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2020 CU football season POSTPONED until Nov 6th?

Hilarious. We're 6 months into this pandemic and you want to compare the risk assessment with the risk assessment for driving--which we've been doing for a century. Thanks, Mr. Science!

I didn't make the comparison. I just commented on it. This whole thing is far more complicated with a multitude of side effects of locking down versus the effects of the virus itself. These lock downs are about trade-offs, and are the effects of locking people down better than not in the ENTIRE picture? I can tell you right now, with zero reservations, in the 18-22 year old range the answer is no.

Spoiler alert, there won't be significant long term heart effects in mild or asymptomatic cases.
 
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At what point does RG decide there are too many obstacles at CU and bolt for greener pastures?

Limiting staff budgets dictated by state regulations, academic restrictions, due to low tv network revenue - the AD and coach have to go beyond most university timeframes to fundraise (which impacts the HC's time focusing on football), fines for team hikes, city bans on university activities.

Where is the program if he were to go?
Interesting. I kind of hinted at the situation in a prior post, I can't remember if it was this thread or not. CU, as an institution, has been a foot dragging exercise for FB as far as the admin is concerned for a long time. Mac and Gee reversed that. Mac had stunning success. It seems like there has been a low-intensity battle to return CU to the state it was in before.

The admin did not want to pull the plug because of the $$$ and influence a competent Athletic Department has on the University as a whole, but has been employing a seeming long game of death by a thousand cuts. If there is a misstep, they pounce (see GB and the recruiting scandal that wasn't), and if not , the admin just continues to snipe around the edges waiting for the whole thing to tip over.

It is either the above or the admin is truly incompetent to run a University that has a functioning, competitive athletic department. So many other peer institutions seem to be able to, but CU cannot get out of their own way.
 
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Interesting. I kind of hinted at the situation in a prior post, I can't remember if it was this thread or not. CU, as an institution, has been a foot dragging exercise for FB as far as the admin is concerned for a long time. Mac and Gee reversed that. Mac had stunning success. It seems like there has been a low-intensity battle to return CU to the state it was in before.

The admin did not want to pull the plug because of the $$$ and influence a competent Athletic Department has on the University as a whole, but has been employing a seeming long game of death by a thousand cuts. If there is a misstep, they pounce (see GB and the recruiting scandal that wasn't), and if not , the admin just continues to snipe around the edges waiting for the whole thing to tip over.

It is either the above or the admin is truly incompetent to run a University that has a functioning, competitive athletic department. So many other peer institutions seem to be able to, but CU cannot get out of their own way.
The CU AD has won 14 national championships since Mac quit.
 
At what point does RG decide there are too many obstacles at CU and bolt for greener pastures?

Limiting staff budgets dictated by state regulations, academic restrictions, due to low tv network revenue - the AD and coach have to go beyond most university timeframes to fundraise (which impacts the HC's time focusing on football), fines for team hikes, city bans on university activities.

Where is the program if he were to go?
hey, thanks for the facilities RG, I hope you don't go anywhere you are negotiating contracts. Adios.
 
I didn't make the comparison. I just commented on it. This whole thing is far more complicated with a multitude of side effects of locking down versus the effects of the virus itself. These lock downs are about trade-offs, and are the effects of locking people down better than not in the ENTIRE picture? I can tell you right now, with zero reservations, in the 18-22 year old range the answer is no.

Spoiler alert, there won't be significant long term heart effects in mild or asymptomatic cases.

Pray tell me the dire consequences of the CU campus requiring students to stay home for 2 weeks? I mean other than you might not get to watch football as soon as you would like.
 
At this point, I think the Pac12 has shown to have been correct in making this thoughtful, delayed start to the season.

Think what a cluster **** it would be if we had planned to start the season about now. That means full scale practice about five weeks ago. With the fires out west, Boulder County now 'shut down' due to significant spreading, other Pac12 locations struggling to get it managed, etc, it would have been more chaotic. Now being to start daily testing with Quidel and having had time to learn and develop protocols, it should be more manageable start to season in Nov. 7(?).
 
This is good news, as it gets the area closer to herd immunity. Community spread has already happened, so as usual, progressive policies are being implemented after the horse has left the barn.

worst thing these progressive idiots can do at this point is: 1) Send kids back home; and 2) SHUT IT DOWN!!! But of course, that is exactly what they are going to do. Liberals ruin everything.

Do you understand herd immunity and community spread?

No and no.
 
Here, I'll look into the future for you. In the targeted age range of 18-22, the answer will be no, there won't be more hospitalizations.

Edit: To be clear, I'm talking about from cases before the order, as well as after, because there are effectively no hospitalizations in that age range either way.
Cases matter. The goal is to reduce them. Simple public health principle.
 
At this point, I think the Pac12 has shown to have been correct in making this thoughtful, delayed start to the season.

Think what a cluster **** it would be if we had planned to start the season about now. That means full scale practice about five weeks ago. With the fires out west, Boulder County now 'shut down' due to significant spreading, other Pac12 locations struggling to get it managed, etc, it would have been more chaotic. Now being to start daily testing with Quidel and having had time to learn and develop protocols, it should be more manageable start to season in Nov. 7(?).

