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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

i am pretty sure we've lost the thread, again.

**** THE BIG12 to hell and back.

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Had it good when we didn’t have to hear or think about these clowns. I saw a thread on Twitter where one of them was talking about Nebraska voluntarily going back to the B12 if we joined. That’s the level of stupidity we’re dealing with.
 
I can’t tell you about the inner workings of TV contracts, my man, but you are free to Google search the B1G adding Rutgers and Maryland to see what we’re talking about. You can also look at the USC and UCLA additions and the estimates that B1G Network subscriptions earned the conference/FOX (they own about 61%) about $.10/household before they joined, and it’s now expected to earn $1.50/household.

Maybe the disconnect is that Rutgers is in NJ and you don’t understand why they would get NYC households? If so, it’s because they consider it all one TV market.

I've found zero sources saying the Big Ten is actually getting in-market carriage rates for NYC.

There seems to be only one county in the entire state of New York (Rockland County, where they're 3rd) where Rutgers is among the 5 most popular CFB teams. Even in NJ, Rutgers usually only attracts about 25% of CFB fans.

If the Big Ten demanded the same carriage rates in NYC that they do in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the cable networks would laugh at them.
 
I've found zero sources saying the Big Ten is actually getting in-market carriage rates for NYC.

There seems to be only one county in the entire state of New York (Rockland County, where they're 3rd) where Rutgers is among the 5 most popular CFB teams. Even in NJ, Rutgers usually only attracts about 25% of CFB fans.

If the Big Ten demanded the same carriage rates in NYC that they do in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the cable networks would laugh at them.
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If I had to pick a day when something goes down, it’s tomorrow. Have a feeling Pac-12 announces the media rights deal. Based on absolutely nothing other than a hunch. ESPN announced our spring game will be nationally televised. Coincidence? Maybe. Maybe not. Even the Dodd tweet wasn’t inspired. And it’s been “2-3 weeks” since the OSU president and ASU AD went public with their prediction.
 
I've found zero sources saying the Big Ten is actually getting in-market carriage rates for NYC.

There seems to be only one county in the entire state of New York (Rockland County, where they're 3rd) where Rutgers is among the 5 most popular CFB teams. Even in NJ, Rutgers usually only attracts about 25% of CFB fans.

If the Big Ten demanded the same carriage rates in NYC that they do in Ann Arbor, Michigan, the cable networks would laugh at them.



From 2014…

When the Big Ten added Rutgers and Maryland, the college sports world scratched their collective heads.

And in this case, the Big Ten’s money would come from getting Big Ten Network on cable providers in New York City and elsewhere along the east coast.

At last check, the channel charges a $1.00 fee per subscriber per month for those customers within the conference footprint, which NY/NJ now falls into thanks to Rutgers. Much like the “Is Andy Murray British or Scottish debate,” New Jersey gets to be a part of the NYC metropolitan area seemingly only when it’s convenient to someone looking to make money.

Cablevision has 3.1 million subscribers in the area. Time Warner has a little more than 2.6 million subscribers in New York state, many of them concentrated in the city. New Jersey has a fraction of that at just over 40,000. Let’s just be extra conservative and put the total number of subscribers that will now get BTN at 4 million.

Just from this deal alone, the Big Ten just pocketed an extra $48 million per year. And that’s just from one carriage agreement in New York City. Let’s not forget Baltimore, Philadelphia, Washington DC, and the rest of the I-95 corridor that BTN will look to expand into.



There are about 6 million California cable TV subscribers that will probably see their BTN fee increase because they are now inside the Conference footprint and garners the higher carriage fee.

 


From 2014…

When the Big Ten added Rutgers and Maryland, the college sports world scratched their collective heads.

And in this case, the Big Ten’s money would come from getting Big Ten Network on cable providers in New York City and elsewhere along the east coast.

At last check, the channel charges a $1.00 fee per subscriber per month for those customers within the conference footprint, which NY/NJ now falls into thanks to Rutgers. Much like the “Is Andy Murray British or Scottish debate,” New Jersey gets to be a part of the NYC metropolitan area seemingly only when it’s convenient to someone looking to make money.

Cablevision has 3.1 million subscribers in the area. Time Warner has a little more than 2.6 million subscribers in New York state, many of them concentrated in the city. New Jersey has a fraction of that at just over 40,000. Let’s just be extra conservative and put the total number of subscribers that will now get BTN at 4 million.

Just from this deal alone, the Big Ten just pocketed an extra $48 million per year. And that’s just from one carriage agreement in New York City. Let’s not forget Baltimore, Philadelphia, Washington DC, and the rest of the I-95 corridor that BTN will look to expand into.



There are about 6 million California cable TV subscribers that will probably see their BTN fee increase because they are now inside the Conference footprint and garners the higher carriage fee.


Lol.

for real, though. I don't understand why the B1G didn't just slip it into the contract renewal paperwork that "All NY Households are now considered 'in footprint' and as a result you owe us millions of more dollars," instead of adding Rutgers.

are we sure these 'sources' of yours are legit?

Besides those two and dozens of other sources, I can't find a single source that lists that B1G is getting "in footprint" rates for NY households.
 
how long must this wander through the desert of conference uncertainty go on?

we have PRIME winning to do around here.

also, did i mention? **** the bi12. they will be there if and when we need them.

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how long must this wander through the desert of conference uncertainty go on?

we have PRIME winning to do around here.

also, did i mention? **** the bi12. they will be there if and when we need them.

