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what effect did the hawkins disaster have on CU fans?
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Idot Buff
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Tyler? Make it Southlake and DFW Buff is your man....
I can't eat and orange slices. It is juice only for me.
CenturyBuff
Member
The same effect a baby has on a diaper, only the baby whines and cries less.
I saw red flags with Hawkins from announcement day: his staff all stayed at Boise and he never had a top 25 recruiting class....
Why did CU get rid of Barnett again???... could all of this have been avoided if he would have stayed? Barnett had a wisecrack about a female punter and some money slush fund on the side, right??? wasnt he like a 3 time B12 coach of the year? must be more baggage as he has not resurfaced anywhere.
Why did CU get rid of Barnett again???... could all of this have been avoided if he would have stayed? Barnett had a wisecrack about a female punter and some money slush fund on the side, right??? wasnt he like a 3 time B12 coach of the year? must be more baggage as he has not resurfaced anywhere.
Barnett started the string of embarrassing blowouts... 70 - 3
Ya, pre scandal. Barnett post scandal <<< Barnett Pre Scandal.
as a NU fan the same could have been said about Solich.... makes one ponder what both schools would look like today, just sayin.
Hawkins actually had a top 15 class.
buffsyko
Club Member
Dan hawkins created a losing culture.
Losing to csu on saturday killed any momentum cu had going into this season even though hopes weren't great.
It seems like we wait for cu to screw it up or get blown out these days.
We used to post on how much we'd win by, now it's the other way around. It sucks.
Losing to csu on saturday killed any momentum cu had going into this season even though hopes weren't great.
It seems like we wait for cu to screw it up or get blown out these days.
We used to post on how much we'd win by, now it's the other way around. It sucks.
True - but most of those players never ended up playing much for us.
buffsyko
Club Member
Doesn't change the fact that he did. If anything it proved how inept he was with how he handled many of those guys.
Barnett had a good run, but he had to go. Recruiting had slipped, and he couldn't be effective with the tarnish.
I sometimes wonder what would have happened had Barnett been available to take over as HC in 94 after McCartney retired. Personally, I think we would have continued to be very good.
Prior to CU he had a top 15? I sure dont remember it that way.
CVilleBuff
Well-Known Member
I agree with that.
I would hope after this season the affect of Hawkins's afterbirth will have little impact on the state of the program.
You just said he never had a top 25 class. Anyway, even Chris Peterson struggles to get top 25 classes. Mid major coaches typically aren't hired by bigger schools based on recruiting rankings.
the lame duck year will be affecting us for another 2 years due to the 1.5 ruined classes, and the after effects of that... hopefully they don't have an impact.
Shouldn't. Anyone who was here for HaLkins will then be in his 3rd year under Embree. We'll still have a small senior class, but that excuse will nevertheless need to be put to bed.
Oh ok.
JWP303
Well-Known Member
Hawkins set out to change the culture of the program and he did exactly that. In the end he was a fraud and a laughing stock, and in the end that's the negative brand reinforcement that the Buffs were associated with for five long years. So that's image that we're recruiting against.
As if his ridiculous coaching/recruiting decisions weren't bad enough for the first four years - the inexplicable 5th year was a clear message from the administrators that academics will always come before athletics and that winning doesn't matter at the end of the day. Our facilities are outdated and subpar. Nothing about our program says commitment to excellence, or stability, or any of the other traits a potential top-flight coaching candidate might value.
So, I guess what I'm saying is that Embree truly did inherit a program that was not only burned to the ground from mismanagement by Hawkins, but also neutered by an administration that only partially supports athletics. No one could succeed under these conditions - let alone an inexperienced Embree who has never been a HC.
I don't know where we turn next, or what pulls us out of this death spiral. But I don't think any Les Miles or Gary Kubiaks are walking through that door, so we may as well give Embree his full 4-5 years to figure it out.
The one glimmer of hope this coaching staff gives me is an ability to connect with recruits based on all of their experience playing and coaching. Give them a chance to go find a diamond-in-the-rough-program-saving-heisman candidate.
