EddieCrowder
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The ability to shine G. Solich's shoes can't hurt, or take out his trash, mow his lawn, etc. etc.
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What does the next AD have to do to be successful?
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The Ogre
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If your narrow focus only includes football and basketball, hey, whatever. Baseball, wrestling, and track are sports that are popular in Colorado high schools and could stir interest in CU athletics in general, which in turn might well produce more butts in the seats for the bigger spectator sports. Either way, just having the sports we do now is a bit of an embarrassment next to most Pac12 schools.
:wtf:CU already has track & field. Completely understand that Potts is an embarrassment (I ran on better tracks in HS) but we do have a T&F team. I think either CU will bring back men's tennis or add men's lacrosse and/or soccer before ever adding baseball.
1. As it was said earlier, baseball is declining in popularity. If you want to talk about sports with growing popularity in Colorado then look at men's lacrosse
2. Baseball has large start up costs. Where are they going to play? Where are they going to practice?
3. Let's get the sport that drives the bus on the right track before we talk about adding sports
All of the above along with having the balls to stand up to the likes of Destiff & Benson. Bike racks at tailgating locations is a very, very bad idea.
First, I don't think there is a chance in hell that baseball is added anytime soon. Second, I agree that lacrosse is gaining in popularity. Third, I understand that adding lacrosse is probably much more feasible than adding baseball. Fourth, I'll concede that baseball might be declining in popularity.
Fifth, nobody in their right mind could possibly think that lacrosse could ever come close and kiss the dirt of baseball's popularity. Baseball is infinitely more popular than lacrosse, so don't pretend like they are interchangeable sports popularity-wise, as they are in completely different ballparks.
That is true, lacrosse will never be at the same level as baseball (overall, I'd say college baseball isn't very popular) but lacrosse has a lower start up cost, lower running costs, etc. than baseball which means it will lose less money.
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On the high school and college levels, they're not far apart. A lot depends on what part of the country you're in. For instance, in New Jersey baseball is very popular on the MLB level but lacrosse is at least on par in high school and college lacrosse is a lot more popular.
seattlebuff
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It must be incredibly difficult to fundraise at CU, given the relative apathy of Boulder residents and alumni to traditional sports. I've always said if CU was 30 minutes further from Denver, we'd draw 15,000 fans at best for football games. If we were the proximity of say, WSU or OSU or even UA from their respective metro areas, we'd be a lower tier Mountain West team in terms of fan support. Even when I went to CU in the early 90s, at the absolute peak of Buff football, its not like the town or campus on fire with football fever like you see at every middling SEC and Big 10 team even in their worst years. The majority of Boulder hippies don't care, and then they graduate and care even less when we need them to donate. I was at the WSU game last year, and there were maybe 40 CU fans in the entire stadium, at a game that we all knew was likely our only chance for a win (yes, I acknowledge that Pullman ain't easy to get to). But even the UW game the previous year was pretty lean on CU folks and Seattle has lots of Colorado ex-pats. Sure, there's a very vocal fan base of a few thousand Buff fans, but nowhere near the size it takes to compete with schools that truly care in large numbers.
The Ogre
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Yeah CU has track and field, but the team is hardly given any attention from the school. And baseball v lacrosse is worthy of debate. I'm sick of the small-time mentality that has led us to where we are, both from the administration and from fans. No, the new AD can't be expected to turn things into Stanford, Cal, UCLA, USC, Washington, or even ASU overnight, but holy crap, we're not talking about Metro State, folks. So you throw out men's tennis? Puke.
The new AD needs to be able to be able to do more than one thing at a time - improve the programs we already have, and seriously pursue new sports, whatever they are, while bringing CU athletics back to respectability in everyone's eyes. Any candidate who can't manage such a undertaking, he should maybe just stay in his mom's basement posting on the interwebs all day.
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It was more like 300-400. But your point stands.
Winning tends to bring out more fans.
I still think its ironic that given the state of our AD, we have one of the strongest CLUB sports programs in the nation that consistently has programs ranked at the top in the country. It probably says something about the participatory nature of the culture in Colorado and how active the student base is.
And if my brother had a vagina he'd be my sister (other than the fact that we wouldn't see a 70% decrease in attendance for being a half hour further)
Id try and get video dirt of BB and PD cheating on their wives and use it against them.
Lacrosse would be a great next men's sport to add because like you said, it would be much cheaper to start up than baseball mainly because they wouldn't have to build a new venue. And while it has been a sport that has predominantly existed only in the Northeast and mid-Atlantic region, the popularity is growing with the recent success of DU and their trip to the Final Four last weekend will help exposure out West particularly in Colorado.
pcbuff
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I guess I see this differently
I want to see my revenue stream maximized before I start to add more expense. If I add a non revenue sport, it just complicates my administration of staffing, scholarships, title IX, etc... Right now the AD needs to do two things as relates sports. 1.) Keep Tad Happy, and the B Ball side making money. 2.) Make sure football starts to win and is a positive fan experience start to finish. (This is complicated).
