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USC fires Clay Helton

I don't believe Bieniemy is ready to be a head coach and think he knows that. He is comfortable where he is, making a good living and has a QB making him look really good.
 
This thread’s already 14 pages and I’ve read it all but I can’t recall if this was brought up. It probably was.
But if Bohn was ready to pull the trigger after one bad loss (which has happened without fail every year Helton has been there save one), why not just fire him during the off season and give this team a chance to do something. They are very talent heavy as always but this year could have been special. That is a pretty egregious error by Bohn. Unless he didn’t make this call to fire him as some have suggested though I don’t think that’s the case
 
This thread’s already 14 pages and I’ve read it all but I can’t recall if this was brought up. It probably was.
But if Bohn was ready to pull the trigger after one bad loss (which has happened without fail every year Helton has been there save one), why not just fire him during the off season and give this team a chance to do something. They are very talent heavy as always but this year could have been special. That alone is a bad play by Bohn.

6-0 (maybe 5-1) looked like a slam dunk.
 
This thread’s already 14 pages and I’ve read it all but I can’t recall if this was brought up. It probably was.
But if Bohn was ready to pull the trigger after one bad loss (which has happened without fail every year Helton has been there save one), why not just fire him during the off season and give this team a chance to do something. They are very talent heavy as always but this year could have been special. That is a pretty egregious error by Bohn. Unless he didn’t make this call to fire him as some have suggested though I don’t think that’s the case
Probably because Bohn knows that they need to get rid of him, but if the team has a decent season, there will be arguments that he should stay, so cut him now to avoid that argument
 
Probably because Bohn knows that they need to get rid of him, but if the team has a decent season, there will be arguments that he should stay, so cut him now to avoid that argument
this is basically how Clay has survived this long.
 
This thread’s already 14 pages and I’ve read it all but I can’t recall if this was brought up. It probably was.
But if Bohn was ready to pull the trigger after one bad loss (which has happened without fail every year Helton has been there save one), why not just fire him during the off season and give this team a chance to do something. They are very talent heavy as always but this year could have been special. That is a pretty egregious error by Bohn. Unless he didn’t make this call to fire him as some have suggested though I don’t think that’s the case

Because Bohn doesn’t make those decisions, he is told what to do by Carol Folt the school president. She is an outsider brought in to clean up the latest scandels and she is late to the party in understanding the importance of football at USC.
 
Because Bohn doesn’t make those decisions, he is told what to do by Carol Folt the school president. She is an outsider brought in to clean up the latest scandels and she is late to the party in understanding the importance of football at USC.
I still remained convinced that in the past few weeks some donors closed their wallets for some non football related projects and let it be known that they would continue to evaluate those projects for the same amount of time that Bohn spent evaluating Helton.

Actually more likely is that she assured several big fish that the team would do well this year, and she gave Bohn marching orders as soon as she realized that wasn't happening. 'I told them we'd fix this - go fix it damnit!"

"Yes ma'am, right away ma'am. Go Trojans!"
 
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Why fire Helton and then hire Del Rio?

Two reasons-Their AD. Bohn's track record tells me he's not the kind of guy to take a huge swing at somebody like James Franklin. Second, that school's hiring pattern. Their last three coaching hires all had USC connections-Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, and Clay Helton.

Would it shock me if they got a Franklin? No. Am I expecting that kind of hire from USC given Mike Bohn and their history? No.
 
Two reasons-Their AD. Bohn's track record tells me he's not the kind of guy to take a huge swing at somebody like James Franklin. Second, that school's hiring pattern. Their last three coaching hires all had USC connections-Lane Kiffin, Steve Sarkisian, and Clay Helton.

Would it shock me if they got a Franklin? No. Am I expecting that kind of hire from USC given Mike Bohn and their history? No.
i strongly suspect that you will be wrong. it won't be someone with usc connections. it will be a huge name getting top dollar. imho.
 
i strongly suspect that you will be wrong. it won't be someone with usc connections. it will be a huge name getting top dollar. imho.
I just can't wait for half a dozen coaches to get raises by leveraging the U$C opening.
 
Because Bohn doesn’t make those decisions, he is told what to do by Carol Folt the school president. She is an outsider brought in to clean up the latest scandels and she is late to the party in understanding the importance of football at USC.
We all talk about USC needing to be good for the sake of the conference. But what if this is their “CU 2005/Nebraska 2001?” I say ****’em.
 
i strongly suspect that you will be wrong. it won't be someone with usc connections. it will be a huge name getting top dollar. imho.
I could be way off here; I agree that it will be a big name. But I don’t think it’s going to be someone who is currently successful in their present position. This is a re-build of sorts, so I just don’t see a current Top-10ish Blue Blood type of coach leaving their job for this. If USC was successful and the coach was stepping down (a la Pete Carol), then yes, everyone and their mother scrambling for USC. I don’t see that as the case now.
 
Penn State is a good job but he’ll never win the B1G there, let alone the Natty.
I don’t disagree (well maybe a little, this particular year could set up nice for him), but he’s got caché right now and could go somewhere he doesn’t have to “re-build”…both on-field success and brand image. But like I said….
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I don’t disagree (well maybe a little, this particular year could set up nice for him), but he’s got caché right now and could go somewhere he doesn’t have to “re-build”…both on-field success and brand image. But like I said….
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USC isn’t some total rebuild though. The right coach will be competing for the Pac 12 Championship next year
 
USC isn’t some total rebuild though. The right coach will be competing for the Pac 12 Championship next year
With what QB??? You think Slovis is gonna stick around for this Circus?

Has he learned nothing from watching his U$C predecessors bomb in the League (at least monetarily) from hanging around a year too long???
You'd think Matt Barkely could take time off his job at the Car Wash, to talk with him???
 
USC isn’t some total rebuild though. The right coach will be competing for the Pac 12 Championship next year
Yeah, we are talking about a team that finished 7th, 20th (two 5 star transfers that came in by the end of their first semester after enrolling early at Florida and Texas too) and 4th within the last 4 years. That was a bad class in 2020 but still, there is a lot of talent there to work with and any buzz what so ever with the coaching hire will pull in a too 5 class.
 
With what QB??? You think Slovis is gonna stick around for this Circus?

Has he learned nothing from watching his U$C predecessors bomb in the League (at least monetarily) from hanging around a year too long???
You'd think Matt Barkely could take time off his job at the Car Wash, to talk with him???

USC has two freshman QBs that where rated in the top 10 last class. They have top 10 QBs rolling in every year. Don’t think that because CU hasn’t had a blue chip QB since 1996 that USC has the same problem.

Matt Barkley is still playing in the NFL. He is collecting an NFL paycheck from the Buffalo Bills eight years after entering th NFL.
 
I find this interesting. I feel as though our narrative on Allbuffs has been that Cristobal's strength as a recruiter, but not necessarily as coach (though that was a hell of a game on Saturday). I don't sense that USC needs a recruiter so much as a coach.
In my semi-educated opinion on USC football, that program will recruit itself to a certain point, but in order to consistently recruit at the level it takes to compete with the top 3-4 programs in the country, they need be better, particularly on the OL/DL, which is what Cristobal is known for and has done at Oregon to get them to where they are this year.

They definitely need a “coach” as well, but that’s a job that shouldn’t have to choose one over the other.

Edit: As we’ve kind of agreed about, though, I’m not a fan of this conference eating it’s own. Would be best if both Oregon and USC were elite programs.
 
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