I love these "Think of how hard it would have been to start now!" or "Think of how much easier its going to be to play in the spring!" takes I've been reading on here. You guys who have said that know who you are. Let's make one thing clear-COVID isn't going away come November. In fact-we all need to assume that cases will increase with the start of cold/flu season right around the corner and hope we're wrong IMO.
 
I love these "Think of how hard it would have been to start now!" or "Think of how much easier its going to be to play in the spring!" takes I've been reading on here. You guys who have said that know who you are. Let's make one thing clear-COVID isn't going away come November. In fact-we all need to assume that cases will increase with the start of cold/flu season right around the corner and hope we're wrong IMO.

I agree with you.

Yes, the problems and issues are not going away this fall, into next spring. Just saying, if we want to take risks with (other) young men's lives and the support staff, then it is significantly more manageable under this new scenario. Definitely has risks and impact.
 
Only since March of 2020 has this been a public health principle. Every other modern pandemic the metric has been deaths.

Anyhow, not looking great for CU Athletics to get an exemption.

JFC, Boulder County is going to Boulder County. Maybe the most arrogant and dirty government entity in the state.
 
I didn’t see that before. My bad. Now I am intellectually curious how this is governed given that it is from a health agency. I will say that Boulder and BoCo have a history of getting out in front of themselves with this type of stuff and claiming that they have governance when they do not. Point is, this could be valid, or it could be completely unenforceable (as has been the case in the past with directives from the city and county). But it really doesn’t matter because CU will comply anyway.

From a legal standpoint yes CU could ignore the orders from Boulder County Health and do whatever they want.

I'd love to hear the attempted defense in the civil suit if they defied the orders and a player or a coach or one of the team support staff were to get sick and either die or have permanent damage from the virus.

For any defense lawyer here how would you convince a jury that playing football was more important than protecting the health of those involved with the team when the local health department, staffed with infectious disease specialist, likely MDs and Ph.D.s and relying on the guidance of the CDC and the recognized academic experts in the field gave an order specifically to try to prevent this type of problem from occurring.
This is good news, as it gets the area closer to herd immunity. Community spread has already happened, so as usual, progressive policies are being implemented after the horse has left the barn.

The worst thing these progressive idiots can do at this point is: 1) Send kids back home; and 2) SHUT IT DOWN!!! But of course, that is exactly what they are going to do. Liberals ruin everything.

Trust me on this I am no progressive/liberal/left winger. I am also not a part of the Trump flock of idiots who while calling everyone who disagrees with dear leader sheepies act much more like a flock of dumb animals than the people they are criticizing.

The concept of solving this issue with "herd immunity" has been clearly dismissed by the people who do actual science. Give me a single one of the right wing talkers who actually has any academic credentials in terms of medical science, a lot of them don't have a bachelors degree in anything but hey they yell loud and repeat each others talking points until the cult believes them as fact.

I am highly thankful that I don't have anyone closely connected who has died of C-19 yet, unfortunately other people I know haven't been as lucky.

How many lives are you willing to sacrifice so you can pretend like everything is fine? Yes we will all go out to full restaurants and bars and let's offer a toast to those laying in a hospital on a ventilator so we can have our illusion. Let's all go to football games, a moment of silence will be fine for that coach who died and the other teams equipment manager who's mother in law got it from him and didn't make it. No big deal as long as we can cheer on the surviving member of our team.

This has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative. It has to do with science versus wishy washy thinking by those who won't accept the realities as presented by science.

No surprise because in truth the head of the cult who is encouraging it all may be a republican but he is no conservative. That's a rant for another day but could extend to book length.
 
From a legal standpoint yes CU could ignore the orders from Boulder County Health and do whatever they want.

I'd love to hear the attempted defense in the civil suit if they defied the orders and a player or a coach or one of the team support staff were to get sick and either die or have permanent damage from the virus.

For any defense lawyer here how would you convince a jury that playing football was more important than protecting the health of those involved with the team when the local health department, staffed with infectious disease specialist, likely MDs and Ph.D.s and relying on the guidance of the CDC and the recognized academic experts in the field gave an order specifically to try to prevent this type of problem from occurring.

Jon Wilner is as connected as it gets in terms of Pac 12 media people-I'll assume he's right and that RG/KD had some sort of plan if Boulder County Health came out with something like this. I'd guess moving the football program to Mines or the NAAC for a couple weeks and improvising some sort of weight program if the latter.
 
From a legal standpoint yes CU could ignore the orders from Boulder County Health and do whatever they want.

I'd love to hear the attempted defense in the civil suit if they defied the orders and a player or a coach or one of the team support staff were to get sick and either die or have permanent damage from the virus.

For any defense lawyer here how would you convince a jury that playing football was more important than protecting the health of those involved with the team when the local health department, staffed with infectious disease specialist, likely MDs and Ph.D.s and relying on the guidance of the CDC and the recognized academic experts in the field gave an order specifically to try to prevent this type of problem from occurring.


