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What to expect from Davis Webb (NOTHING - Cal Bound)

Jeric said:
Think you watched this video by mistake:
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Christ I still get sick when I watch it. Sefo being Sefo and Ross dropping everything in sight. Kelley snapping every ball on the ground. It can't get any worse than this can it? We were close in a lot of games. If we can just eliminate these redundant stupid mistakes, we should be bowl eligible. Lots of reasons to think we make a big jump this year.
 
bigskybuff said:
Christ I still get sick when I watch it. Sefo being Sefo and Ross dropping everything in sight. Kelley snapping every ball on the ground. It can't get any worse than this can it? We were close in a lot of games. If we can just eliminate these redundant stupid mistakes, we should be bowl eligible. Lots of reasons to think we make a big jump this year.
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man that is hard to watch....
 
After watching the clips he reminds me a lot of Phillip Rivers when he was at NC State. Same kind of low release but really accurate and with zip on the ball. Excited to see him suit up this Fall.
 
DBT said:
I thought I'd gone through a time warp and missed 2016.
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Yes! TWO redshirt years! That's awesome. Especially if he can actually play both years. I think we are on to something. Redshirt guys and play them anyway. It just might work.
 
Will CU have a TE like that #22 for Texas Tech? He went on to the NFL.
 
Davis Web seems like a standup guy and I'm glad we have him, but the notion of him helping our offense is premised on the belief that our issue is qb play.

Texas tech has had the 36th best recruiting class in the country over the past five years. CU is in the 80s. The question will be: how does web help given a weaker supporting cast.

With some minor issues aside (reads and throws to left) I've thought Sefo did about as good as could be done, given what he had. Our best chance of success is if Sefo returns healthy.
 
8Jah said:
Davis Web seems like a standup guy and I'm glad we have him, but the notion of him helping our offense is premised on the belief that our issue is qb play.

Texas tech has had the 36th best recruiting class in the country over the past five years. CU is in the 80s. The question will be: how does web help given a weaker supporting cast.

With some minor issues aside (reads and throws to left) I've thought Sefo did about as good as could be done, given what he had. Our best chance of success is if Sefo returns healthy.
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I hope he does and he comes out and competes. Although my money is on Webb regardless and I highly disagree that our best chance for success this season rests on Sefo. Better OL play and better DL/LB play are tops followed by a QB that at least makes the defense believe there is a threat of a passing game.

While Sefo showed early signs of promise, last year was a big step backwards for him. I am not sure if you attend games in person but if you do you cannot miss the fact that he does not read the field well at all and also seemed to regress throwing the ball even before his injuries. It is true that the supporting cast let him down at times but even when they did their part Sefo hung onto the ball too long, did not throw catchable passes, and failed to locate receivers when they were open.
 
RalphieSpeaks said:
I hope he does and he comes out and competes. Although my money is on Webb regardless and I highly disagree that our best chance for success this season rests on Sefo. Better OL play and better DL/LB play are tops followed by a QB that at least makes the defense believe there is a threat of a passing game.

While Sefo showed early signs of promise, last year was a big step backwards for him. I am not sure if you attend games in person but if you do you cannot miss the fact that he does not read the field well at all and also seemed to regress throwing the ball even before his injuries. It is true that the supporting cast let him down at times but even when they did their part Sefo hung onto the ball too long, did not throw catchable passes, and failed to locate receivers when they were open.
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I was a huge Sefo fan at the end of his Sophomore year. This pretty well sums up my thoughts on his Junior year.
 
8Jah said:
Davis Web seems like a standup guy and I'm glad we have him, but the notion of him helping our offense is premised on the belief that our issue is qb play.

Texas tech has had the 36th best recruiting class in the country over the past five years. CU is in the 80s. The question will be: how does web help given a weaker supporting cast.

With some minor issues aside (reads and throws to left) I've thought Sefo did about as good as could be done, given what he had. Our best chance of success is if Sefo returns healthy.
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This might be true if Sefo was less mistake prone, but many of his shortcomings are solely on his decision making ability (I attribute some of this to coaching as well), or lack thereof. I feel like Sefo is/was to the Buffs what Jay Cutler was to the Broncos or Bears. Showed the talent and put up stats at times, but ultimately threw too many INTs that killed the team in crucial situations.
 
I am a huge fan of Sefo but last year he looked to me like a QB who was suffering from shell shock. He had been hit so hard and so often that it changed how he played.