The third part of his or her job is related to number 2. It is to make sure the facilities are such that football can win and is a positive fan experience from start to finish. Until those things take place, I don't want to hear about money going to stuff not related to numbers 1 & 2.
Finally, as a baseball coach I see lacrosse passing by baseball in popularity. Of course I am just seeing this through my own local myopic vision. I know that coaches in Denver say the same whenever they come out. Base ball is having a hard time getting teams to youth tournaments. Lacrosse is literally having to turn teams away because of too much interest.
I want to see my revenue stream maximized before I start to add more expense. If I add a non revenue sport, it just complicates my administration of staffing, scholarships, title IX, etc... Right now the AD needs to do two things as relates sports. 1.) Keep Tad Happy, and the B Ball side making money. 2.) Make sure football starts to win and is a positive fan experience start to finish. (This is complicated).
The third part of his or her job is related to number 2. It is to make sure the facilities are such that football can win and is a positive fan experience from start to finish. Until those things take place, I don't want to hear about money going to stuff not related to numbers 1 & 2.
Finally, as a baseball coach I see lacrosse passing by baseball in popularity. Of course I am just seeing this through my own local myopic vision. I know that coaches in Denver say the same whenever they come out. Base ball is having a hard time getting teams to youth tournaments. Lacrosse is literally having to turn teams away because of too much interest.
DexBuffsteen
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The next AD has to get the IPF built and get Football back on track.
BlackNGold
Club Member
Adding sports or building facilities is not what makes you successful - those will be outcomes of success.
The new AD has to be someone who can lead. They have to be able to lay out a vision and then get people to buy into that vision. Once his has successfully sold the vision, he will be able to garner support for the vision including financial support.
The new AD has to establish a CU Brand again - that has been lost in recent years. The new AD will have to be able to connect with Corporate Leaders both nationally and locally. Corporate sponsors are badly needed at CU.
The new AD has to be someone who can lead. They have to be able to lay out a vision and then get people to buy into that vision. Once his has successfully sold the vision, he will be able to garner support for the vision including financial support.
The new AD has to establish a CU Brand again - that has been lost in recent years. The new AD will have to be able to connect with Corporate Leaders both nationally and locally. Corporate sponsors are badly needed at CU.
cubuffs85
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Doubt men's lacrosse will get more attendance and/or revenue than baseball. Soccer is also growing like it supposedly has been for the past 30 years, why not add that?
cubuffs85
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Being from Maryland, lax is as popular here as any part of the country. Let me know when Major League Lacrosse has real TV contract, players are making big dollars, etc. Baseball's demise is greatly exaggerated. When a team can go for $2 billion I find it hard to say it's "struggling."
cubuffs85
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A very odd correlation after all
SINKRATZ
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There's a big difference between popularity on the professional level, and popularity on the HS/College level. The latter is what CU should care about, not how much pro players are making.
cubuffs85
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You're more talking about participation, sort of the justification for soccer being so "popular" because everyone plays it.
SINKRATZ
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Semantics. If everyone plays youth soccer then yes I would consider youth soccer to be popular. Just as if high school and college athletes prefer lacrosse to baseball then I would consider it more popular. Not sure what the point of your post was?
I read this comment by Coach Mac in today's DP. A little worrisome to me. I hope it's not Ceal Berry
"So when the new guy or the new woman that comes in, I'll need to build a relationship with and everything takes time to build relationships."
"So when the new guy or the new woman that comes in, I'll need to build a relationship with and everything takes time to build relationships."
I read this comment by Coach Mac in today's DP. A little worrisome to me. I hope it's not Ceal Berry
"So when the new guy or the new woman that comes in, I'll need to build a relationship with and everything takes time to build relationships."
He's just covering his bases. I wouldn't read anything into it. They could still hire a woman other than Ceal Barry, too.
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CUFan
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Definitely do not need to read that much into this comment. However, I wouldn't put it past DiStephano to fire Bohn and hire Ceal. It is so damn scary having someone like DiStephano in charge of hiring the new AD.I read this comment by Coach Mac in today's DP. A little worrisome to me. I hope it's not Ceal Berry
"So when the new guy or the new woman that comes in, I'll need to build a relationship with and everything takes time to build relationships."
cubuffs85
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What's your point -- do you think more people are going to go to lacrosse than baseball games? Hows Major League Lacrosse doing compared to Major League Baseball. Participation doesn't mean it's going to lead to more revenue. A college baseball team is more likely to have a surplus than a college lacrosse team. It just means more people are playing it. Youth soccer "popularity" hasn't lead to an outbreak of MLS success. That league has been doing on for 20 years right now, gets little interest compared to the major sports.