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This is what gets me. People think we hired Prime to… go to the B12??

They would have taken us with Karl Dorrell. They would have taken us with Maureen Dorrell and I don’t even know if that’s a real person.
 
This is what gets me. People think we hired Prime to… go to the B12??

They would have taken us with Karl Dorrell. They would have taken us with Maureen Dorrell and I don’t even know if that’s a real person.
Listen, I love Prime and all this national attention sure is fun, but the reality is that the average FBS coaching tenure is less than 4 years - conference realignment is not going to be determined by who a school’s coach is at any given time.
 
Listen, I love Prime and all this national attention sure is fun, but the reality is that the average FBS coaching tenure is less than 4 years - conference realignment is not going to be determined by who a school’s coach is at any given time.
I look at it as it’s a signal we’re willing to play ball now. We’re paying him $6M. He leaves, ok we pay the next guy $6-8M. If we actually pay up and keep the transfer thing going we’re going to be fine after he leaves.
 
I look at it as it’s a signal we’re willing to play ball now. We’re paying him $6M. He leaves, ok we pay the next guy $6-8M. If we actually pay up and keep the transfer thing going we’re going to be fine after he leaves.
If you believe the resources that helped land Prime will still be there for the next guy then maybe, I’m skeptical that there’s anyone else out there that will draw the same levels of support. And keeping this transfer thing going is almost certainly impossible at least at its current level. This success is largely driven by the force of Prime’s popularity and personality.

I hope you’re right, but this feels a bit like a once in a lifetime ride that I’ll enjoy as long as it lasts.
 
If you believe the resources that helped land Prime will still be there for the next guy then maybe, I’m skeptical that there’s anyone else out there that will draw the same levels of support. And keeping this transfer thing going is almost certainly impossible at least at its current level. This success is largely driven by the force of Prime’s popularity and personality.

I hope you’re right, but this feels a bit like a once in a lifetime ride that I’ll enjoy as long as it lasts.
We’d all be lying to ourselves if we didn’t contemplate what if this is temporary and we slide back post-Prime. It’s all dependent on the president, chancellor, regents and AD. Those positions are fluid so it could regress. Here’s what I hope happens.

Prime lights the fire. We win on a massive scale. Academics and university profile skyrockets. Empirical evidence is created than equates football success and brand recognition with a spike and constant up and to the right lift in admissions. Virtuous cycle continues in perpetuity.
 
If you believe the resources that helped land Prime will still be there for the next guy then maybe, I’m skeptical that there’s anyone else out there that will draw the same levels of support. And keeping this transfer thing going is almost certainly impossible at least at its current level. This success is largely driven by the force of Prime’s popularity and personality.

I hope you’re right, but this feels a bit like a once in a lifetime ride that I’ll enjoy as long as it lasts.
Seems odd for Sailman to completely reverse course on everything above but it is CU.
 
If you believe the resources that helped land Prime will still be there for the next guy then maybe, I’m skeptical that there’s anyone else out there that will draw the same levels of support. And keeping this transfer thing going is almost certainly impossible at least at its current level. This success is largely driven by the force of Prime’s popularity and personality.

I hope you’re right, but this feels a bit like a once in a lifetime ride that I’ll enjoy as long as it lasts.
I 100% expect the same University support and resources to still be there for the next coach. What I don't expect is that guy to have the same success in the portal, same success recruiting high school kids, the same outside revenue sources that is very much Prime-specific, etc, but damn right I expect the University to continue its support of football going forward, as long as Todd Saliman is in charge.
 
To be clear on the recruiting comment, I think CU can be a top 20-25 recruiting team year in, year out in the post-Prime era with the right guy, and the right staff, just like most other P5 programs that truly want it. I just think Prime takes CU's recruiting ceiling into the top 5 if he stays here and wins quickly.
 
I 100% expect the same University support and resources to still be there for the next coach. What I don't expect is that guy to have the same success in the portal, same success recruiting high school kids, the same outside revenue sources that is very much Prime-specific, etc, but damn right I expect the University to continue its support of football going forward, as long as Todd Saliman is in charge.
When I check out his Twitter profile, it’s obvious the guy loves sports. All of his likes are CU sports related.

No indication on any conference preference. He does follow the Utah president although that doesn’t tell us anything other than they’re best buds, clearly.
 
I 100% expect the same University support and resources to still be there for the next coach. What I don't expect is that guy to have the same success in the portal, same success recruiting high school kids, the same outside revenue sources that is very much Prime-specific, etc, but damn right I expect the University to continue its support of football going forward, as long as Todd Saliman is in charge.
Those Prime specific outside revenues will have a direct impact on money available to the program and I don’t expect donor money to match what I suspect the excitement of Prime is helping to bring in.
 
Those Prime specific outside revenues will have a direct impact on money available to the program and I don’t expect donor money to match what I suspect the excitement of Prime is helping to bring in.
Donations will sustain so long as the school shows they are actually investing in football.

In other words, Saliman has the commitment to football that hasn't been seen since Gee. Donations dried up because of the complete lack of institutional desire.
 
The University has plenty of money to compete at a high level
The University may, but I’m not sure the AD does. This is so much fun right now, but I doubt we’re selling 35,000 tickets to a spring game for a non-Prime coached team. Donors are excited and engaged and season tickets are hard to get right now and while I hope you’re right that we suddenly flipped a switch with how the school and its supporters fund this program, I remain skeptical that this level can be sustained post Prime. For now it’s a hell of a lot of fun though.
 
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