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GoBuffs!! said:
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegebas...e-online-web-posts-leaks-famous-alumni-111013

Looks like UMD had a bunch of people going onto forums and talking good about the move to the B1G to "balance out" all the negativity of leaving the ACC.

I wonder how much of this actually goes on, and who here is from the administration??
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Yeah of course I read that. I wish they hadn't. I wasn't for the move initially but I'm fine with it now. Once they took out the Duke home-and-home, it wasn't the same anymore. It already wasn't that way with all the expansion for football purposes.
 
boulder77 said:
1. **** Bailer
2. NashBuff
3. ????
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CU didn't have as much history with the Big 12 as Maryland does with the ACC. There's the big difference in terms of drumming up public support. Maryland was a charter member of the ACC. Yes, I know CU was a charter member of the Big 12 but that's a much younger conference.

Geography-wise, Maryland isn't like or close in proximity to outposts like Lincoln, Nebraska, Ann Arbor, Michigan, Madison, Wisconsin; CU alums are more in Pac-12 territory than Big 12 territory, CU is more like UCLA/Arizona than it's Big 12 counterparts.
 
cubuffs85 said:
CU didn't have as much history with the Big 12 as Maryland does with the ACC. There's the big difference in terms of drumming up public support. Maryland was a charter member of the ACC. Yes, I know CU was a charter member of the Big 12 but that's a much younger conference.

Geography-wise, Maryland isn't like or close in proximity to outposts like Lincoln, Nebraska, Ann Arbor, Michigan, Madison, Wisconsin; CU alums are more in Pac-12 territory than Big 12 territory, CU is more like UCLA/Arizona than it's Big 12 counterparts.
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Get serious! CU's history with the core of the Big 12, (i.e. Big 8) goes back to 1947. The Big 12 was just the Big 8 with the Tejas schools strapped on like an ill-fitted dildo.
 
Buffenuf said:
Get serious! CU's history with the core of the Big 12, (i.e. Big 8) goes back to 1947. The Big 12 was just the Big 8 with the Tejas schools strapped on like an ill-fitted dildo.
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I consider the Big 12 and Big 8 two separate conferences. Those Texas schools have a big influence in the Big 12, look at where the league offices are located. By comparison, BC/VT/Miami, don't have the influence that UNC/Duke and other Carolina schools do. As I said earlier there was more resistance from MD fans moving to the Big 10 than CU fans moving to the Pac 12. In fact, I'd say it was much more embraced in CU's case. Were you against CU moving to the Pac-12?, that's what I was really getting at.
 
Hope they have a lot of spammers, because there's an overwhelming consensus that Maryland is making a short-sighted, poor decision. Going to hit even more close to home when the ACC is enjoying the tournament in Washington, D.C. while Maryland is playing 1,000 miles away.
 
CVilleBuff said:
Hope they have a lot of spammers, because there's an overwhelming consensus that Maryland is making a short-sighted, poor decision. Going to hit even more close to home when the ACC is enjoying the tournament in Washington, D.C. while Maryland is playing 1,000 miles away.
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It will probably in DC once every decade or so, but the decision to hold it in DC clearly irked many MD fans. It's a business decision, I don't overthink this one. It's an even more central location for the new ACC members and there's a lot of Beltway alums with Syracuse/BC/Pitt/ND.

As you know I'm a Terps fan but I wouldn't call myself a homer for any of my teams. Someone was actually arguing with me that MD would get as much support in Chicago/Indy as in Greensboro. I told them you might see a decent turnout the first few years with the novelty factor, but after that everything being equal, it would decrease compared to Greensboro. It's a lot cheaper to get to Greensboro from DC/Baltimore than it is to take a flight to Chicago. This person rebutted how Chicago was just as convenient as Greensboro, which it really isn't -- anytime a plane is involved, you have to do more advanced planning. Less alums in the midwest as well. Hard to decide to go to Chicago on a whim.
 
cubuffs85 said:
It will probably in DC once every decade or so, but the decision to hold it in DC clearly irked many MD fans. It's a business decision, I don't overthink this one. It's an even more central location for the new ACC members and there's a lot of Beltway alums with Syracuse/BC/Pitt/ND.

