Success? If the last two years has taught us anything, anyone can win in the SEC. I suspect we'd be playing for an SEC championship this year or next if we'd gone there instead of the Pac.
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USC's HC Plans (Sark to USC)
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Success? If the last two years has taught us anything, anyone can win in the SEC. I suspect we'd be playing for an SEC championship this year or next if we'd gone there instead of the Pac.
White_Rabbit
Well-Known Member
Not a great hire, but not bad either imo. I don't get all this stuff about Sark being a bad coach. He took a god awful UW team to a 7 win team pretty quickly, he just had trouble beating Stanford/Oregon and seemed to always lose 1-2 P12 games a year he shouldn't have. I hope in 5 years we're talking about how disappointed we are in Mac because we've won only 7 games a year for the last 4 years.
TDbuff
Club Member
Yeah, I see Sark as having a high floor, the question is if what he did at Washington was his ceiling. At USC he'll have the talent he needs, but is he a coach that always lays an egg or two that keeps them from approaching a real title chance.
Ozbuff
Member
Sark seems like Barnett. Both are (were) solid coaches that almost guaranteed good seasons, but you could also almost guarantee at least two or three losses. As good as he was, I never felt that Barnett would return CU to "dominance" as he promised. Then again, Sark will have a ton of talent at SC. Will be interesting.
The thing with Sark that's so appealing to USC is that he's got the recruiting and offensive chops with a great connection to recent USC glory days... but while he fits in the USC culture so well he's also an extremely likeable guy. Pretty much the opposite personality as Lane in terms of how he treats people.
I can totally see this working.
On the other hand, I also just described why Rick Neuheisel was considered a good hire at UCLA.
I can totally see this working.
On the other hand, I also just described why Rick Neuheisel was considered a good hire at UCLA.
Chuck_Schick
Well-Known Member
Here is what I know about Sark from a friend who's son plays on the D-Line at UW.
1. He has a major drinking problem.
2. He has regular melt downs in practice. Multiple times he has walked off the practice field, jumped in his car, and drove home, leaving the assistants to finish practice and whatever post practice work needed to take place.
3. Has "his guys" on the team, and doesn't even talk to the other players, or call them by their name.
There is a pretty big group of parents who drew a line in the sand this year. "If he's not gone by the end of the season, we're transferring".
He needed 10 wins to keep his job this year, and got extremely lucky with the USC sitch.
1. He has a major drinking problem.
2. He has regular melt downs in practice. Multiple times he has walked off the practice field, jumped in his car, and drove home, leaving the assistants to finish practice and whatever post practice work needed to take place.
3. Has "his guys" on the team, and doesn't even talk to the other players, or call them by their name.
There is a pretty big group of parents who drew a line in the sand this year. "If he's not gone by the end of the season, we're transferring".
He needed 10 wins to keep his job this year, and got extremely lucky with the USC sitch.
What is his drink of choice? Would it be bad form to send a bottle to him every now and again? You know, as a pick me up.
This dubious line forced me to discount the rest of your statement.
I see it as more incorrect or perhaps, a malapropism. Therefore, I have unread your post.
I will chip in.
USC has a problem. With Petey, they were world beaters. They had guys playing on their scout team that would be starters for 90% of D-1 schools. With every coach they hire since then, they are trying to re-create that magic. They had the bar of expectations set so high, that reaching it will be close to impossible. Another thing to consider is the fact that while Petey was at USC, the rest of the conference was entirely average. Cal was probably the next best team. Stanford didn't get really good until just a few years ago. Oregon is very much the same way. Now, the rest of the conference is a lot better, and they have to play nine conference games instead of 8. None of this bodes well for any incoming coach.
Sark will probably do OK. They're USC, afterall. They have advantages we can only dream of having. Still, I think he'll be the victim of Petey's success to a certain degree. A string of 8-4 seasons will get him fired.
Sark will probably do OK. They're USC, afterall. They have advantages we can only dream of having. Still, I think he'll be the victim of Petey's success to a certain degree. A string of 8-4 seasons will get him fired.
Pac-12 is better now than it was during Pete's run at USC. I don't think it would have mattered, though. When the NFL is drafting a college team's mop up duty back-up QB, the talent is simply overwhelming. No one's got talent like that.
Quick point of clarification - the Pac always played 9 conference games. Biggest change is the addition of the championship game, which would have added an extra tough game against a ranked team for USC in those Petey years. Thinking back, it may have actually put him in an extra national title game or two with the extra quality win and national spotlight game at the end.
Quick point of clarification - the Pac always played 9 conference games. Biggest change is the addition of the championship game, which would have added an extra tough game against a ranked team for USC in those Petey years. Thinking back, it may have actually put him in an extra national title game or two with the extra quality win and national spotlight game at the end.
