BuffLuke80
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Isn't Flacco like 39 or 40?
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Shedeur Sanders - 2023-25 Tracking History Thread - Drafted by the Cleveland Browns (NFL)
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And Mahomes, Allen and Lamar Jackson. Most QBs pat the ball. It’s a non-issue
Medford M.
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They really don’t, though.
Here’s 50 pass TDs from Brady. I only watched the first 25.
Only 4 ball pats, and they were all on deep throws.
Medford M.
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Here’s Manning…I don’t see any ball pats.
Admittedly, some of these throws, the first part of the play is cut off.
The issue is Shedeur does it EVERY THROW.
Admittedly, some of these throws, the first part of the play is cut off.
The issue is Shedeur does it EVERY THROW.
Manning has the ball squeezed between both hands and does a shoulder rotation, but not a pat
Every time I hear hot takes about pros from people that were likely cut from their middle school teams, I just roll my eyes. It's like a golf instructor that was insistent that my daughter must keep her front foot down while driving. He thought no good golfer ever lifted their front foot.
Imagine spending your time finding YouTube videos questionably tearing apart the best QB to ever play for CU. Wonder why someone who is a cu fan would do that?
Medford M.
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I’ll nitpick anyone from any team for any reason.
I think it’s stranger that anyone would do nothing but praise someone just because size they played for their favorite team.
Shedeur ain’t special just because I’m a CU fan
And with some players you have to nitpick.
Shedeur doesn’t have any obvious, game breaking weaknesses…so you have to point out things like his 100% ball pat or not always throwing guys open, not navigating the pocket well (which I think was partially due to the line being so bad his first year, that he didn’t trust it when the line gave him a good pocket this last season)
His arm is above average, his accuracy is elite+. His mobility is functional
I’ll nitpick anyone from any team for any reason.
I think it’s stranger that anyone would do nothing but praise someone just because size they played for their favorite team.
Shedeur ain’t special just because I’m a CU fan
And with some players you have to nitpick.
Shedeur doesn’t have any obvious, game breaking weaknesses…so you have to point out things like his 100% ball pat or not always throwing guys open, not navigating the pocket well (which I think was partially due to the line being so bad his first year, that he didn’t trust it when the line gave him a good pocket this last season)
His arm is above average, his accuracy is elite+. His mobility is functional
Most of us have absolutely no issue being honest/critical of players while they are here. Easy example: Steven Montez.
The issue is that from a college perspective, with what he had around him, Shedeur was damn near superhuman. Sure he held the ball too long. But if you put any other QB in the country not named Cam Ward in place of Shedeur this year, I don’t think we win as many games.
The issue is that from a college perspective, with what he had around him, Shedeur was damn near superhuman. Sure he held the ball too long. But if you put any other QB in the country not named Cam Ward in place of Shedeur this year, I don’t think we win as many games.
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Add Cam to that. We saw Cam on better Wazzu offenses and he didn't lead them to many wins at all. In fact, De Laura, Minshew, Metter, and Gordon won more games or as many.
I don't believe most or any QBs would have won as much in this situation with a young inexperienced OL which was one of the worst in P5 football, the worst running game in the FBS and one of the worst TE rooms in the FCS or FBS. All 2 had was WRs and it wasn't like it was LSU with Chase, Marshall, and Jefferson either. As great as Travis was, he only practiced on offense once a week. Basically Travis and Shedeur no shock did a lot of damage on scramble drills as they had the chemistry mentally but when it came to timing routes, Travis was constantly late. Jimmy, LaJohntay, and Sheppard were damn good but we aren't talking day 1 NFL stars at WR like DeVonta Smith and Jaylen Waddle
He had to really deal with fire. I think he doesn't get enough credit for his senior year. I actually think the scouts like his Junior tape better even though he was significantly better as a senior. Some even like the JSU tape better.
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Shedeur held the ball too long, but he was also playing hero ball every game. Hero ball creates lots of mistakes on game film. Is it their natural play? Or is it the situation?