As you know I'm a Terps fan but I wouldn't call myself a homer for any of my teams. Someone was actually arguing with me that MD would get as much support in Chicago/Indy as in Greensboro. I told them you might see a decent turnout the first few years with the novelty factor, but after that everything being equal, it would decrease compared to Greensboro. It's a lot cheaper to get to Greensboro from DC/Baltimore than it is to take a flight to Chicago. This person rebutted how Chicago was just as convenient as Greensboro, which it really isn't -- anytime a plane is involved, you have to do more advanced planning. Less alums in the midwest as well. Hard to decide to go to Chicago on a whim.
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I'm sure Chicago is a fun deal for the B1G tournament, but Greensboro is a setting that is just truly special. Outsiders probably think "Greensboro?", but they have little understanding of what the atmosphere is like down there for the ACC Tournament. Incredible event. I criticize the Carolina bias of the ACC, but I'd rather it just be in Greensboro almost every year. I hate the place it in Tampa one year, D.C. the next year, etc. shuffle. Clearly, they'll be eyeing New York in the near future, even if they have to do it at the Barclays Center. I understand why they're doing it, but it gets away from the ACC's roots.
 
The move is strange to me - most of the Terps fans I know aren't terribly thrilled with the move, and, being East Coast centric, don't yearn to travel to the heartland to follow their team. Anecdotal, but I just don't foresee many Maryland fans loving the move.

I do imagine the novelty of traveling to College Park will get some big10 fans to travel for the novelty, but that's likely to quickly fade. One quote from the above article made me laugh: "According to documents obtained by The Baltimore Sun via a Public Information Act request, university employees put comments in support of the Big Ten shift onto various websites, and UM planned to use a public relations firm to plant even more." You can't overlook the fact that the campus is inside the Beltway - devious bastards.
 
CU had lots of history with the Big7/8/12/can't count now.

We knew all about fusker arrogance, now they are gone to the B1G, we dealt with the dirt burglers for decades and their little brother pre/post T. Boone as well as the Kansas duo and Iowa state. When we added the Texas schools it went to a whole different league and way of doing things.

Enter the PAC with schools that don't include Trailer Park Management in their B School offerings and consider the Beverly Hillbillys as fine arts. In other words a conference where academics are a legitimate point of pride, not a side show.

The only people upset about us going to the PAC12 where Baylor who may have been the worst fit for the PAC of any school in the country.

Maryland has a long history in the ACC but the ACC is far less than a model of stability. It isn't likely that Maryland would have been left out in the cold but there were also no guarantees had they stayed in the ACC should other conferences come raiding in the future.

Instead they go into a league that is very stable and appears to have solid and large revenue streams for the foreseeable future. Is Maryland likely to be competitive in the B1G, not likely if you want football championships but they haven't been a powerhouse in the ACC either.

In BB Maryland is likely to be more competitive in the B1G and still be able to do it in a league that gets a lot (maybe to much) respect nationally.
 
CVilleBuff said:
I'm sure Chicago is a fun deal for the B1G tournament, but Greensboro is a setting that is just truly special. Outsiders probably think "Greensboro?", but they have little understanding of what the atmosphere is like down there for the ACC Tournament. Incredible event. I criticize the Carolina bias of the ACC, but I'd rather it just be in Greensboro almost every year. I hate the place it in Tampa one year, D.C. the next year, etc. shuffle. Clearly, they'll be eyeing New York in the near future, even if they have to do it at the Barclays Center. I understand why they're doing it, but it gets away from the ACC's roots.
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Between playing Duke at Comcast(and Cole before that) and the ACC Tourney, those are the only two things I'll really miss about the ACC. The premier conference tourney IMO. It's practically in NC every year. They had it at the GA Dome twice, but they're done with the dome thing. It's a Carolina-based conference, of course you're going to have it there more times than not. Some of the complaining about it is a bit much for me. I personally don't mind if it goes outside NC, once every 4-5 years.
 
CVilleBuff said:
I'm sure Chicago is a fun deal for the B1G tournament, but Greensboro is a setting that is just truly special. Outsiders probably think "Greensboro?", but they have little understanding of what the atmosphere is like down there for the ACC Tournament. Incredible event. I criticize the Carolina bias of the ACC, but I'd rather it just be in Greensboro almost every year. I hate the place it in Tampa one year, D.C. the next year, etc. shuffle. Clearly, they'll be eyeing New York in the near future, even if they have to do it at the Barclays Center. I understand why they're doing it, but it gets away from the ACC's roots.
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greensboro?
 
Bethesda said:
The move is strange to me - most of the Terps fans I know aren't terribly thrilled with the move, and, being East Coast centric, don't yearn to travel to the heartland to follow their team. Anecdotal, but I just don't foresee many Maryland fans loving the move.

I do imagine the novelty of traveling to College Park will get some big10 fans to travel for the novelty, but that's likely to quickly fade. One quote from the above article made me laugh: "According to documents obtained by The Baltimore Sun via a Public Information Act request, university employees put comments in support of the Big Ten shift onto various websites, and UM planned to use a public relations firm to plant even more." You can't overlook the fact that the campus is inside the Beltway - devious bastards.
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I've seen a mix. At first, many hated it but those with the "Carolina conference" chip-on-their-shoulder liked it as if the Big 10 was going to be respectful. I think many are looking forward to the newness of it similar of Colorado moving to the Pac-12, although I think that move was much more accepted. Maryland is moving away from it's roots, base, going to a more basketball-based conference. OTOH, Colorado was moving towards it's alumni base, similar schools, and the move has been good for CU basketball, hard for a move to be good for CU football at this point. I'm ambivalent myself. At first, I was against it. Losing the Duke home-and-home makes it not as bad IMO.
 
