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CU has rejoined the Big 12 and broken college football - talking out asses continues

ahoelsken said:
I don't understand why the Big 12 would pass on a four corners school not named Utah because of the presence of BYU in that league already.
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I mean, the ASU poster said Washington and Oregon were deep in talks with the B1G to join at a 50% payout… for 10 years… which makes absolutely zero sense.

He also said CU doesn’t want to go to the Big 12, but Prime is forcing the University’s hand, which is also extremely far fetched.

His postings are mostly incoherent ramblings.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
They were added to the B1G because the cable providers had to pay the B1G 3-4x more for every cable household in the NYC area.
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Couldn’t the cable companies in NYC have just refused to raise the carriage rate? I mean, seriously what if the Big Ten had invited Stony Brook- do you seriously think any cable company would have added carriage fees in NYC because of them.


The Rutgers invite would have only made money if the NYC cable companies were as dumb as the Big Ten was as dumb as the cable companies and thought that Rutgers actually had fans in NYC.
 
Buff5 said:
Couldn’t the cable companies in NYC have just refused to raise the carriage rate? I mean, seriously what if the Big Ten had invited Stony Brook- do you seriously think any cable company would have added carriage fees in NYC because of them.


The Rutgers invite would have only made money if the NYC cable companies were as dumb as the Big Ten was as dumb as the cable companies and thought that Rutgers actually had fans in NYC.
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You think the cable companies have a choice? It’s a contractual agreement with the networks to raise carriage fees in these scenarios.
 
Darian3Hagan said:
That guy will do anything for tickets.
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The Alabaster Yak said:
You think the cable companies have a choice? It’s a contractual agreement with the networks to raise carriage fees in these scenarios.
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Even if that's true, the cable companies could just rewrite the contracts when the contracts expired about three years later.

So the Big Ten invites Rutgers for 100 years just because they could profit off of Rutgers for three years. Hardly seems wise to me.
 
Buff5 said:
Even if that's true, the cable companies could just rewrite the contracts when the contracts expired about three years later.

So the Big Ten invites Rutgers for 100 years just because they could profit off of Rutgers for three years. Hardly seems wise to me.
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Dude. The distributors are contracting with the networks, not the conferences. The networks are then contracting with conferences. I don’t know what else to tell you, but that’s how it works w/r/t carriage fees in footprint and out of foot print
 
Buff5 said:
Even if that's true, the cable companies could just rewrite the contracts when the contracts expired about three years later.

So the Big Ten invites Rutgers for 100 years just because they could profit off of Rutgers for three years. Hardly seems wise to me.
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We need a CU-Boston campus. That’ll get us in.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
Dude. The distributors are contracting with the networks, not the conferences. The networks are then contracting with conferences. I don’t know what else to tell you, but that’s how it works w/r/t carriage fees in footprint and out of foot print
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Even if the BTN contracts in 2012 said that the distributors had to pay in market rates for NYC once Rutgers was invited to the Big 10, the distributors could have just rewritten the contracts in something like 2015 (or whenever the contracts expired) so that NYC wasn't considered in market anymore.

Seriously, there are probably about as many Colorado Buffalo fans in NYC as there are Rutgers Scarlet Knight fans. Even if there was some loophole the BTN could exploit in 2012 because the cable networks hadn't really thought of the possibility that Rutgers would be invited to the conference, the cable companies almost certainly closed that loophole in 2015. (Or whenever the contracts expired.) All the cable networks had to do in 2015 was rewrite the contracts so that only areas actually in Big Ten states are considered in market. (Not areas like NYC that are merely adjacent to Big Ten states.)
 
Buff5 said:
Even if the BTN contracts in 2012 said that the distributors had to pay in market rates for NYC once Rutgers was invited to the Big 10, the distributors could have just rewritten the contracts in something like 2015 (or whenever the contracts expired) so that NYC wasn't considered in market anymore.