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He played a lot more hero ball as a SR than any of the previous seasons. Was it needed, heck yeah, if he played more hero ball as a Junior, we wouldn't have lost to Stanford and we probably would have beaten Arizona and made the bowl game even if he didn't play in it. At the end of the day, Shedeur was willing to stick in the pocket which he wasn't willing to do as a Jr or Soph and definitely wasn't even moving much as a freshman. He did what he needed to do to keep our offense competitive. We had no threat of a running game. There was no Dylan Edwards that anyone had to gameplan for. There was no Mikey Harrison who wasn't much to write about anyway. They just didn't care about any of our TEs in his Sr year. I don't understand how people lack so much context when it comes to Sanders. To me, it was by far his best year by a mile. Did he have messy tape? hell yeah, but it had to be messy for us to even have a chance. We needed to win. We didn't need him to play up for the NFL. He had his Junior year tape for that.
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It's not bad at all. People are being nitpicky on Sanders. It's just that simple.
The theory is because it’s a habit right before a QB throws the ball which give defenders the obvious signal that he’s about to throw so they can defend it easier.
Keep in mind, especially in the 23 season that as the season went on his defense became terrible.
Conventional wisdom says if you don't have something open dump the ball off, throw it away, or run for what you can get. A punt is better than a negative play.
Problem was that Shedeur was smart enough to know that the Buffs defense wasn't going to stop opponents from scoring very often. He needed to turn every possession into points and hope the opponents offense made a couple mistakes so the Buffs could outscore them.
He also looked like he was playing hero ball because they had no running game, had no short passing game with a TE and/or slot (some of this can be blamed on him) and the best supporting players he had were downfield receivers. With the OL he had very frequently he had pressure before the first stage of the patterns had even developed so he was on the run from the start.
Real question though for him is after playing this way the last two years has it become ingrained as habit or can he easily adjust to the different demands of an NFL offense getting rid of the ball earlier, hitting the shorter patterns, using the RB/TE more frequently, being comfortable standing in the pocket longer instead of the clock in his head telling him "time to move."
The tapping of the football is an issue from somebody looking to get clicks on an article, not a real concern. Even with the tapping Shedeur gets the ball out quickly, accurately, and on time where his receivers can do something with it after the catch. He played in college against multiple DBs who he is going to be seeing in the pros and very few of them could turn the ball tap into INTs or PBUs.
What is a bigger issue is can he overcome his tendency to leave the pocket early and break the play.
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When it comes to QBs with difficult situations, Shedeur Sanders is QB1 for me. His situation in college was insanely difficult. Josh Allen is QB2. Josh Booty at LSU is QB3. Brock Purdy best situation was his freshman year at Iowa State, no shock, it's the best statistical year of his career in college. Mahomes had a below average situation as well.
I think Shedeur is extremely underrated, and like Klatt and Kiper, I think his best football is ahead of him. He's going to be a way better NFL QB than he was in college.
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I think Shedeur is extremely underrated, and like Klatt and Kiper, I think his best football is ahead of him. He's going to be a way better NFL QB than he was in college.
2025 NFL Draft: College-to-pro projections for Colorado QB Shedeur Sanders
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I think that while in some other years he would a bit down the list based strictly on his football skills he was the best QB in this draft. I've seen Ward play multiple times and as a pro prospect I would put Shedeur ahead of him.When it comes to QBs with difficult situations, Shedeur Sanders is QB1 for me. His situation in college was insanely difficult. Josh Allen is QB2. Josh Booty at LSU is QB3. Brock Purdy best situation was his freshman year at Iowa State, no shock, it's the best statistical year of his career in college. Mahomes had a below average situation as well.
I think Shedeur is extremely underrated, and like Klatt and Kiper, I think his best football is ahead of him. He's going to be a way better NFL QB than he was in college.
2025 NFL Draft: College-to-pro projections for Colorado QB Shedeur Sanders
Projecting college football stars to the NFL is never an exact science, but by utilizing PFF grades and advanced data, we can gain a clearer picture of how prospects might transition to the next level. By analyzing performance trends, key metrics, and positional benchmarks, we can identify which...