MtnBuff said:
CU had lots of history with the Big7/8/12/can't count now.

We knew all about fusker arrogance, now they are gone to the B1G, we dealt with the dirt burglers for decades and their little brother pre/post T. Boone as well as the Kansas duo and Iowa state. When we added the Texas schools it went to a whole different league and way of doing things.

Enter the PAC with schools that don't include Trailer Park Management in their B School offerings and consider the Beverly Hillbillys as fine arts. In other words a conference where academics are a legitimate point of pride, not a side show.

The only people upset about us going to the PAC12 where Baylor who may have been the worst fit for the PAC of any school in the country.

Maryland has a long history in the ACC but the ACC is far less than a model of stability. It isn't likely that Maryland would have been left out in the cold but there were also no guarantees had they stayed in the ACC should other conferences come raiding in the future.

Instead they go into a league that is very stable and appears to have solid and large revenue streams for the foreseeable future. Is Maryland likely to be competitive in the B1G, not likely if you want football championships but they haven't been a powerhouse in the ACC either.

In BB Maryland is likely to be more competitive in the B1G and still be able to do it in a league that gets a lot (maybe to much) respect nationally.
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How is the ACC less of a model of stability than the Big 12? I'd say the ACC is more stable at this point, it's adding relevant schools, the Big 12 has lost prominent members(and added less prominent ones). I prefer the old ACC, but that's neither here nor there.

Doubt MD will be competitive in football, but they can compete here and there.
 
cubuffs85 said:
How is the ACC less of a model of stability than the Big 12? I'd say the ACC is more stable at this point, it's adding relevant schools, the Big 12 has lost prominent members(and added less prominent ones). I prefer the old ACC, but that's neither here nor there.

Doubt MD will be competitive in football, but they can compete here and there.
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B12 does have some stability issues, lost significant members and leagues including Texas haven't ended well. Despite that I would say the the future of the B12 is more stable than the ACC. Having Texas and OU with their huge support gives an advantage that the ACC doesn't have even with Clemson and FSU.

I didn't however mention the B12 as being more stable, I mentioned the B1G which hasn't lost anyone, has solid and large media revenues, a web of traditional rivalries, and a core the is tied together both goegraphically and culturally.
 
MtnBuff said:
B12 does have some stability issues, lost significant members and leagues including Texas haven't ended well. Despite that I would say the the future of the B12 is more stable than the ACC. Having Texas and OU with their huge support gives an advantage that the ACC doesn't have even with Clemson and FSU.

I didn't however mention the B12 as being more stable, I mentioned the B1G which hasn't lost anyone, has solid and large media revenues, a web of traditional rivalries, and a core the is tied together both goegraphically and culturally.
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I thought you were implying that with CU to MD comparison.

Clemson and FSU I think are staying in the ACC at this point. Ask West Virginia how the Big 12 is going and for them it was the right move. Big 12 almost fell apart not too long ago.

You might be right on the Big 12 being more stable, but I think the ACC is OK going forward. I'm sure Cville is probably even more confident than I am on this one.
 
ACC is locked in. No one is going anywhere post-Maryland, Swofford has made it extremely difficult for anyone to go anywhere. I've never really felt that the ACC is endangered the way the Big East was, but now more than ever, he did what he needed to do.
 
CVilleBuff said:
ACC is locked in. No one is going anywhere post-Maryland.
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Unless UNC decides that the SEC or B1G is really a better deal for them after all. Just like Texas will do what it wants regarding the Big 12.
 
Buffnik said:
Unless UNC decides that the SEC or B1G is really a better deal for them after all. Just like Texas will do what it wants regarding the Big 12.
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Won't happen. UNC was one of the ones leading the charge in settling everyone down post-Maryland. If anyone bolts, it would be FSU, but this year has made the Nole brigade a lot more comfortable.
 
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Another thing about the ACC:

There's a real feeling of excitement surrounding the deal they have with Notre Dame. We may look at it differently, but they really view it as a major victory for themselves. Don't underestimate just how happy that made everyone.
 
CVilleBuff said:
Won't happen. UNC was one of the ones leading the charge in settling everyone down post-Maryland. If anyone bolts, it would be FSU, but this year has made the Nole brigade a lot more comfortable.
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Would've been fun to see what would've happened to Duke if the ACC dissolved, Wake would even have less certainty.
 
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