I think Sark's seat was getting a little warm in Seattle, just like Rick's was in Boulder 2 decades ago. Good move for him to bail. I think he'll have USC getting 8-10 wins every year, but I don't see him as a national championship level coach. I was really underwhelmed with the Huskies' performance this year. It was a tough schedule, but he went 0-4 against the premier teams in the league, despite having a roster of blue chip recruits, an experienced QB, a stable staff, and an established system in year 5 under his guidance. Honestly, Graham and Mora showed me more in year 2 at their respective schools.
Hard to argue against this. You're right. Both Graham and Mora had similar talent and did more with it.
As I think more about the hire of Sark the more it seems like USC got desperate and paniced.
They flew out to Denver and intereviewed Del Rio, he decided to stay in the pros.
The targeted Sumlin certain he would jump, he didn't.
The went after Peterson and he decided to stay at Boise.
Hayden had not expected one of them to turn him down much less three and didn't want the process to drag on with more rejections. He got word Sark might be interested, reached out, got a positive response and jumped.
Now to see how it works out.
They flew out to Denver and intereviewed Del Rio, he decided to stay in the pros.
The targeted Sumlin certain he would jump, he didn't.
The went after Peterson and he decided to stay at Boise.
Hayden had not expected one of them to turn him down much less three and didn't want the process to drag on with more rejections. He got word Sark might be interested, reached out, got a positive response and jumped.
Now to see how it works out.
Chuck_Schick
Well-Known Member
Discount all you want J.R. The fact is, UW wasn't happy with him and he just landed his dream job.
TDbuff
Club Member
The meltdowns and leaving practice thing has been reported by the media. Not sure how many times it's happened but the media seemed to gloss over it, which was weird.
EDIT: Found at least one of the reports:
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/uwsports/2013/08/14/furiouse-sarkisian-ends-practice-early/[/QUOTE]
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boydbuff
Club Member
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Based on that story I am not sure I honestly blame him for that. It is inexcusable to hit a starting QB in practice like that, especially at the knees. I remember reading on here from someone who attended one of our closed practices that one of our DBs hit PRich late after already going into the end zone and I cringed.
BlackNGold
Club Member
I think the Sark hire at USC was fairly average. He is a good recruiter and questionable at getting his team ready at times (like losing to WSU last year). Although Pete Carroll was a questionable hire when they got him.
The UW job will be very attractive - they will pay a top dollar and they have talent so it is not a turn around situation. Probably one of the top 25 jobs in the country.
The UW job will be very attractive - they will pay a top dollar and they have talent so it is not a turn around situation. Probably one of the top 25 jobs in the country.
I think Washington is the 2nd best job in the Pac-12.
My top 5:
1. USC
2. Washington
3. UCLA
4. Oregon
5. Arizona State
They've got history, great fan support, and a brand new stadium/facilities. Extremely dangerous program. And that's not even mentioning the talent that Sark has stockpiled there over the last few years.
cardinalbuf7
Member
Awful move by USC. Orgeron was their next legendary coach. He proved it. Ridiculous, superficial decision on par with CU's hire of water bottle. I'd be embarrassed to be a USC grad today. Sark is a 39 year-old teenager. Orgeron is a guy who could actually get the job done in Boulder. Dude lives in a hotel and hasn't seen his wife in six months.
Orgeron was also really good in Sling Blade. You'd think that his movie star status would have made him a popular choice in L.A.
Maybe the failure of Daniel Tosh soured USC on that approach, though.
For the record, I'd be embarrassed to be a USC grad on any day.
Have you ever met one of those douches?
NYbuffDIEHARD
Active Member
Word in seattle is they are offering to double Mora's salary to get him to come home. He had a horrible experience in Seattle with the Seahawks, i would think this time around in his "Dream job" things would go much more smoothly.
Opinions are all over the map up here on Sark, in my experience and I moved here in 2009 before his first season he never really sold himself as bleeding Husky purple, I have attended at least 4 home games every season Sark has been here including his upset of then #2 USC lead by now Seattle city hero Pete Carroll on a soggy Seattle saturday a few years back. He says all the right things but he never seemed to believe what even he was saying.
I think Udub will end up better off for his departure. This article is GREAT read on Sark's tenure and I tend to agree he has underachieved even with coming from 0-12.
http://seattletimes.com/html/budwithers/2022382058_withers03xml.html
Opinions are all over the map up here on Sark, in my experience and I moved here in 2009 before his first season he never really sold himself as bleeding Husky purple, I have attended at least 4 home games every season Sark has been here including his upset of then #2 USC lead by now Seattle city hero Pete Carroll on a soggy Seattle saturday a few years back. He says all the right things but he never seemed to believe what even he was saying.
I think Udub will end up better off for his departure. This article is GREAT read on Sark's tenure and I tend to agree he has underachieved even with coming from 0-12.
http://seattletimes.com/html/budwithers/2022382058_withers03xml.html
BlackNGold
Club Member
I would not put UCLA that high. It is in a prime recruiting area but tends not to have the support for Football that other programs have.