Seriously, there are probably about as many Colorado Buffalo fans in NYC as there are Rutgers Scarlet Knight fans. Even if there was some loophole the BTN could exploit in 2012 because the cable networks hadn't really thought of the possibility that Rutgers would be invited to the conference, the cable companies almost certainly closed that loophole in 2015. (Or whenever the contracts expired.) All the cable networks had to do in 2015 was rewrite the contracts so that only areas actually in Big Ten states are considered in market. (Not areas like NYC that are merely adjacent to Big Ten states.)
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Ah yes. I wonder why they didn’t just do that? Seems easier than adding Rutgers.


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Buff5 said:
Even if the BTN contracts in 2012 said that the distributors had to pay in market rates for NYC once Rutgers was invited to the Big 10, the distributors could have just rewritten the contracts in something like 2015 (or whenever the contracts expired) so that NYC wasn't considered in market anymore.

Seriously, there are probably about as many Colorado Buffalo fans in NYC as there are Rutgers Scarlet Knight fans. Even if there was some loophole the BTN could exploit in 2012 because the cable networks hadn't really thought of the possibility that Rutgers would be invited to the conference, the cable companies almost certainly closed that loophole in 2015. (Or whenever the contracts expired.) All the cable networks had to do in 2015 was rewrite the contracts so that only areas actually in Big Ten states are considered in market. (Not areas like NYC that are merely adjacent to Big Ten states.)
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I can’t tell you about the inner workings of TV contracts, my man, but you are free to Google search the B1G adding Rutgers and Maryland to see what we’re talking about. You can also look at the USC and UCLA additions and the estimates that B1G Network subscriptions earned the conference/FOX (they own about 61%) about $.10/household before they joined, and it’s now expected to earn $1.50/household.

Maybe the disconnect is that Rutgers is in NJ and you don’t understand why they would get NYC households? If so, it’s because they consider it all one TV market.
 
The Alabaster Yak said:
I can’t tell you about the inner workings of TV contracts, my man, but you are free to Google search the B1G adding Rutgers and Maryland to see what we’re talking about. You can also look at the USC and UCLA additions and the estimates that B1G Network subscriptions earned the conference/FOX (they own about 61%) about $.10/household before they joined, and it’s now expected to earn $1.50/household.

Maybe the disconnect is that Rutgers is in NJ and you don’t understand why they would get NYC households? If so, it’s because they consider it all one TV market.
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All I've really been able to find is this 2012 espn.com article saying that the Big Ten was hoping that Rutgers would be enough to get NYC to be considered in market. I've seen nothing saying that the BTN actually succeeded in getting market rates in NYC. (And TBH I suspect the Big Ten would probably publicize it if NYC was considered in market.)

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Does Rutgers really bring in NYC market?

When word started circulating that Rutgers might be the 14th team in the Big Ten, many in the sports business world were baffled. The thinking is that, due to its proximity to New York City, Rutgers could give the Big Ten and its television network a stronghold in the nation's top market.
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What would seriously prevent the cable companies from siphoning off NYC from NJ and not consider NYC to be in market for the BTN? Neilsen's Designated TV market areas (which do put most of NJ in the NYC TV market) are actually for broadcast TV- Nielsen markets are almost completely irrelevant for cable companies.
 
Buff5 said:
All I've really been able to find is this 2012 espn.com article saying that the Big Ten was hoping that Rutgers would be enough to get NYC to be considered in market. I've seen nothing saying that the BTN actually succeeded in getting market rates in NYC. (And TBH I suspect the Big Ten would probably publicize it if NYC was considered in market.)

www.espn.com

Does Rutgers really bring in NYC market?

When word started circulating that Rutgers might be the 14th team in the Big Ten, many in the sports business world were baffled. The thinking is that, due to its proximity to New York City, Rutgers could give the Big Ten and its television network a stronghold in the nation's top market.
www.espn.com www.espn.com

What would seriously prevent the cable companies from siphoning off NYC from NJ and not consider NYC to be in market for the BTN? Neilsen's Designated TV market areas (which do put most of NJ in the NYC TV market) are actually for broadcast TV- Nielsen markets are almost completely irrelevant for cable companies.
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