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Wyoming Game Week Thread - Saturday at some ungodly time

Here’s what I’m thinking. We need to be 70/30 run/pass with Kaidon running the show. We’re averaging 5 yards a carry and Kaidon will only improve that if Shurmer calls the offense for him. Make other teams stop us running the ball. Yeah it sucks because we have, or at least we thought we had, dudes at receiver. But they dropped a lot off catchable balls last week and we are running the ball too well to ignore it. The problem is it requires Shurmer to call the game properly, so obviously I expect multiple drives that start with three straight passes
 
Maybe I am crazy, but I think the assessment I saw of Houston was pretty poorly done. There was a lot of disrespect flying around, despite comments about how they have a good defense, great corners, an experienced QB who was an elite recruit out of high school, a tough RB with scary speed, and an elite NFL prospect Tight End.... Not to mention a pretty physical style and a coaching staff with a history of success.

We played like **** last Friday, but I don't think we lost to a bad team. We don't have an identity right now... We will lose to any team with at least somewhat average talent that does.
 
Bread said:
Here’s what I’m thinking. We need to be 70/30 run/pass with Kaidon running the show. We’re averaging 5 yards a carry and Kaidon will only improve that if Shurmer calls the offense for him. Make other teams stop us running the ball. Yeah it sucks because we have, or at least we thought we had, dudes at receiver. But they dropped a lot off catchable balls last week and we are running the ball too well to ignore it. The problem is it requires Shurmer to call the game properly, so obviously I expect multiple drives that start with three straight passes
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Georgia Tech runs the same 4-5 running plays and disguises them with 10-15 pieces of window dressing. When they throw, their receivers are wide open and usually have major YAC opportunities.

That’s what we were supposed to do. Instead the OC started re-calling the Shedeur offense. Our WR playmakers should have fewer receptions but more yards per reception/explosive plays because they should be wide open.

This is not hard.
 
manhattanbuff said:
Georgia Tech runs the same 4-5 running plays and disguises them with 10-15 pieces of window dressing. When they throw, their receivers are wide open and usually have major YAC opportunities.

That’s what we were supposed to do. Instead the OC started re-calling the Shedeur offense. Our WR playmakers should have fewer receptions but more yards per reception/explosive plays because they should be wide open.

This is not hard.
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I don't know if this is the case, but another area where NFL guys have struggled coordinating with college players is terminology. NFL players calls are very long and detailed. College plays are basic: name of play and formation. It's why you see even veteran NFL QBs with multi page printouts on their forearms. I hope that Shurmur has simplified things enough. Otherwise, it's not surprising if Salter and JuJu look like they're thinking way too much instead of playing loose.
 
Buffnik said:
I don't know if this is the case, but another area where NFL guys have struggled coordinating with college players is terminology. NFL players calls are very long and detailed. College plays are basic: name of play and formation. It's why you see even veteran NFL QBs with multi page printouts on their forearms. I hope that Shurmur has simplified things enough. Otherwise, it's not surprising if Salter and JuJu look like they're thinking way too much instead of playing loose.
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Somebody on the DNVR podcast made a great point: when you’re in a competition, you’re trying to do everything right to impress the coaches. You’re overthinking in game scenarios. We need to settle what the QB hierachy is and let KSalt be empowered instead of hindered by the playcalling.
 
manhattanbuff said:
This is not hard.
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manhattanbuff said:
Georgia Tech runs the same 4-5 running plays and disguises them with 10-15 pieces of window dressing. When they throw, their receivers are wide open and usually have major YAC opportunities.
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Exactly this.

This is what I want, and it’s stunning to me we can’t get there.

Makes me think Shurmer over-processes the offensive concepts to the point of being essentially useless in the college game.

Sure, the college game has evolved, but we won our Natty (and destroyed NUBs program) with a playbook that was effectively less than 10-15 plays.
 
If you heard Prime's response to Jizzla about CU's identity - nailed it in the Houston game thread.

Prime needs to understand that the purpose of the media is not to idolize him. Even Jizzla asks pertinent questions (sometimes).
 
BTW - is this where the old man complains about the start time?

Seriously though, this sucks. My kid comes with me to the games, and we have to be at the ballfields at 8:15 the next morning for a game. I don't see how in good conscience I could take him.
 
GoldStampede said:
Maybe I am crazy, but I think the assessment I saw of Houston was pretty poorly done. There was a lot of disrespect flying around, despite comments about how they have a good defense, great corners, an experienced QB who was an elite recruit out of high school, a tough RB with scary speed, and an elite NFL prospect Tight End.... Not to mention a pretty physical style and a coaching staff with a history of success.

We played like **** last Friday, but I don't think we lost to a bad team. We don't have an identity right now... We will lose to any team with at least somewhat average talent that does.
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There were plenty of posters talking about Houston's capabilities, specifically their coaches vs ours.
 