Sefo looked like a guy in the passing game who expected to be hit, he anticipated pressure even when it wasn't there, he hurried throws that didn't need to be hurried or pulled the ball down and moved when he didn't need to, sometimes moving into pressure.

We will never know but I thought that given time to develop and a solid OL Sefo could have been a much better QB for us.

Webb has not been forced to develop those kind of thought patterns, he can take the time to make the extra read or wait for a pattern to develop.

Importantly having Webb means there is a much smaller chance that Montez gets thrown into the fire earlier than he is ready to repeat the same issues that are noted above for Sefo.
 
If "clutch" is a gene, Sefo does not have it.

If Webb plays equally as good as Sefo, but has that particular gene, we win 3-4 more games this year than last.
 
Not only does Sefo not have the clutch gene, he appears to have the polar opposite - the gene that makes him implode at the exact wrong moment.
 
8Jah said:
Davis Web seems like a standup guy and I'm glad we have him, but the notion of him helping our offense is premised on the belief that our issue is qb play.

Texas tech has had the 36th best recruiting class in the country over the past five years. CU is in the 80s. The question will be: how does web help given a weaker supporting cast.

With some minor issues aside (reads and throws to left) I've thought Sefo did about as good as could be done, given what he had. Our best chance of success is if Sefo returns healthy.
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Need better OL play, but like others have written, we need a QB with the clutch gene, not the "find a creative new way to lose this game" gene. If we had a clutch QB last year, we win 1-3 more games.
 
8Jah said:
Davis Web seems like a standup guy and I'm glad we have him, but the notion of him helping our offense is premised on the belief that our issue is qb play.

Texas tech has had the 36th best recruiting class in the country over the past five years. CU is in the 80s. The question will be: how does web help given a weaker supporting cast.

With some minor issues aside (reads and throws to left) I've thought Sefo did about as good as could be done, given what he had. Our best chance of success is if Sefo returns healthy.
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Actually, QB play was a huge part of our offensive offense. Sefo overthrew/wormburned several wide open receivers per game, and had numerous receptions per game that required the receiver to break stride, give up ground or jump just to make the catch. I was completely exasperated at how many flairs and WR screens went for a loss or no gain simply because of a crappy throw.

Would a better O-line have helped, absolutely, but it wouldn't have miraculously made Sefo more accurate.
 
Chickens have the clutch gene. All of them. Roosters don't.

My old Ford Escort needed a new clutch gene.
 
I wish I could blame Sefo as much as some of you do. Then I would have more hope Web would make a difference.

Unfortunately I think the problems were Oline and Lindgren. Mostly Lingren. It was coach who pushed for emphasis on run block game and QB runs. This killed both the QB and the proven pass game from a year before.
 
8Jah said:
I wish I could blame Sefo as much as some of you do. Then I would have more hope Web would make a difference.

Unfortunately I think the problems were Oline and Lindgren. Mostly Lingren. It was coach who pushed for emphasis on run block game and QB runs. This killed both the QB and the proven pass game from a year before.
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Lindgren did not make Sefo inaccurate.
 
SuperiorBuff said:
Lindgren did not make Sefo inaccurate.
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I think Lingren is responsible for sefo's year to year decline in accuracy. Kid was getting killed every game. Had someone who needed to focus on being a pocket passer act like a full-back. Kid was taking major contact running through defensive tackles.

Who else does that scheme?
 
I'd like to see every position improved, every year. Either with new talent or growth from existing players. At the very least Webb should push Sefo, but I'd be lying if I told you that outcome is okay. I expect Webb to be significantly better than Sefo.
 
I read some research a few years ago about the biology of ****ing up in high pressure situations. It appeared to actually have a physical basis: the researchers set up some test where the participants had to do something physically basic, like push a button, when they saw certain patterns appear on the screen. They set it up like a game and were monitoring the "players" brains during the game.

As long as the stakes were low, people did pretty well, like a mistake every 100 plays or something - interestingly, they could somehow "see" the mistake form in the brain prior to it actually being made, as in "oh, he's going to **** up this next one."

What made the study very interesting though was that they upped the stakes in playing the game. People's performance went down as the pressure went up. But not uniformly. Most people's performance declined as the pressure increased. A very small percentage were absolute disasters. But a very small percentage was seemingly impervious to pressure - and their performance actually improved as the stakes climbed.

But the important part was that something physical in the brain was going on - the researchers could "watch" it happen. Which led most of them to conclude that "clutch" isn't something that can be taught or learned, and you either have it, or you don't.
 
Sefo was getting beat up way before they moved to the qb power run game. That's definitely not the reason for his regression this year.
 
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