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USC fires Clay Helton
- Thread starter Jens1893
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Yeah, the buzz on the freshman from Utah has been pretty strong.
I think what he offers them is a coaching attitude that USC has been missing pretty much since they let Orgeron go.
His teams punch you in the face - which, interestingly is an attitude that Oregon also lacked until he got there.
USC recruits itself. They need a real teacher familiar with SoCal. Perfect fit
Whomever they hire, that team needs an identity, especially on offense.
As @onealcd has pointed out often, going to the Air Raid under Helton made no sense.
He has come tantalizingly close to winning the B1G a couple times. It’s not out of the question. He could win both a conference title and a natty at Penn St. have to get through OSU to do it, but so does everybody else.
Yeah but does he still have a house in SoCal?
My mistake. He actually did win the B1G in 2016 and lost to tOSU by 1 in 2017 that may have ultimately sent them to the B1G CG.
Still not sure he will ever have them on the same level as Alabama, Georgia, Clemson, or consistently tOSU. I think he could do that fairly quickly at USC and he has a much easier route the conference championship and playoff
Pete Carroll was an amazing recruiter and concededly their last really good coach
Could have been a good starter job before taking the CU job down the line.
Not that Dabo is poachable, but is Clemson one of the top 3-4 football programs in the country? Has Dabo really turned that program into one of the elite blue bloods? Maybe yes, but they hadn’t won a conference title in 20 years prior to Dabo. Prior to Dabo was Clemson any more of a program than CU?
Im not a Clemson expert, but they seem like nouveau riche to me.
dabo and clemson are a perfect fit. i wouldn't say they are top 5 historically, but i have a hard time seeing how he could be extricated to go to usc.
note that i didn't put brian kelly from nd on the list of untouchables and nd is certainly a top 5 historically. i don't think he is a usc fit, but reports say kelly is frustrated he can't admit the same guys as alabama, uga, clemson, and ohio state. usc will get guys in that they want.
MM?
I think poor recruiting was the main knock on Helton from USC fans.
Historical success should be less and less of a factor in determining blue blood status in today’s CFB. Nebraska, Michigan and Texas are three examples (I acknowledge UM and UT are clearly on a much higher level than Nebraska). USC is in that same category at the moment, but I do think them and Texas have the ability to reach blue blood status again, while Michigan probably doesn’t and Nebraska certainly doesn’t.
The PSU he stepped into was a much bigger **** show.
Mick Ronson
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no doubt. however, i went to Vanderbilt for a year before family issues brought me back to Colorado...
i've stayed in touch with my Vandy peeps over the years and they, to a person, thought Franklin was a scum bag and while he took Vandy to a bowl game.....they were not crushed when he left.
perfect fit for USC. i was utterly surprised when he got the PSU job.
maybe he can coach the Trojan hoops team, buncha those guys got them on probation as well.
anyway, so it goes.
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Mick Ronson
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and plus, Danny Ford's Clemson team is famous for beating the sansabelts Bugeaters.....in classic sansabelt time.
SerenityBuff
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No. Recruiting was good. He had classes that ranked 10th, 4th, 4th, 20th, and 7th nationally (with one crappy year in 2020). But his teams had zero identity and zero discipline. The air raid at USC? Horrible special teams and OLine play along with massively stupid penalties every game. No player development. Helton had a ton of deficiencies but recruiting wasn't really one of them. He was a CUSA coach at the premier program in the west.
Part of the problem. They are not landing as many elite guys as they should, especially in So Cal.
The fan complaints I heard the most was USC missing out on elite prospects.
I'm not saying the QBs USC have are bad, but Bryce Young, DJ Uiagalelei, CJ Stroud and JT Daniels (yes, I know he transferred from SC) kind of sum up SC recruiting.
SerenityBuff
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They definitely lost their share to Oregon and southern programs coming in to poach. But they got their share, like JT Daniels, too, which Helton screwed up. To be fair, if I was an elite prospect, I wouldn't want to play for Helton either.
Kayvon Thibodeaux
Najee Harris
Justin Flowe
Henry To'o To'o
Those are the types of California players they're missing on.
Oh yeah. Issues after he left Vandy with NCAA plus his coach hiring philosophy (meet the wife because if she's attractive then he can recruit). Not exactly a great cultural fit at Vandy. Perfect for USC.
The issue went beyond missing some top california guys though, he was clearly underperforming his talent level that was being brought in to go along with that. Word started to get out of the program that he was a ****ty coach and that turned local guys away from them.