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I believe he fell because the NFL does not do independent thinking well. A combination of bad interviews and bigger the idea that he would be a disruption, partly because of rumors/ideas about the involvement of his dad caused him to drop and once he started everybody was afraid to be the one that bucked the trend.
He makes NFL throws, he makes NFL style reads, he was successful with a parade of different OCs. I think a lot of NFL GMs are going to have to make uncomfortable admissions (excuses) for not drafting him a leaving their teams without a quality QB.
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I have Shedeur as QB1 and the only blue-chip QB in this class. The other blue chips I had was Jeanty, Hampton, and Hunter who was my top overall prospect. I had a late 1st grade on Cam Ward. I believe when it's all said and done, the NFL will be happy with Cam Ward and he was deserving of being a top 5 pick long term, but they would be ashamed of passing on Shedeur, including CLE. For some reason, as Kiper said, the NFL has to see it to believe it when it comes to pocket passers. Rarely do they give them the benefit of the doubt. I just believe in prototypes, and Shedeur is off the charts as a pocket passer. Cam is the modern style QB everyone loves today. The balanced QB who makes all of the throws effortlessly. A pure talent.
Everyone has their thing, I've seen MJD not even have Hampton in his top 6 RBs, whereas for me. He's a no-brainer.
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People sleeping on Shedeur and the Browns
It's funny, the Browns will be last coming into this year at almost every poll and Shedeur is gonna be seen as ass as well. Two of the biggest mistakes.
I tend to do reviews based on 3 years, age, and talent. The Browns' average PFF grades have been in the 79 range twice and 70. This year, I am projecting an 80 grade if Flacco and Pickett are the starters. If it's Shedeur, my projection goes up to 88 grade. I've been saying this for a while, I believe Shedeur can break 90 as a rookie in the KS scheme if he does well with PAs. That's a critical element of the KS scheme, and it's not something Shedeur has done much of outside of Jackson as an FR. I think Gabriel can have an 80+ grade as well, so both Shedeur and Gabriel can be special rookie QBs.
I think Shedeur is being massively slept on, as well as the Browns. This team is not ass. Their biggest issue was that the KS scheme changed, which killed their OL. Offense and defensive depth got challenged. The RB became unproductive. They added depth in all key areas. This should be an 80+ PFF grade regardless of who's the QB this year. If it's Shedeur, watch out. He may win awards that no one is expecting him to win.
It's funny, the Browns will be last coming into this year at almost every poll and Shedeur is gonna be seen as ass as well. Two of the biggest mistakes.
I tend to do reviews based on 3 years, age, and talent. The Browns' average PFF grades have been in the 79 range twice and 70. This year, I am projecting an 80 grade if Flacco and Pickett are the starters. If it's Shedeur, my projection goes up to 88 grade. I've been saying this for a while, I believe Shedeur can break 90 as a rookie in the KS scheme if he does well with PAs. That's a critical element of the KS scheme, and it's not something Shedeur has done much of outside of Jackson as an FR. I think Gabriel can have an 80+ grade as well, so both Shedeur and Gabriel can be special rookie QBs.
I think Shedeur is being massively slept on, as well as the Browns. This team is not ass. Their biggest issue was that the KS scheme changed, which killed their OL. Offense and defensive depth got challenged. The RB became unproductive. They added depth in all key areas. This should be an 80+ PFF grade regardless of who's the QB this year. If it's Shedeur, watch out. He may win awards that no one is expecting him to win.
Yes, he HAD to play hero ball.
ESPN radio was raving about Shedeur's rookie camp. Said he knocked it out of the park from all aspects. Looked great on the field, showed leadership and built relationships with teammates, was the first to arrive & last to leave practices, and was lights out with his fan & media interactions. Had them asking where thie "entitled" narrative came from because it sure doesn't seem to be the reality of Shedeur.
Weird. So weird. Shocked even! How could a guy that pats the ball do it?