Trust me on this I am no progressive/liberal/left winger. I am also not a part of the Trump flock of idiots who while calling everyone who disagrees with dear leader sheepies act much more like a flock of dumb animals than the people they are criticizing.

The concept of solving this issue with "herd immunity" has been clearly dismissed by the people who do actual science. Give me a single one of the right wing talkers who actually has any academic credentials in terms of medical science, a lot of them don't have a bachelors degree in anything but hey they yell loud and repeat each others talking points until the cult believes them as fact.

I am highly thankful that I don't have anyone closely connected who has died of C-19 yet, unfortunately other people I know haven't been as lucky.

How many lives are you willing to sacrifice so you can pretend like everything is fine? Yes we will all go out to full restaurants and bars and let's offer a toast to those laying in a hospital on a ventilator so we can have our illusion. Let's all go to football games, a moment of silence will be fine for that coach who died and the other teams equipment manager who's mother in law got it from him and didn't make it. No big deal as long as we can cheer on the surviving member of our team.

This has nothing to do with liberal vs. conservative. It has to do with science versus wishy washy thinking by those who won't accept the realities as presented by science.

No surprise because in truth the head of the cult who is encouraging it all may be a republican but he is no conservative. That's a rant for another day but could extend to book length.
I agree, but does there not need to be a test of reasonableness? Per the above comment I made, Boulder County is incredibly arrogant (and there are stories that defy reality with some of the corrupt things they have done over the years). Now they are telling the CU AD that daily rapid testing along with a lot of other safety measures is not sufficient to allow them to practice? GMAFB, Daily rapid testing has been the goal to allow normal activity since day one. It's not like these kids won't be quarantined when they are not practicing, the stay at home order will still stand for them during that time. No, this is Boulder County seizing an opportunity to prove that it wields power, pure and simple.

So if our AD has special access to technology and resources that make it safe enough for these guys to practice in CA, OR, WA, but not CO. Is that reasonable? Or should CU tell the county to kick rocks, and rely on the fact that everyone else in the conference is doing it safely (under the same parameters), as their potential defense if there were to ever be a lawsuit like you mention
 
Only since March of 2020 has this been a public health principle. Every other modern pandemic the metric has been deaths.

Anyhow, not looking great for CU Athletics to get an exemption.

This is not smart at all. Unless something drastically changes in the next few hours, the pac 12 is moving forward on football (with the blessings of all state, county, and local health officials-except for boco). You'd think that boco would rather have the football program in county doing what they do rather than outside of the county. With what I have been involved with since covid has started, county and local health officials have these protocols in place for at least a week, or in most cases, weeks. This is not something that was thrown together quickly, so obviously RG has made contingency plans and has been very clear that they will leave the county to do what they need to do. Realizing that an entity like CU football is pretty massive in scale and realizing that these protocols really don't deter what they are going to do is really not making a smart public health decision.
 
I'll try this again. I do not care if CU plays this year. In fact, I prefer that the public not be exposed to the current state of the program by seeing this team take the field in 2020.

But shutting down society for a virus that has a statistically negligible impact on anyone under the age of 60 who is otherwise healthy is insanity. Progressive insanity.
Poor understanding of public health. Why do those in charge (thankfully) disagree with you?
 
I agree, but does there not need to be a test of reasonableness? Per the above comment I made, Boulder County is incredibly arrogant (and there are stories that defy reality with some of the corrupt things they have done over the years). Now they are telling the CU AD that daily rapid testing along with a lot of other safety measures is not sufficient to allow them to practice? GMAFB, Daily rapid testing has been the goal to allow normal activity since day one. It's not like these kids won't be quarantined when they are not practicing, the stay at home order will still stand for them during that time. No, this is Boulder County seizing an opportunity to prove that it wields power, pure and simple.

So if our AD has special access to technology and resources that make it safe enough for these guys to practice in CA, OR, WA, but not CO. Is that reasonable? Or should CU tell the county to kick rocks, and rely on the fact that everyone else in the conference is doing it safely (under the same parameters), as their potential defense if there were to ever be a lawsuit like you mention
Honestly Boulder County has bigger things to worry about than CU football.

If the AD has it's act together they have been in regular contact with BCHE (Boulder County Health and Environment) and the details of the plans have already be sent over which will be reviewed leading to an announcement in the next couple business days that athletics at CU is exempted as long as they certify that they are meeting all points on the submitted plan.

Now are there individual officials in county government who would gladly take advantage of an opportunity to remind everyone that they have a title and an office? Certainly, but they aren't going to risk that status in a pushing match with the single most important economic entity in the county.

In the county I live in a couple month ago we had a big-time pissing match between public health and the sheriffs office over authority around the governors orders for restaurants dining in. Once the Sheriff was able to remind everyone he had a badge and the health department reminded everyone that they could close down a restaurant if it came down to it and the state would back them with state LE it all blew over.

Unfortunately politics do play a part but in this situation the threat that is being addressed is real. BCHE is looking at a huge number of new cases and limited medical resources and taking action. Things like football practice are a long way down the list of considerations in a situation like this.
 
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