (end of year) that Utah played:
Oregon State (#24) - W
TCU (#11) - W
BYU (#17) - W
Alabama (#4, Bowl Game) - W
Record of 4 - 0, Average Opponent Ranking of 14
USC didn't have a tough schedule, but they did have name recognition on their schedule. That's it.
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You honestly think any power these days is gonna want a piece of these guys?
Timbuff10
Member
Adding clauses mean we have nothing better than what we have now... That is the whole problem, we need a system that will have no flaws in determining a real champion. 8 teams is not enough as polls are to much a part of the old boy network and there are more conference champions than 8 teams.
Timbuff10
Member
This is why college football pisses me off so much... Champions should never be decided by who someone thinks is the best. If that is the case, why play any of the games... Just ask Vegas who wins them all.
Yeah it is pretty obvious that the big12 and sec is a stonger conference than the mountain west. I think it is a safe bet that if the sugar bowl was a best of 7 series then bama would never lose a series to utah. Does utah deserve to be the national champion? Under the system we have they played the best and are undefeated with the most wins. If champions aren't judged by wins and loses, then the whole thing is BS and I say CU should be the national champion.
I am just glad the NFL doesn't have this micky mouse bowl game/we like this team better so you are the winner bull ****. On to real football where I don't need some d-bag committee of announcers trying to convince me who the champion is on paper.