As if his ridiculous coaching/recruiting decisions weren't bad enough for the first four years - the inexplicable 5th year was a clear message from the administrators that academics will always come before athletics and that winning doesn't matter at the end of the day. Our facilities are outdated and subpar. Nothing about our program says commitment to excellence, or stability, or any of the other traits a potential top-flight coaching candidate might value.
So, I guess what I'm saying is that Embree truly did inherit a program that was not only burned to the ground from mismanagement by Hawkins, but also neutered by an administration that only partially supports athletics. No one could succeed under these conditions - let alone an inexperienced Embree who has never been a HC.
I don't know where we turn next, or what pulls us out of this death spiral. But I don't think any Les Miles or Gary Kubiaks are walking through that door, so we may as well give Embree his full 4-5 years to figure it out.
The one glimmer of hope this coaching staff gives me is an ability to connect with recruits based on all of their experience playing and coaching. Give them a chance to go find a diamond-in-the-rough-program-saving-heisman candidate.
Haven't read any of the thread beyond this. This is the correct response.
NashBuff
CSU Knob-Slobberer
I wonder if we are putting the blame too much on Dan Hawkins and not enough on the admin? Hawkins helped get BSU's IPF built and kept BSU's winning momentum going and it continues today sans the recent loss at Michigan State. DiSteph said in a regent meeting that nothing has been done to the general seating bowl at Folsom Field since 1979 which was the year I was born. That means we have had the same bleachers for just over 33 years now.
I argued for Leach to be hired because CU is less likely to be forced to brave the elements that we would find in places such as Ames, Lincoln, Lawerence, Manhattan, Columbia, those places that get cold and windy in November. Now we have games on the west coast plus if we are going to be playing November games in Los Angeles, Tempe, and Tucson, what's the point of having an offense like we have had for many years in the Big 12? I think the admin and everyone has failed to realize that things are different in the Pac-12 than the Big 12. The Pac-12 is clearly a faster playing conference than the Big 12 and it appears to me that we still are a Big 12 team when we need to be a Pac-12 team.
Remember Bill McCartney originally had CU as a pass heavy offense until he adjusted to the Big 8 and went to the wishbone and he was successful as a result? Is that something that will eventually have to be done at a point in the future? Is that what Embree was trying to do this season? It appears to me that CU hasn't been able to transition from more of a run first offense to a more pass heavy offense under Barnett, then Hawkins, and perhaps under Embree? Did we miss the train on that one? I think that is what happened in this case. I think the changing of the game of football from it's running game roots to today's spread offenses & air it out offenses is here to stay and CU just needs to get with the times. It might be the only way to save Embree's career at CU.
I argued for Leach to be hired because CU is less likely to be forced to brave the elements that we would find in places such as Ames, Lincoln, Lawerence, Manhattan, Columbia, those places that get cold and windy in November. Now we have games on the west coast plus if we are going to be playing November games in Los Angeles, Tempe, and Tucson, what's the point of having an offense like we have had for many years in the Big 12? I think the admin and everyone has failed to realize that things are different in the Pac-12 than the Big 12. The Pac-12 is clearly a faster playing conference than the Big 12 and it appears to me that we still are a Big 12 team when we need to be a Pac-12 team.
Remember Bill McCartney originally had CU as a pass heavy offense until he adjusted to the Big 8 and went to the wishbone and he was successful as a result? Is that something that will eventually have to be done at a point in the future? Is that what Embree was trying to do this season? It appears to me that CU hasn't been able to transition from more of a run first offense to a more pass heavy offense under Barnett, then Hawkins, and perhaps under Embree? Did we miss the train on that one? I think that is what happened in this case. I think the changing of the game of football from it's running game roots to today's spread offenses & air it out offenses is here to stay and CU just needs to get with the times. It might be the only way to save Embree's career at CU.
Nash, are you seriously trying to give Dan Hawkins credit for any of Boise's recent success? Really?
While the PAC-12 may be a faster conference the Big 12, the fact is we were not fast enough to compete in either conference over the past several years. It should have been emphasized way before the move to the PAC-12.
While the PAC-12 may be a faster conference the Big 12, the fact is we were not fast enough to compete in either conference over the past several years. It should have been emphasized way before the move to the PAC-12.
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