Buffnik said:
I don't know if this is the case, but another area where NFL guys have struggled coordinating with college players is terminology. NFL players calls are very long and detailed. College plays are basic: name of play and formation. It's why you see even veteran NFL QBs with multi page printouts on their forearms. I hope that Shurmur has simplified things enough. Otherwise, it's not surprising if Salter and JuJu look like they're thinking way too much instead of playing loose.
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I don't think simplifying is the answer we want it to be. The scheme is bad. Rudimentary and bad. Like I've said countless times now, this looks like an offense put together by someone who doesn't really know what a college offense looks like.
 
Alfred91 said:
BTW - is this where the old man complains about the start time?

Seriously though, this sucks. My kid comes with me to the games, and we have to be at the ballfields at 8:15 the next morning for a game. I don't see how in good conscience I could take him.
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I believe byu is another 8:15pm game
 
Da Lama said:
I don't think simplifying is the answer we want it to be. The scheme is bad. Rudimentary and bad. Like I've said countless times now, this looks like an offense put together by someone who doesn't really know what a college offense looks like.
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I meant simplifying terminology.

Offense design - should be a standard package for run plays: dive, power, counter, sweep, draw, reverse that can be run out of multiple formations and includes presnap motion. Then pass plays out of the same formations with the same presnap motions and showing the same first step from everyone as the defense sees from the run plays. Receivers attacking levels and zones with basic reads and progressions. I don't care whether it's veer & shoot or something else, but that's a standard offense below the NFL level.
 
Random, but Brian must absolutely hate these press conferences. It's so funny because every time he starts talking, he always has a 2 part question. And second, Prime always cuts him off and says something that indicates he thought the question was dumb. Example from yesterday, "What do you need to see from Kaidon --", "I just said it a minute ago didn't I?".
 
Although I haven’t yet gotten over how many steps back this team took against Houston, I’m optimistic that we can make some progress against Wyoming in preparation for BYU.

Playing Wyoming now is just what the doctor ordered. Because CU really needs to beat BYU at home next week to make the rest of the season interesting, and they need an opponent like Wyoming to regroup after the Houston debacle.
 
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I was “happy” to hear that Byard was apparently working through an injury for the first couple weeks which is why he wasn’t playing/starting and it wasn’t some dumb thing by prime about effort or something.
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I get wanting to build a culture of accountability, hard work and earned not given mentality, but this team isn’t talented or deep enough to be stashing the most talented players and playing former walk ons. In the limited time he’s played Oatis is clearly one of the best IDL with major disruption abilities. I really hope he’s also truly injured and not just continually in the dog house.
 
manhattanbuff said:
Georgia Tech runs the same 4-5 running plays and disguises them with 10-15 pieces of window dressing. When they throw, their receivers are wide open and usually have major YAC opportunities.

That’s what we were supposed to do. Instead the OC started re-calling the Shedeur offense. Our WR playmakers should have fewer receptions but more yards per reception/explosive plays because they should be wide open.

This is not hard.
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When TD was Denver's running back, they didn't do much different, except a toss play.
 
manhattanbuff said:
Georgia Tech runs the same 4-5 running plays and disguises them with 10-15 pieces of window dressing. When they throw, their receivers are wide open and usually have major YAC opportunities.

That’s what we were supposed to do. Instead the OC started re-calling the Shedeur offense. Our WR playmakers should have fewer receptions but more yards per reception/explosive plays because they should be wide open.

This is not hard.
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I think they have people on the staff that know deep down that this is exactly what they need to do but the decision makers (primarily Pat but allowing him Prime) just don't have the confidence and comfort with it stick with it until it works. When it doesn't work right away they want to "fix" it by going to the stuff they are more comfortable with, even if that doesn't fit the players they have.

I wish they had been willing to do it two years ago but they need to bite the bullet, decide and define who they are, then have the patience to stick with that until they build confidence in it. That doesn't happen right away, takes time and committment.
 
Price needs to be the guy going forward at RB. Maybe, but probably not, you could start getting something with a one-two punch of Salter-Price with Taylor getting 10ish designed plays a game.
 
patebuff said:
Price needs to be the guy going forward at RB. Maybe, but probably not, you could start getting something with a one-two punch of Salter-Price with Taylor getting 10ish designed plays a game.
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Taylor needs touches. He is the best offensive skill player and it’s not particularly close. O Miller could/would be but he’s hurt/inconsistent and they can’t force feed him like they can Taylor
 
Da Lama said:
HCP will still start Finnseth. Just watch. He’s his new Offerdahl and it sucks.
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I can’t tell who the best five are to start on the back end. I’m not a Finnseth fan, but he may actually be one of the best five at this moment. Yikes.
 
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